VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[felicemastronzo]

Why I try Jill's route in a nutshell
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everyone tells himself all the lies he needs to live better, that's okay, no judgment

 

[Deleted member 6628651]

Not so fast with your list. You're forgetting a lot. KRJ, for example, who is 19 years and I think 2 months old, but has already completed 2 and a half years of college. This is why we know that B&R allows highly gifted teenagers to study at a younger age because she was only 16 when she started college.

Quinn, for example, didn't come to B&R through regular channels. What if Quinn is much older. It is not absolutely necessary for a person to start studying at the age of 18 or 19. You can only decide to do this at the age of 25.

You see what I'm getting at? As long as there is no explicit age statement in the game, everything else is just an estimate based on data that is not backed up.

We only know exactly how old KRJ, Zoey and the MC are. We have secured data for these 3.

He only asked for LIs, so that's why I didn't write the other girls. And you are forgetting a lot, too.

The ages of these girls are known for certain:

Isabella - 35
Nicole - 30
Nora - 32
Zoey - 20
Karen - 19
Cathy - 38
Arieth - 24

The others are unknown. To be honest Maya looks older than 25, same as for Lily and Quinn. But I think it is safe to say that Jill is 21, Sage is 22, and Josy is 19.

 

[ProxyGist]

That's interesting and at the same time you've lost track. This happens when you play several different rounds.

I've never played the Friendship Path and reading this is very interesting and answers a question about Sage's utterance in EP5. Sage said so that whatever the MC chooses, the girl will hopefully appreciate it. This is a note from DPC. On the way to becoming friends, Josy and Maya will separate. But it also runs the risk of Josy or Maya not appreciating the MC. Therefore, I think so that the MC could lose Josy and/or Maya completely.

On the relationship path, at the end of EP4 there is a decision as to whether the MC wants to sleep in Josy or Maya's bed. But I think to myself, so that one of these decisions does not result in the loss of the other. There could then be occasional three-way sex, but the MC has a committed relationship with Josy or Maya. But there is still the 3 option where the MC can sleep on the floor. Here it is very symbolic that Josy and Maya decide to push the beds together so that all 3 can sleep together. Josy and Maya bring the MC to bed with them. So Josy and Maya have decided so that they both want the MC. No jealousy.

But you've lost track because you've mixed up the friendship and relationship paths. One should not mix the different paths, but rather see them as opposite. What happens on one path does not happen on the other path. Josy and Maya only have a toxic relationship on the friendship path, but not when they are in a relationship with him. This is called causality. Cause and effect. The Merovingian from Matrix sends greetings.

This game is like a mosaic, you assemble it from different paths, choices, scenes. Scenes both on the path of friendship and on the path of relationships are indivisible, they make the image of Josy or Maya more complete. When you play only one path, you can't see the whole picture.
I don't think I'm confused. I just think the scenes from the other paths with Josy complement her image. There is no canonical path for Josy, she is self-sufficient as a character both on the friendship path and the relationship path.
As I said Josy on the friendship path is revealed more deeply, her contradictions, her flaws and positive traits are revealed.

 

[ProxyGist]

I can only hope the update will release in 2024.

Well, we have no reason to think otherwise. Last year the ep came out in late December, this year there is a chance it will come out in November, but most likely it will be December 1-8. DPС has already started development of ep11, all minigames are done and according to him he won't be doing minigames and thus will save time.
I'm 90% sure ep11 will come out in 2024, but it clearly won't be August, but something like November-December. But about ep12 I have big doubts that it will be within a year.
So, it's probably gonna go like this:
ep 11 - December 2024.
ep 12 - January 2026.

ep 13 - January 2027
ep 14 - January-February 2028.
ep 15 - January-March 2029.
ep 16 - March-April 2030

epilogue - march 2031

As we can see the main pits will be at the end of the seasons.

 

[Fokko29]

You have to be decent with her. Can't be horny shit all the time

Oh, I was horny shit all the time XD
Perhaps I'll leave it for another walkthrough.

 

[dalli_x]

This game is like a mosaic, you assemble it from different paths, choices, scenes. Scenes both on the path of friendship and on the path of relationships are indivisible, they make the image of Josy or Maya more complete. When you play only one path, you can't see the whole picture.
I don't think I'm confused. I just think the scenes from the other paths with Josy complement her image. There is no canonical path for Josy, she is self-sufficient as a character both on the friendship path and the relationship path.
As I said Josy on the friendship path is revealed more deeply, her contradictions, her flaws and positive traits are revealed.

