brothermora

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I think DPC just wanted to say the game was going to touch on some issues that some people may react to.

The game does do that:
  • Mental illness (Bella)
  • Coerced prostitution (Mona and Cammy)
  • Bullying (from Chad and the jocks, mc’s flashback)
  • Homophobia (casual stuff from many characters but a strong sense from Patrick’s storyline)
  • Untimely death (mc’s mom, Jill’s sister)
  • Poverty (Neil & mc)
  • Injustice (mc getting detention for defending himself)
  • Anal sex
I mean the above stuff is all pretty tame, but could bring up painful memories or cause distress to some people.

Personally I think the opening warning is more detrimental than good. The game just needs a rating like any other media:

“Contains pornographic scenes, strong course language and mature themes”

That’d cover everything, no need to talk about being in a bad time in your life and all that shit. Plus, Jill voice acting… we didn’t need that either.
Makes sense, thanks for the breakdown.

Like I said, I wasn't worried that I would be offended; but I find the generic warning kind of unhelpful since it doesn't really indicate what you're going to encounter in the story. Mentioning 'the game deals with mental health issues, bullying, ...' is much more informative.
 

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But still, the way she behaved with MC in EP7 would raise some eyebrows for sure if they were seen by anyone.
True, but no more so than Bella allowing MC to post online shots of her in her bikini and shots of making pancakes at her house on a sunday(?) morning, still wearing her nightie. :oops: Then of course you have public dinner dates and the infamous walk of shame in the DIK house after sucking MC dry the previous night. I think Bella has nearly given up trying to hide anything from B&R and general public.
 

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True, but no more so than Bella allowing MC to post online shots of her in her bikini and shots of making pancakes at her house on a sunday(?) morning, still wearing her nightie. :oops: Then of course you have public dinner dates and the infamous walk of shame in the DIK house after sucking MC dry the previous night. I think Bella has nearly given up trying to hide anything from B&R and general public.
It's a good thing she's a librian and not a teacher!
 

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True, but no more so than Bella allowing MC to post online shots of her in her bikini and shots of making pancakes at her house on a sunday(?) morning, still wearing her nightie. :oops: Then of course you have public dinner dates and the infamous walk of shame in the DIK house after sucking MC dry the previous night. I think Bella has nearly given up trying to hide anything from B&R and general public.
True, and yet during their date she also says that the B&R rule book matters, I wonder how DPC's going to proceed with this plotline, the easiest way is to just make it possible for students to date teachers as long as they aren't in the same class, but if he chooses for it to be forbidden then I'm definitely curious and a little bit afraid of what might happen.
 

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True, and yet during their date she also says that the B&R rule book matters, I wonder how DPC's going to proceed with this plotline, the easiest way is to just make it possible for students to date teachers as long as they aren't in the same class, but if he chooses for it to be forbidden then I'm definitely curious and a little bit afraid of what might happen.
Yeah, early on I had to basically shrug and say, meh it's a DPC world, what can you do? Some things make sense and some things don't. I focus more and trying to figure out where DPC is going with certain plotlines rather than lose my mind over inconsistencies in the game world logic.
 

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he could indeed have hired a beta to hack into the dik´s laptop!

but i think the best surprise is that if its bert! Derek and the MC where in his room when the MC with his old phone (as in easyer to crack) and Derek where talking! what if bert was under the covers trying to sleep and heard the conversation?

even if this did not happen if Bert is the hacker Burke works with it still works!

to assume a mole is like a total break of trust and i must side with Jacob there is nothing good coming out of suspecting the people you should trust! if you must confirm please go ahead but never plant the seed of doubt or it will corrode the group from within!
The hacker is Maya. Read the titles of the books on her shelf.:rolleyes::unsure::cool:

Burke's scholarships for sex is a main theme in the story, however most of the girls involved will be on the dik path and Mona only made a brief appearance to dissappear rather soon in the story... Only exception is Maya on the chick path....

And i don't see Quinn really being a reason the expose the scheme, so far her plans were to get even more girls involved...

The other characters seem to be atleast somewhat happy with it so why would we ever try to expose the scheme?

Maya will get that scholarship offered by Burke, but she will need to agree to the same terms the other girls get it...

Her need for that tuition is the only reasons she would ever end up in that scenario.

For the same reason you will not be able to get into a relation with just either Josy or Maya ; if they don't have a relation there is no reason for Maya to even pursue that free tuition....
Stephen Burke will not offer Maya in the presence of Josy, Sage and the MC. The risk is far too great. Besides, Quinn has already given up on the idea of bringing Maya to the restaurant. The risk is too great. :unsure:

If Jade is not involved in the Tuition, the risk with Maya becomes too great for Stephen Burke. Unless he has a Jade MC video.

