PashafromRussia

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So about this whole Jill date vs Sage sick thing... let's think it rationally.

Jill: Hi, I am a really insecure girl who is still virgin at 22 years old, wanna go with me to a date?.

MC: No, sorry, but you know there is this friend of mine, a sluty redhead, sex symbol of this college who makes nude topless and is constantly flirting with me, she is asking me to go and take care of her so...

Jill: But... I am being blackmailed couse of you...

MC: Oh yeah, for the party thing? That was the last time the redhead tried to have sex with me... still going with her.

Jill: It's ok MC, I don't mind at all, I will be here ready for whenever you want to date me, in the meantime I will keep covering your ass while you lay in a bed with your friend. See ya.
It's funny that this is said by a fan of Maya. Considering that Maya and Jill are the main examples of poor DPC writing skills.
God! Is it difficult to admit that DPC is a pretty bad screenwriter?
 

Heycock

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It's funny that this is said by a fan of Maya. Considering that Maya and Jill are the main examples of poor DPC writing skills.
God! Is it difficult to admit that DPC is a pretty bad screenwriter?
Why it would be difficult at all?
It's a porn game, the most easy thing in the world is to claim he is a bad writer and pretend i read the Ulises for breakfast. Anyway let's leave the retoric tricks, like that nice straw man, out of the conversation, please.

How you even judge bad writing here?

Jill for example is consistently top voted character. Since the main goal of DPC is to make money, Jill accomplished her function perfectely. It's clear DPC is not writing for the nobel prize so... why would we blame him for achieving his goals?.

And if you wanna go with a different aproach, in defense of some high standard of literature wich is absurd to demand from a porn game... then Maya and Jill are probably the best characters. On top of that, the whole ramble against both of them is anything but a defense of literature high standards, it's the oposite. In a porn male centric game, your complain of girls characters is always for them to not being submisive enough. You call it bad writing but honestely, it's just a porn selfish fantasy, it has more to do with MC's dick not being big enough than with any resemblence of realism.
 

felicemastronzo

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One thing that some people seem to forget is that Jill has been waiting for Sir Galahad to come in, swoop her off her feet and carry her away to Camelot. This rather unrealistic outlook on romance and sex clouds her judgment and prevents her from seeing past whatever flaws (real or imagined) the MC might present to her in a somewhat-other-than-perfect playthrough.
the problem is actually just that

it's not true that you need an almost perfect run (which anyway would be a quite unfounded privilege for one of the 5 LI still in the middle of the game), but you need any run without going to Sage.

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those who will have this choice cannot consider themselves to have had a virtuous path for Jill and yet will have no problems (for now at least)

the scene in the bathroom with Josy about jealousy that seemed so very important, the punch to Tybalt that practically appeared as a tactical suicide for her, have virtually no impact (of course always for now) compared to that single choice.

even if chasing the paradox we had courted both Quinn and Jill, Quinn will step aside and with the right affinity we will have the chance to pop Jill's cherry to crown a not so perfect love story...

then to say that it fits because Jill is insecure, naive etc etc... doesn't make it right
a seal has not been put on Jill's "happiness", a trap has been set in the path for the players.
 