You are wrong. To date, people can only make decisions in the present, the consequences of which will then become apparent in the future. But a person cannot influence the past, only learn from it. You learn something during your different runs, but it doesn't apply to another run.

Causality. Cause and effect. If the MC player chooses the friend path (cause) of Josy and Maya, this toxic relationship (effect), as you call it, occurs. But if the player chooses a throuple relationship (cause), the relationship is not toxic (effect).

It's like being in a labyrinth. The player decides whether to go right or left and this changes the exits of the labyrinth. Through your different iterations, you mix experiences and thinking so that both paths lead to an outcome. But that won't happen.

If you do several different runs, only one question will be answered. What if the player had decided differently at some point. The joke is that if the player now selects a save point at this point in time and decides otherwise, the player gets a different exit in the labyrinth.

This game is not a single mosaic, but rather multiple puzzles that lead to different mosaics. For the sake of clarity, I will now give the mosaics names. Jill Mosaic, Josy Mosaic, Maya Mosaic, Josy&Maya Mosaic, Sage Mosaic, Isabella Mosaic etc. These are all different puzzles. What I meant is so you want to insert a puzzle piece from Mosaic Josy and/or Mosaic Maya into Mosaic Josy&Maya. But the puzzle piece didn't fit, resulting in the wrong mosaic.

It's that simple.

 

[ReallyNotTimmy]

And now, another “Scene that should have been there but wasn’t.”




I should add I didn’t remember this scene being a Major Choice till I collected the screengrabs. Not that this automatically means there will be repercussions to come. Kicking Troy’s ass had a negligible repercussion. Choosing to let Steve at the convenience store wallow in pity, has had none. And I regularly take Quinn’s phone number for her Restaurant in order to get that extra DIK point, yet never call because (a) it costs money and (b) once you have enough DIK points, the MC won’t need money to get laid.

Besides, Tommy’s always going to be a shit to him regardless of whether he fucks Heather or Josy, or no one.

 

[felicemastronzo]

Well, we have no reason to think otherwise. Last year the ep came out in late December, this year there is a chance it will come out in November, but most likely it will be December 1-8. DPС has already started development of ep11, all minigames are done and according to him he won't be doing minigames and thus will save time.
I'm 90% sure ep11 will come out in 2024, but it clearly won't be August, but something like November-December. But about ep12 I have big doubts that it will be within a year.
So, it's probably gonna go like this:
ep 11 - December 2024.
ep 12 - January 2026.

ep 13 - January 2027
ep 14 - January-February 2028.
ep 15 - January-March 2029.
ep 16 - March-April 2030

epilogue - march 2031

As we can see the main pits will be at the end of the seasons.

for this year we are really close to the release of the new chapter that we may be able to avert (for a few days) that the distance to Chapter 9 remains under 12 months.

But by the next chapter(11) it will be a big surprise should we succeed again, so for 2024 if you have commitments I wouldn't worry too much.

 

[felicemastronzo]

Episode 11 coming out in less than a year will depend on a few factors.

One of the most important ones are if DPC faces some kind of RL crisis that affect his time to delelop, like getting sick, a parent dying or having a serious hardware problem.

Unfortunally, the chances of something like those examples happening in a whole year arent negligible and they could impact the wait times.

The other major factor is the 60 fps animations. So far in episode 10 less than half of the animations have the increased frame rate but that already increased the render times substatialy.

If DPC decides to go all in in 60 fps animations we could easily se the update taking more than 12 months.

Unless he builds more PCs, since DPC already has the best GPUs available.

I'd say it's still to early to say if the next update will release in 2025, DPC himself said he was studying how to do 60fps without impacting the wait times even more.

Lets hope for the best.

That all animations will be in 60 FPS for me is a fact.

it's already a miracle he hasn't decided to redo, at least for now, the ones from the tenth chapter.

I really see very thin margins to a 2024 release.

 

[Takkatakka]

Besides, Tommy’s always going to be a shit to him regardless of whether he fucks Heather or Josy, or no one.

Still waiting for the "Tommy is a great guy if you get to know him better" moment...or was him getting Vinny out supposed to be that moment?

As of now he makes Rusty look like an idiot for keeping him.

 

[ReallyNotTimmy]

I wonder if the throuple will only survive on the neutral affinity?
I'm a bit worried because my mc is a massive chick

I managed to achieve the throuple, then take a hard right towards the DIK path; so now my MC is dating Maya and Josy but is a massive DIK.