THEORY:
Tybalt is gay. His homo boyfriend is Rich. Stephen doesn't want it to get out that his son Tybalt is gay. So he needs a woman to act as a beard. His old bearded wife won't go along with it because she doesn't want to have a heterosexual relationship anymore. No, Josy wants a three-way relationship. Tybalt knew about the relationship between Josy and Maya in EP5. He blackmails Jill because he just can't handle women. He wants Jill to be his new beard girl. Another clue is that Josy knows about this beard relationship. What did Josy say? That's a deal, you don't do that to someone unknowingly. Josy also has a funny feeling when she goes to the Burke meeting.:eek::devilish:


I don't see why the MC's actions would effect Maya at all vis a vis the Burke's. Sage didn't approach Maya to help her because she was a friend of MC, she approached her because she was a HOT.
This is not quite correct. That Maya was a HOT is only one part. The MC has actively helped Sage. Through the MC Sage learns what true friendship means. Sage knew since EP3 that Maya and the MC are close friends. When Maya approaches Sage about changing her mother, Quinn herself tells Sage that Maya's head was twisted by a Maggot. In EP7, Sage says that she talked to the MC and Josy, and Sage also tells Maya in EP7 that she can settle a debt along the way. In EP8 before the meeting, Sage says she has her own reasons for helping Maya. :rolleyes:

Given that the mc doesn't even look to be going into the meeting, he may end up being completely unimportant to the deal, but if he goes into the meeting at some point, his relationship with Jade (and Burke's potential knowledge of it) could potentially hijack the meetings.
I have a different feeling about that. I could well imagine that it will be more about the MC than about Maya. Basket Ball could play a big role in that. What the fuck are the Alpha's doing. They train almost exclusively with weights to build muscle. Is that supposed to be a college sport. The Alpha's are anything but a team and Dawe sucks, whether as president or player. Hell Sage is even better than Dawe. She hits him dead on target after all.:unsure:

Did you guys notice Tommy's TShirt at the DIK breakfast from EP7?
NN 28=Conner. Chad's last name is Conner. Don't argue but read Cluck.(y)

What if the MC in EP8 scores more than Chad Conner's 28 point record? In EP8 the MC can give Josy useful tips for trainigg. Personally, I don't want a Buff Josy either. In the EP8 hang out of Josy/Maya/MC, the three of them play water polo. Maya says afterwards that the MC is competitive. What if the MC gets offers to build a women's basketball team? Jade would be thrilled. Sage would be totally happy because that way the HOT's can free themselves from the Alpha tradition. Great girls they have, and Jill might play basketball better than tennis. In Derek's Moose Lounge hang two crucial pictures in EP8. A basketball court and below it a Polaroid picture of Derek in DIK jacket and Maya. I'm sure Jill took that picture.:unsure:

Do you want the MC to put together a coaching team? Heather asks the MC about the best cook. Healthy eating is important. Who knows what Derek's skills are? At least on the EP4 Derek route has a basketball on his shelf. Did Derek play a lot with Maya? By the way, the name Bailey comes up a lot in American college basketball.:unsure::coffee::D

If, Maya could get a sports scholarship.:rolleyes:
 

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Stephen Burke will not offer Maya in the presence of Josy, Sage and the MC. The risk is far too great. Besides, Quinn has already given up on the idea of bringing Maya to the restaurant. The risk is too great.
So far the whole sell your body for a scholarship theme has been running from pretty much the start untill the end of season 2. It would be a total anti-climax if Burke would start playing nice and giving her the scholarship for just making Sage happy.
Ofcourse he's not gonna play fair, he will just say he will look into it and handle the more risky parts away from any observers.
Quinn still isn't friends with Maya, that alone is reason enough besides her involvement with Burke's scheme....
You're talking about risk but the only girl that didn't agree (Mona) has not been seen or heared from since she left...
There's no proof anywhere... The whole situation with Maya serves just that purpose.... eventually you will bring him down...
The other girls just will not talk... ever...
 

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Do you want the MC to put together a coaching team?
dude the MC sets a female baskteball team and all the girls end up pregnant in the next 11 months... my manwhore MC is a total perv imagine him having institucional power as a coach over the girls getting to pick who plays and who does not play? who joins and who does not join the team? ffs those locker rooms better never see a purple light or people might just go blind...