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PashafromRussia

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And now I'll try to be a little serious.
I understand why Pink had did with Jill/Sage exactly the way he did.
1. Apparently Pink wanted to make the key point for the character not obvious to the player. If Sage was calling for a party, then 90% of the players would choose Jill. Pink originally wanted to make the choice so difficult and contradictory. On the other hand, besides Sage, he could use Maya or Josie. But apparently he postponed the drama with the choice between M/J and Jill for episode 9.Of course, if you beat up Tybalt and Troy, and Jill rejected you because of it since she doesn't like bullies, it sounds more logical from the point of view of a character being bullied at school. I was willing to accept this choice if there were consequences for Sage too. It's just that for me it's some kind of devaluation of Sage's character.
2. In this whole situation, I am surprised by Sage's reaction. It looks like the usual breeding of character branches. But for some reason, Sage always remains available even if we ignored her. Moreover, in the game we literally have to run from Sage, who seems to be more fixated on the player than on Chad. Moreover, we can jump on the outgoing train of Pussy Sage already in episode 7. All this leads me to the idea that Sage, on the way of other girls, will get stuck in the role of a friend for sex and consolation. Just imagine. The player quarreled with Jill. Who does he go to for advice? It could be Bella or Sage. Consolation from Sage can take a very specific form and the nature of actual сheating.
3. What will become of Chick player rejected by Jill? Will Pink prescribe this branch? After all, in fact, this is the end of the game. As a Chick, girls from HOTs are not available to you, and you rejected other girls yourself. What should the player do? I don't want to guess, but it looks like the chance to fix everything will present itself and MC will be able to woo Jill.
Otherwise, it makes no sense for the player to choose Jill at all at the end of episode 8 if you ignored her in episode 6. This is a false and illusory choice from DPC, leading to an actual game over.
At the same time, it's funny that Dik's way looks the most honest. He literally chooses from Sage and Quinn, whereas Neutral or Chick from five girls. I guess it was meant to preserve Sage and Queen in Dik's way, but because of Sage's popularity, Pink decided to make her available to all other players.
 
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Klopdwerg

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Derek with Ashley or Wendy is entirely possible. Ashley is naive enough to not protect herself properly. And Wendy and birth control? Why would she need it? It's not every day that some guy HAS to have sex with a feminist. :D Tommy with Heather, though, not so much. I think she's too world-wise to get pregnant if she doesn't want to, and I see nothing in the game that would indicate that she is ready for motherhood yet. She's actually quite focused on her studies, and pregnancy would create severe problems in that regard.

Magnar with Sally was another possibility I've considered. It would explain her attitude at the dorm party.

I do believe we can definitively rule out the 5 principal LI's. The pregnancy test is in every possible path. But, the MC doesn't have to have sex, much less cum inside, with any of the 5. And none of those girls is likely to have had sex with any male other than the MC since the start of the game. Sage and Chad haven't had sex for a while at least; Josy is only interested in the MC and Maya; Mays is a lesbian who has never touched a boy; Bella is still waiting for John and only has thoughts about another man IF she is turned on by the MC; Jill is a professional virgin. I know people have come up with theories about all that being lies, but come on... really?

I do think the 'flashback' theory has merit, though. It is exactly the type of thing our beloved developer could throw at us.
I think it's Bella's pregnacy test from years back. It definitly looks like an older one and would be about time DPC start with lifting the curtain around her. Also would clarify the low hanging mirror with little step up before that mirror in her bathroom.

If i remember correct it is discussed before and beside Ashley or Sally it would be the most viable outcome.
 

NewTricks

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If we assume that I want to play chaotic neutral and be with Jill, I can easily refuse the next important election:
1) Since I'm going on a date with Jill anyway, it makes no sense for me to accept Tommy's offer with a trip to the bar
2) I will feel sorry for Steve
3) Since I'm going to go the way of Josie and Maya as a neutral, I can simultaneously refuse to smoke weed and refuse Jade
4) I can agree to go to work in a nursing home instead of going to work in a strip bar
At the same time I will definitely
1) Beat Tybalt
2) Beat up Troy
3) Beat up the jocks
4) Accept the offer of a restaurant to fuck Riona and Camila
In fact, it's very easy to go along a neutral path, it's enough for every dik decision to make a chick decision.
Well, obviously those actions have enough of an impact on your character that Jill is willing to overlook the other decisions. Besides... She doesn't really care that much about Tybalt's face beyond the legal jeopardy it puts MC in. I'm surprised she didn't punch him herself. In your original post you lamented that you could go around acting like a total dik. By your own admission, you cannot.
 

