VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

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AchedCroissant said:
I think we never knew who the rat was and it's probably still here
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mightybored said:
I think Bella has experienced Jill's sleep-humping, which is why she warns Jill before they fall asleep in the same bed again.
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Do you think she sleep humped Bianca too? I wonder how many people have fallen "victim" to the infamous B&R sleep humper? :unsure:
 
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Kellermann said:
Do you think she sleep humped Bianca too? I wonder how many people have fallen "victim" to the infamous B&R sleep humper?
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Atleast it explains why Tybalts room never was locked when MC visited.... And makes you wonder if Sage really was hiding for her father or just waiting for Jill to start sleepwalking!
 
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vogelbeest said:
Atleast it explains why Tybalts room never was locked when MC visited.... And makes you wonder if Sage really was hiding for her father or just waiting for Jill to start sleepwalking!
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NGL...I'd spy on that action.

felicemastronzo said:
ok it's a porn game...

but how do you think there could be action between the two girls with Mc on the other side of the door....

for me they clearly refer to having brought up again a topic that Bella asked not to talk about
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Yes, but why does DPC choose to reveal it to the audience only then? We mostly see Jill/Bella discuss mundane things. Only when they get in this intimate setting does DPC make it a point for players to see. All I know is this "it" thing that Jill did had better be very important and not some foolish little item that is meant as a red herring.

The only other reason that appears in my mind is Jill stealing away a man from Bella or perhaps just liking the same man. The "it" memory seems like it is partly triggered by MC's presence. Does anyone know if this Bella bedroom scene changes dramatically if either Bella or Jill are not romantically interested in MC?
 
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Kellermann said:
Yes, but why does DPC choose to reveal it to the audience only then? We mostly see Jill/Bella discuss mundane things. Only when they get in this intimate setting does DPC make it a point for players to see. All I know is this "it" thing that Jill did had better be very important and not some foolish little item that is meant as a red herring.

The only other reason that appears in my mind is Jill stealing away a man from Bella or perhaps just liking the same man. The "it" memory seems like it is partly triggered by MC's presence. Does anyone know if this Bella bedroom scene changes dramatically if either Bella or Jill are not romantically interested in MC?
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Guess they just slept together after another evening with some bottles of wine, it may even went a bit further then just cuddling.... The fact MC also is in the house might be the exact reason Jill distances herself from Bella, it would not make much sense Jill sleeping on the same couch as MC when she can just share the bed with Bella, so DPC needed some excuse...
 
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Pendrell said:
It seems to me that apart from in the guide and polls, far from maintaining a "hard distinction", DPC has deliberately and repeatedly blurred the line between the two categories when it comes to the game/story content itself. Quinn, for example, has had her own prologue, her own hangout, her own path, and her own animation at the end of episode 8.
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As you say, there's no debate that DPC places Quinn as a SG. Yes, Quinn is undoubtedly the most prominent SG. As something of an antagonist, her role across the story is more significant than any other SG. That makes her special among the SGs, fully deserving of extra attention in the 0.8 others end scene.
Pendrell said:
In fact, as a result of all this, it's not uncommon for new players to say they assumed Quinn was a Main Girl, based on their experience of the game. This happens so frequently that at a certain point I think you have to accept those players are responding to something real in the game, in terms of the way Quinn's character has been purposefully developed.
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Or it just means players new & old struggle with the idea of their MC getting close to characters they ultimately can't 'get' in the end. DPC wants you to care about all of his characters, that doesn't mean they're all destined to be romantic interests. Some people pine after Riona or Jade too. Fling vs love.
Pendrell said:
Just a quick word on your reference to RP: I think I'm right in saying that DPC has spoken about moving away from this as being a big determiner of relationships. There are a few examples of where it matters, in very minor ways, in the first 8 episodes, but mostly it doesn't. So I don't think we can be confident that lack of RP means no ending or relationship with a SG.
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DPC is still doling out RP points in Ep 0.8, but yes I don't think they're a big determiner of relationship. I see them more as an indicator of the depth of the relationship (romantic or otherwise, Derek has RPs too). Other things like affinity or key events mostly determine if you're on the path of a given MG, which is also the case with SGs. It was more an example of an explicit distinction between MGs & SGs in game which has been in place throughout development.
Pendrell said:
But in my view, this is a comment about the way the main story is structured, it doesn't have anything to say about the viability of the romantic options. Quinn is not an MG (so far), but she is definitely a LI. I think DPC has made this pretty clear.
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Conversely I suggest DPC doesn't use the term LI, he only refers to MGs for those who have romance paths. So I think DPC has made it pretty clear none of the SGs are LIs. Hopefully we'll get some indication of where the Zoey thing is going soon at least.
ename144 said:
I'd be willing to bet Maya and Josy will eventually get solo paths. So why not Quinn or Zoey, too?
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I'd welcome the solo paths for Maya & Josy, if that eventuates. The distinction is obvious though, DPC labelled Maya & Josy MGs from the start, and the others SGs.
ename144 said:
It's not just that they're half naked, it's that the discussion started because they were looking at each other in bed. Moreover, Bella knocked her wedding photo off the stand once Jill left, clearly linking something about the topic to her failed marriage. As I said, to me the implication is obvious. But as established, DPC likes to mislead us. So I say it's too obvious.
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How is looking at each other suggestive of any intimate relationship? It's not like there was smouldering sexual tension in their gaze, if anything Bella looks cross & Jill looks pensive while she's thinking about broaching the topic they argue about. Yes Bella knocked the photo over, because she was upset about Jill bringing up 'it', and annoyed at herself about lashing out at Jill. What's that got to do with Bella/Jill having been intimate at any stage? If anything the photo thing suggests 'it' is about James disappearance. Yes I know people have suggested a Bella/Jill fling being related to James disappearance, but again that's completely unsubstantiated fan fiction. There's nothing in that scene to support Bella & Jill were ever intimate. But it would be hot if they were...
Kellermann said:
Does anyone know if this Bella bedroom scene changes dramatically if either Bella or Jill are not romantically interested in MC?
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It does not, no switches at all in that scene.
 