Sometimes the solution can be easier than one could imagine

Buker could pay part of her tuition with a scholarship and he would offer Maya a job at the university and she pays the rest. :ROFLMAO:
after scolding her for being dumb and not understanding contract laws? seems legit, as a cold war beteween Stephen and jade for sage´s affection opens up!

Sage words that her father breaks down when debating feelings still lingers in the back of my mind on what it might mean in regards to Stephen Burke!

perhaps she went to him and was like "daddy, daddy i am no longer a virgin, i went to the hood and fucked 15 black dudes!" i believe that would be enough to make any Wasp dude burn his ears off... please do pay attention 1 african gentleman its no biggie the girl needs to experience life but an entire group on her 1st time? ffs!

and yes i am exagerating and yes i am stereotyping but considering a few of the videos of urban youths in gas stations harassing women ... ffs wtf is that!


She will speak to all the girls about the word of the Lord

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I did this as fast as I could so don't expect anything perfect :ROFLMAO:
herm... wich one is Iscariotes?

Why Judas is Quinn? Pretty sure it's Lily, she's too sus.
technically Judas was a pretty comon name since it was the name of an entire kingdom and stuff... 3 of the apostles 1st name was actually Judas also... thus the question is iscariotes as in his family name!
 

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So far the whole sell your body for a scholarship theme has been running from pretty much the start untill the end of season 2. It would be a total anti-climax if Burke would start playing nice and giving her the scholarship for just making Sage happy.
Ofcourse he's not gonna play fair, he will just say he will look into it and handle the more risky parts away from any observers.
Quinn still isn't friends with Maya, that alone is reason enough besides her involvement with Burke's scheme....
You're talking about risk but the only girl that didn't agree (Mona) has not been seen or heared from since she left...
There's no proof anywhere... The whole situation with Maya serves just that purpose.... eventually you will bring him down...
The other girls just will not talk... ever...
You are presenting this as a fact that the scholarships are only for sex. What if there are also other scholarship possibilities? Besides, there is a difference whether it is a scholarship or a tuition. :rolleyes::rolleyes::unsure:

Tuition=sex with the financier:unsure:
Scholarship=College achievement:unsure:

Mona wanted the tuition. Quinn tested Mona through the restaurant and then Mona failed Burke's test. Maya did not even pass the Quinn test. Stephen Burke is not going to offer Maya a Tuition.:rolleyes:

Guess how Chad got his scholarship (not Tuition)? Sage asked Papa Burke. But Chad is incompetent as president and team captain. He has only brought out 3-4 capable basketball players. B&R should have a team. Chad couldn't get it done. That's why Sage doesn't like to ask her parents for help. She stood up for Chad once and was let down by him several times. :eek::p

Let's take a look at Maya. She graduated her high school magna cume laude. She is athletic, not aggressive. The MC is competitive when playing water ball in EP8. Maybe Maya is a good basketball player. I think to myself that Maya could get a scholarship (not tuition).:rolleyes::cool:
 

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Yes, I've always assumed that interpretation is canon. It was pretty obvious that Bella was talking to thin air and the boss thinks that she has an employee who is slipping into madness. The boss doesn't actually see James during the confrontation and the man sitting outside the library looks on in a confused manner because he can see that Bella is talking to herself. All of that also coincides with future MC's internal monologue about Bella crying in the library.
I can't agree. James was onscreen with the boss for about 30 seconds. The fact that the boss didn't acknowledge him could just as easily be an indication that she's a grumpy, unpleasant person who doesn't like Bella... which is exactly what her 'Holier-Than-Thou-Hilda' nickname suggests! Likewise the man sitting outside the library looks at them because they're having a loud argument right next to him. This isn't inexplicable behavior, it's normal behavior you're reading too much into.

In the end, there's no actual evidence James was a delusion; it's just a guess that can't be disproven at the moment. If Bella had exhibited any signs of that sort of madness in the present day, I'd be more willing to entertain it. But we've seen a lot of contemporary Bella, and she's always been lucid and sane (if obviously troubled). So unless we assume her mental problems were successfully treated between the flashback and the start of the game, there's no reason to doubt James was real in the flashback.


I'd be surprised if Burke actually tried to coerce Maya into some sort of sexual reciprocation for help with her tuition, particularly based on the kind of girl she is, and considering Sage is aware that he is helping her, and if Jade is involved in the meeting.

Obviously he's not going to propose anything slimy in the meeting, that's not what I'm talking about, but the fact that so many people will be involved in knowing Maya's predicament, trying to coerce anything from her (at a later time) once he has found out how desperate she is would be very dangerous for him.