It’s doable, but there are some choices he has to avoid lest he alienate them. For example he can work in the strip club, but if Lily posts that photo with him and the strippers, Josy texts him that she and Maya are pissed. And I can’t really blame them; even if I trust her, I’m still not sure I’d want to see a girlfriend posting photos on social media of her surrounded by a gang of Chippendales.

There are other things he can’t do, like joke at their expense or flirt. And when it comes up in the truth/dare/drink game that he’s fucked more than 10 other people, they’re surprised at that number—but they keep him, although considering he never covers his cock, they really should demand he get tested for STDs. Jill had the right idea.

 

[D2M3]

"I plan to announce a release date this month" 12 month long development cycle here we come ............

You know, a few months ago, I joked that release date for Ep10 would be September... 2024.

I didn't think it'd start creeping up to the point that joke is getting closer to reality.

 

[Joshy92]

I managed to achieve the throuple, then take a hard right towards the DIK path; so now my MC is dating Maya and Josy but is a massive DIK.

It’s doable, but there are some choices he has to avoid lest he alienate them. For example he can work in the strip club, but if Lily posts that photo with him and the strippers, Josy texts him that she and Maya are pissed. And I can’t really blame them; even if I trust her, I’m still not sure I’d want to see a girlfriend posting photos on social media of her surrounded by a gang of Chippendales.

There are other things he can’t do, like joke at their expense or flirt. And when it comes up in the truth/dare/drink game that he’s fucked more than 10 other people, they’re surprised at that number—but they keep him, although considering he never covers his cock, they really should demand he get tested for STDs. Jill had the right idea.

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I know you can get the throuple on dik affinity
What I meant was will we be able to keep the throuple for the whole game and get a happy ending on any affinity
Or will that only be possible on a specific affinity?

I don't think DPC would tell anyone tho lol

 

[ProxyGist]

That all animations will be in 60 FPS for me is a fact.

it's already a miracle he hasn't decided to redo, at least for now, the ones from the tenth chapter.

I really see very thin margins to a 2024 release.

This is a strange and unsubstantiated pessimism. It's one thing to say that the release will happen in August or September, it's another thing to say that releases will happen every one and a half or two years.
The reasons why ep10 development took a year are clear. I don't know how long it took to code the minigames, but if there really won't be any, we can save a month or so. That's probably the month that will allow us to fit in a year of development.

for this year we are really close to the release of the new chapter that we may be able to avert (for a few days) that the distance to Chapter 9 remains under 12 months.

You somehow forgot that compared to ep9 in ep10 will be more renders, 60fps animations, scenes and freeroams, that is, it's more in volume, but still we're within a year. DPC found a way to optimize development even with a lot of 60fps animations.

 

[felicemastronzo]

This is a strange and unsubstantiated pessimism. It's one thing to say that the release will happen in August or September, it's another thing to say that releases will happen every one and a half or two years.
The reasons why ep10 development took a year are clear. I don't know how long it took to code the minigames, but if there really won't be any, we can save a month or so. That's probably the month that will allow us to fit in a year of development.

what are you talking about?

we were talking about the 11th chapter...

 

[Kpyna]

Josy and Maya's relationship is toxic, both in the way of friendship and relationship. If on the friendship way we see that they are constantly fighting because Josy can't break up with Maya for unknown reasons and is tormented, on the relationship way Josy is constantly jealous of MC of Maya. Maya behaves more calmly.

You answered your own question and remark. There are at least 2 people in a relationship, not one and we have to deal with 2 persons at least. Their emotions, feelings, how they behave, etc. Why you think that it's Josy, who can't break up with Maya, but not vice versa or both of them can't do that? How their relationship toxicity makes Josy or Maya toxic by themselves?

Who is the initiator of all those fights? It's mentioned several times that Maya can be very mean when arguing and Josy "used to that" and "knows her well". The texts she sent to Josy before she arrived at college, each of which was angrier than the last. How Maya snapped at her when she just mentioned that she still would like to be a part of HOTs.

How Maya behaved with her after Josy moved to HOT's. And even if Maya didn't like it, it was the only reasonable decision at that time. Josy mentioned how Maya could save on food by cooking in the kitchen and that accommodation in HOTs is paid almost fully and free and this is also a money saving, but Maya only snapped back, although money is very important in her situation.