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One would hope that relationship points would weight on the commitment of the main character, but this data is ignored, so they become a form of scoring. Dr PinkCake values specific action variables to the point of overplaying their consequences.

This adds to the list of underused features like Massive Chick or Massive DIK status. Clearly the creator designed a lot of mechanisms only to leave them undone.
 
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Meushi said:
As you say, there's no debate that DPC places Quinn as a SG. Yes, Quinn is undoubtedly the most prominent SG. As something of an antagonist, her role across the story is more significant than any other SG. That makes her special among the SGs, fully deserving of extra attention in the 0.8 others end scene.
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I could buy the argument that Quinn has an end screen by dint of her role as an antagonist only if what was being highlighted in that scene was...her role as an antagonist. But it isn't. It's a romantic scene, and promotes her role as a romantic interest.

Meushi said:
Or it just means players new & old struggle with the idea of their MC getting close to characters they ultimately can't 'get' in the end. DPC wants you to care about all of his characters, that doesn't mean they're all destined to be romantic interests. Some people pine after Riona or Jade too. Fling vs love.
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As I said, the features of Quinn's path have more in common with the five MGs (hangout etc), which are what give some people the understandable impression that the relationship with Quinn is a deeper one than the other SGs. This cannot be explained away by simply saying Quinn is an antagonist, because again, what is being emphasised in those scenes isn't antagonistic, it's romantic. You seem to be suggesting that the romantic scenes with Quinn are only there as a means to make us care about her as a complex villain. I think that's a major misreading.

Meushi said:
Conversely I suggest DPC doesn't use the term LI, he only refers to MGs for those who have romance paths. So I think DPC has made it pretty clear none of the SGs are LIs. Hopefully we'll get some indication of where the Zoey thing is going soon at least.
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He refers to MGs, but at no point has he he explained what he means by that; he certainly hasn't said they're the only ones who have romance paths. In fact much of what he's done in the game suggests the opposite is true. There is a debate to be had about the depth of those relationships, but increasingly it really isn't one that is characterised by the MG/SG distinction.
 
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Pendrell said:
This cannot be explained away by simply saying Quinn is an antagonist, because again, what is being emphasised in those scenes isn't antagonistic, it's romantic. You seem to be suggesting that the romantic scenes with Quinn are only there as a means to make us care about her as a complex villain. I think that's a major misreading.
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Quinn only gets romantic with a dik affinity MC, for chick/neutral MC she's just one of the antagonists. Stating scenes aren't antagonistic but romantic doesn't really matter, bad people need love too, but that doesn't change their role in the story.
There's also no reason to assume she will be an antagonist until the end, things can change, the story isn't finished yet.
Possibly there is a happy ending for a romance with Quinn, but will she turn to the light side or will MC and her end as some Bonnie & Clyde?
 
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Kellermann said:
NGL...I'd spy on that action.



Yes, but why does DPC choose to reveal it to the audience only then? We mostly see Jill/Bella discuss mundane things. Only when they get in this intimate setting does DPC make it a point for players to see. All I know is this "it" thing that Jill did had better be very important and not some foolish little item that is meant as a red herring.

The only other reason that appears in my mind is Jill stealing away a man from Bella or perhaps just liking the same man. The "it" memory seems like it is partly triggered by MC's presence. Does anyone know if this Bella bedroom scene changes dramatically if either Bella or Jill are not romantically interested in MC?
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even if it's not about the sex between Jill and Bella it's most likely still referring to Bella's husband, so it's one of those moments (like the closed door and Bella's outbursts) that serve to create anxiety about that issue

if everything can be traced back to a moment of weakness between Jill and Bella what negative impact could it possibly have on MC?

none!! so that's a no-go....
 
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