Would Maya confide in anyone (particularly the mc or Sage) if Burke crossed the line? If she did, Burke would be toast.

Also, it's one thing for Jade to know he's unfaithful to her, but to find out he's coerced a girl into sexual favours as repayment for some assistance, I think Jade would cut his balls off.

It's possible Burke could say things to keep Maya silent, but it's just too much of a risk.

I don't think Maya and the prospect of proposing prostitution is likely.

I think there will be a number of factors that play into the scene with the Burkes and Maya, and they will be things like:
  • Does the mc still have a relationship with Jade
  • Did the mc just recently end the relationship with Jade
  • Did Burke see the video footage of the mc and Jade (not sure if the footage he saw actually identified the mc, in the scene where Burke is watching it, we didn't actually see the mc's face)
  • Is the mc in a relationship with Sage
  • Is the mc in a relationship with Maya
  • Did the mc recently end his relationship with Sage
Now all of the above could be relevant, but it's also quite possible the Burkes/Maya solution could be a simple linear plot component that is not influenced by the past at all, but imagine if the mc's past actions actually had any bearing on whether they helped Maya or not. That would be interesting.
I agree Burke would be foolish to try pressuring Maya, but there's reason to believe Burke isn't all that bright. I think mindern has the right overall idea, it's just a question of how best to position the players so the plot will progress on schedule. As I see it, this is going to be a long arc. Season 3 will be about building up tension while Season 4 will be about actually addressing the fundamental problems once and for all.

Given that, it seems like the simplest option will be for Burke to offer to help Maya but say it will take time to set up. This will lead to Maya working as an intern in some companies friendly with Burke (or possibly for Burke directly). That will eventually lead to Burke being in a position to pressure Maya subtly, then more overtly. It will eventually lead to some sort of crisis, which will then be dealt with in Season 4. That's when I expect our heroes will finally put all the pieces together, realize the full scope of Burke's operation, and decide how to deal with it.

In the meantime, we'll get different short-term sequences depending on our choices. If we fooled around with Jade then broke up, we'll get lots of glares and snippy dialog with her. If Stephen has the video of the MC with Jade, he'll be bolder and make lots of veiled references to it. If we bullied Tybalt, we'll get some accusatory dialog from his parents, and probably some scenes with Tybalt as well. If we're on the throuple branch, we'll get to put in a good word for Maya, and maybe have some interaction with Josy on the side. That sort of thing.

In all cases, we'll have plenty of time for Maya to worry about the threat, then worry about being able to be a good intern, then worry about her father finding out too soon, then worry about whatever Burke winds up doing. We'll get the full dose if we're on Maya's path, but I suspect we'll get the highlights no matter what.
 

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I can't agree. James was onscreen with the boss for about 30 seconds. The fact that the boss didn't acknowledge him could just as easily be an indication that she's a grumpy, unpleasant person who doesn't like Bella... which is exactly what her 'Holier-Than-Thou-Hilda' nickname suggests! Likewise the man sitting outside the library looks at them because they're having a loud argument right next to him. This isn't inexplicable behavior, it's normal behavior you're reading too much into.

In the end, there's no actual evidence James was a delusion; it's just a guess that can't be disproven at the moment. If Bella had exhibited any signs of that sort of madness in the present day, I'd be more willing to entertain it. But we've seen a lot of contemporary Bella, and she's always been lucid and sane (if obviously troubled). So unless we assume her mental problems were successfully treated between the flashback and the start of the game, there's no reason to doubt James was real in the flashback.



I agree Burke would be foolish to try pressuring Maya, but there's reason to believe Burke isn't all that bright. I think mindern has the right overall idea, it's just a question of how best to position the players so the plot will progress on schedule. As I see it, this is going to be a long arc. Season 3 will be about building up tension while Season 4 will be about actually addressing the fundamental problems once and for all.

Given that, it seems like the simplest option will be for Burke to offer to help Maya but say it will take time to set up. This will lead to Maya working as an intern in some companies friendly with Burke (or possibly for Burke directly). That will eventually lead to Burke being in a position to pressure Maya subtly, then more overtly. It will eventually lead to some sort of crisis, which will then be dealt with in Season 4. That's when I expect our heroes will finally put all the pieces together, realize the full scope of Burke's operation, and decide how to deal with it.