During the most of their quarrels, MC can take one or another side. But honestly, up to EP9, basically Maya was always unjust and wrong in all of those arguments by blaming Josy for nothing or when it was unneseccery or just counterproductive. But even so, we still have a choose whom to "defend".

I made a note that all female characters in the game are manipulative. The difference is HOW Josy manipulates. Josy cries, she runs away, she plays on the MC's guilt and it's disgusting.

She manipulates in a classic vanilla, feminine way, if you like. Do you prefer more sophisticated manipulations with framings, blackmail, etc.? This is very harmless, don't forget about her age, lack of experience and the fact that she is simply not used to hiding her feelings and being silent. It's part of the character.

Next, you should understand the purpose of female manipulation. Don't confuse the opportunity to honestly and openly talk about what you feel, what is in your soul with manipulation and the desire to get something. The quote from the conversation in the EP5 doesn't look like manipulation, it looks like a fear of choice, where the options are not only MC or Maya, but also the option of loneliness, which she is terribly afraid of, and we have not even figured out until now - why. I don't know if it will be revealed, but this is her character trait and her right. Everyone has their own weaknesses, the fear of loneliness is not such a vice, compared to some others.

It seems to me like a kind of sacrifice, when you have feelings for someone and realize that they are stronger or more real, but you are afraid to take this step, eventually choosing something smaller that you already have and in which you are more or less sure. If it didn't work and she objected to Maya at that moment, then considering how shaky their relationship has been lately, as well as how Maya sometimes reacts (and also knowing that she also developed feelings for MC), then Josy would have been left with nothing. Is it manipulation? Not at all. Can she be blamed here? Unlikely.

Let's just compare what Maya and Josy say on the path of friendship in ep5. That best characterizes these characters.

First of all, in both cases, MC is being a complete asshole. He manipulates the girls' emotions in these scenes, not allowing them to forget themselves. But if Maya immediately rejects him saying firmly and confidently that she loves Josy and even accuses MC of trying to confuse her, Josy directly says that she could be happy with MC. Which she basically repeats in both ep9 and ep7 when she sleeps over with MC.

Let's go. Josy fully expresses her throughts and feelings, openly and honestly. Maya, being an introvert, just closes in herself as usual, trying to burn bridges, while some of them may lead to chaos or uncertainty. It's more comfortable to her. She was afraid to make the first step and tell Josy about her feelings for how long? Months or probably years? They were in the same school. We learned that in EP4 intro.
So, you admit that MC brings the shitstorm here and pushes girls to use their "manipulative" and "toxic" weapons? But still blame Josy for saying all that to MC? Many of us were annoyed that MC was running away from them like a little child and avoided any conversations for several days. But now you'd like Josy and Maya to shut up and keep quiet. How does it even work in your mind?

We know that MC repeatedly appeals and calling out to honesty. Josy is honest with him. What's wrong? What would have changed if she had lied and pretended that everything was okay? Soon or later we will be back at the same point anyway. But when you lie, times past and most probably MC will reach the non-return point with someone else, while being honest - you can plant seeds of unsureness in his mind and get a chance. That's how these feminine "manipulation" works here from Josy side. Following the plot, we know that Josy is the first, who MC perceived as a pair for him, he developed feelings for her and it was mutual. Knowing and remembering this is important when you will try to remind again of "manipulations", "better move on", etc. Why you haven't quoted the Josy dialogue from EP7? The difference here and the key point to understand the following events is MCs choice in EP5. If we pick feeling for her, we have that dialogue in EP7. She admits that she tried to forget him and to left those feelings, but it doesn't work. If we don't pick feelings to her, we as players just haven't a chance to hear it from her, but all those throughs and feelings are still with her. We know this as players, right? That's why the EP9 scene is inevitable. Does MC have feelings for her or not, she have them in both cases. If you pick that you think of her from time to time or all the time, while being in a relationship with someone else at that moment - you're cheating "mentally" and awarded with +TC points. Because now it's MC who becomes a liar and cheater.

In most of the cases it's not Josy a "bitch", "manipulative person", etc. It's DPC as an author and maker of this universe fucking with our minds, feelings and emotions. And I have to admit that all those choices, words, etc are quite close to the real world situations in which both men and women periodically find themselves. Everyone has weaknesses and points that can be pressed and forced to make the wrong choice, or at least try.