RukiRG

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See dude, you made a big problem for nothing now! I tried to answer you politely, but stupid people like you don't understand!
As dumb as you, need to tell everything in detail, at least!
That's why I asked you, where you come from so stupid and who makes you so stupid ? Maybe now you will understand my question? Well, I'm not sure that you have enough brains!
There are a lot of people like you, who sit away they have nothing to do because you are bored, and write out any nonsense that no one is interested in! People here ask questions and wait for answers! And your personal opinion is of no interest to anyone, maybe you're the only one interested!
So good luck dude, in your hard life :)
Hey dude, back off! First of all is your fault that you came here and wrote a post which looks like a command to the other members (using "please" doesn't make the situation better), alright? Secondly, you can use the "search" button everytime... Try it! It will do some magic which you wouldn't believe! And watch your language, BTW... sixart took a play on you, but he didn't use insults... Learn to respect before requesting to be respected!

LE: your post asking about the gallery looks much better than the first one... And obviously the answers are different...in a good way
You do realize that this is a pirate forum? It's amazing that so many developers are active here themselves, directly in the threat or in the discord. And of course they don't answer all the questions. After all, they want you to play their game.
Some Devs understood that F95 may bring players to their games... Even if you're playing the game for free from here, if you like it and you are able to... You can still support the devs on patreon. It may look different, but for the devs to keep in touch with "pirates" on this forum, it may be a win-win situation!
 

sixart

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Hey dude, back off! First of all is your fault that you came here and wrote a post which looks like a command to the other members (using "please" doesn't make the situation better), alright? Secondly, you can use the "search" button everytime... Try it! It will do some magic which you wouldn't believe! And watch your language, BTW... sixart took a play on you, but he didn't use insults... Learn to respect before requesting to be respected!

LE: your post asking about the gallery looks much better than the first one... And obviously the answers are different...in a good way

Some Devs understood that F95 may bring players to their games... Even if you're playing the game for free from here, if you like it and you are able to... You can still support the devs on patreon. It may look different, but for the devs to keep in touch with "pirates" on this forum, it may be a win-win situation!
I must have done something extraordinary in my previous life coz I sure as hell didn't in this one :LOL: :ROFLMAO: :KEK:
But thanks anyways Ruki :)
 

Walter Victor

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Some Devs understood that F95 may bring players to their games... Even if you're playing the game for free from here, if you like it and you are able to... You can still support the devs on patreon. It may look different, but for the devs to keep in touch with "pirates" on this forum, it may be a win-win situation!
Oh, most realize that there is free advertising to be had here, and some of it may even provide revenue. But if you were the developer of this game, would you really read through all the bullshit on this thread!? o_O For one thing it would take too much time. But the real problem is that once a game becomes popular, trolls come crawling out of their lairs and think it's just fine to dump on any popular game because they can. Then there are the just plain stupid people who have no idea what they just played or what it means. Not to mention those who have certain set opinions as to how MCs and LIs should act in some given situation, and any deviation will send them racing to their keyboards. You can see all of the above here on an hourly basis.

I have always maintained that developers SHOULD pay attention to feedback at the beginning of their games and reply to questions and make adjustments as necessary, but should then forget about this place and go about their development as planned.
 

zaqrwe

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I have one question about rewards, I purchased all avaible arts during talk with Jacob (about 7 or 8 of them), and in the next episode they should be unlocked. Even walkthrough says at one moment, that it should be unlocked by then, but it's not. Of all arts I purchased I only got one Jill art and the rest remain locked. How can I actually unlock it then?
 

sixart

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I have one question about rewards, I purchased all avaible arts during talk with Jacob (about 7 or 8 of them), and in the next episode they should be unlocked. Even walkthrough says at one moment, that it should be unlocked by then, but it's not. Of all arts I purchased I only got one Jill art and the rest remain locked. How can I actually unlock it then?
Buy - finish - save - restart - buy - finish - save - restart... you get the idea ! 2a9061a80882d8105b0d6066798e81fe.gif :LOL:
 
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