In the meantime, we'll get different short-term sequences depending on our choices. If we fooled around with Jade then broke up, we'll get lots of glares and snippy dialog with her. If Stephen has the video of the MC with Jade, he'll be bolder and make lots of veiled references to it. If we bullied Tybalt, we'll get some accusatory dialog from his parents, and probably some scenes with Tybalt as well. If we're on the throuple branch, we'll get to put in a good word for Maya, and maybe have some interaction with Josy on the side. That sort of thing.

In all cases, we'll have plenty of time for Maya to worry about the threat, then worry about being able to be a good intern, then worry about her father finding out too soon, then worry about whatever Burke winds up doing. We'll get the full dose if we're on Maya's path, but I suspect we'll get the highlights no matter what.
I would like to give you something to think about. I wonder how many years and pounds are in between?

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You don't get it, do you? Stephen Burke can't pressure Maya without risking discovery. The relationships Maya has already formed are too dangerous for Stephen.:rolleyes:

Your theory could only be true if the Jade/MC video existed, Sage, Jill, Bella, and Josy were involved in the whole Burke operation, and Derek didn't care about Maya at all.:eek::devilish:

Stephen Burke is no fool. After all, he runs a college, even if his professorial title is an honorary one. But he can't get his way with his wife, Jade, when they're alone.:rolleyes:
 

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What if there are also other scholarship possibilities?
Yeah, there are several solutions to Maya's quest for free tuition, Josy breaking up also ends the need for that...
What doesn't change is the fact Burke's scholarships still have Quinn, Camilla, Riona and that other girl victomised...
Burke can just keep running his schemes.... but to what point? it would be useless in the story....
Why would DPC bring only a partly solution to a theme that's been running for 8 episodes?
That's like bringing in legalising cannabis in the state B&R is in and opening a shop next to the college grounds as solution for the Quinn/Tommy/Vinny/Lily storylines...
 

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Yeah, there are several solutions to Maya's quest for free tuition, Josy breaking up also ends the need for that...
What doesn't change is the fact Burke's scholarships still have Quinn, Camilla, Riona and that other girl victomised...
Burke can just keep running his schemes.... but to what point? it would be useless in the story....
Why would DPC bring only a partly solution to a theme that's been running for 8 episodes?
That's like bringing in legalising cannabis in the state B&R is in and opening a shop next to the college grounds as solution for the Quinn/Tommy/Vinny/Lily storylines...
Quinn, Camilla and Riona have tuition. (These are not scholarships)
Tuition=Sex with Burke

Maya has no tuition and won't get any because Burke can't offer it to her without being discovered.

Maya does, however, bring her accomplishments to college. She graduated magna cume laude from high school. She studies and plays sports. A good student through and through. Therefore, the likelihood of Maya receiving a
scholarship is very high.

Scholarship=college performance (studying, sports, etc.).

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Quinn, Camilla and Riona have tuition. (These are not scholarships)
Tuition=Sex with Burke

Maya has no tuition and won't get any because Burke can't offer it to her without being discovered.

Maya does, however, bring her accomplishments to college. She graduated magna cume laude from high school. She studies and plays sports. A good student through and through. Therefore, the likelihood of Maya receiving a
scholarship is very high.

Scholarship=college performance (studying, sports, etc.).

DIK
CHICK
This is murky and largely semantics. The newspaper article indicates Burke is giving girls scholarships in exchange for sexual favours. It can be debated whether a scholarship stops being a scholarship if there is quid pro quo involved but the situation outlined in the newspaper article is local businesses are explicitly setting up scholarships but there are rumours they're getting something in return after the recipients "meet with" the donors. On paper what the girls get is a scholarship... in practice we could argue it isn't a true scholarship since there is quid pro quo involved.
 
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Quinn, Camilla and Riona have tuition. (These are not scholarships)
Tuition is what you need to pay to attend college.
Scholarship is a third party paying your tuition...

The girls have a scholarship paid by some Wallace firm, atleast Mona did when we saw Burke deleting her files.
Calling it "free tuition" doesn't change the situation...
 

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Given that the mc doesn't even look to be going into the meeting, he may end up being completely unimportant to the deal, but if he goes into the meeting at some point, his relationship with Jade (and Burke's potential knowledge of it) could potentially hijack the meetings.

Fuck, that looks too hard to rate all the scenes! I don't even know my favourite one!
Actually I'm not real clear on what DPC intends to do with the meeting, or the whole student loan storyline. What's the point of it to the story? It would have to be either the end of the whole debacle with the Burke's acting as deus ex machina that solve's Maya's problem or it would have to be Stephen trying to exploit Maya. Anything else and I just don't see where he's going with it.
 
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