If all the choices were simple and "correct", this game would be very boring and would hardly collect so many discussion pages here and elsewhere. Predictability, "correctness" and sweetness to the point of toothache - that's what really tires. The frequent choice between "bad" and "very bad" is what moves the plot and creates drama. And the funny thing is that many blame DPC for creating dramas "out of nowhere" or like "drama for drama's sake", but what would this game be without all this? MEGA boring and bland. It's always good to reason from the player's position that they say that the character is an idiot, I would do this, I would do that, don't do that, MC or MG has no brains, etc., but all this reminds kindergarten or just shows how narrowly some people think or about a complete lack of imagination. Everyone is smart retroactively. But if you will try to perceive game universe as your own life, where are no "save game" feature, or push the back button function, you may better understand the characters from time to time.

Josy saying how you can love two people at the same time...Well we know that's a lie. She doesn't love Maya, she loves the MC. How do we know that? By her behavior in both friendships and relationships.
On the friendship path:
- constant fighting with Maya.
- "what would happen if there was no Maya?"
- Keeps the MC's sweater.
On the relationship path:
- jealous of MC of Maya

We know that their relationship and the whole situation (after MC appeared in Josy's life) are quite complicated.

- "constant fighting with Maya" - lie, it's Maya who initiates almost all of those fights. The choice is to be submissive and agree with ALL that Maya want from her or to argue and defend her opinion or view in a particular situations.

- "what would happen if there was no Maya?" AND WHAT? Why the hell she can't think about it or even regret? We still have choice to cool down her and help them with their relationship to survive and become better, so she can forget about MC sooner or later. Or we can act as a villain and force them to break up. Again. WE controlling this.

- "Keeps the MC's sweater." - one of the sweetest things in the game, imo. It's so childish, but damn it, it gives such strong memories and associations with that age. Make a discount that she is 19 (and MC too). Mature people become more callous and get on without such trifles or symbolism. But it's just cute... this is one of the very strong signs that someone cares about you, that someone really has feelings for you.

- "jealous of MC of Maya" - it's not a jealousy, she just afraid and unsure is his feeling for her as strong as for Maya, especially when you do a Maya biased playthrough. Is a jealousy, "bitchy" or "toxic" person will have a conversation with a direct competitor in a toilet stall? I mean Jill if MC romance her and J&M together OR Jill and Sage. Especially the last one case.

If she was jealous, she would try to "cut off" the MC from Maya, on the contrary, she is the initiator and supporter of doing everything together (sex, pastime, etc.), and they have such an opportunity only from the EP9 with an exception on EP8 and their birthday gift to MC in swim and spa. If you play in a balanced way, everyone is happy and no one is jealous of anyone.

She enjoys looking how MC is fucking Maya in front of her. There are no jealousy in her eyes. You can say anything about DPC renders and their quality, but his sense of catching the characters emotions and bringing them as a response to each of current and past choices, actions, words we had made are great, just great. He is SO good in this field.

Sometimes it's a sense of competition, but not jealousy. These are completely different things. Do not mislead yourself and others. Jealousy can develop if you do not pay attention to both equally. Or even blatantly demonstrating your preference to only one of them. This is very important in polygamous relationships. And not only Josy but Maya as well. It will just look different in contrast to the open and constantly blabbering Josy. Maya keeps everything to herself for some time.

Second, there probably won't be a solo path for Maya. Well, that was obvious. Maya's solo will be available as part of J/M.

I can say that in this case it would not make sense to give the player this choice in EP5, the player then could be brought gradually to a second choice between J / M without such an obvious indication.

Some altered scenes with them after this choice is also a good indication. Absolutely no sense to create all that little details, according to characters personality and the way the MC behaves according to it. Josy starts to express her feelings more, while Maya keeps silent, but she definitely reacts to some of the MC's actions, just in her own way, without saying anything out loud.

And speaking of solo paths, even now it's too late, and it can't be delayed anymore. If they don't open before the end of season 3, then they are unlikely to be there at all and all these choices can be recorded for the teasing and fucking with the player by the DPC.

Speaking of solo paths and what you said above, that they contstantly arguing, fighting, etc... This may lead to their break up in some moment. Then why you don't think that Maya will become an option in such case? Most of this is under control of the player. The "feelings for" choice, help them and support them or not, etc.

 

[RK - Milf]

And now, another “Scene that should have been there but wasn’t.”

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I should add I didn’t remember this scene being a Major Choice till I collected the screengrabs. Not that this automatically means there will be repercussions to come. Kicking Troy’s ass had a negligible repercussion. Choosing to let Steve at the convenience store wallow in pity, has had none. And I regularly take Quinn’s phone number for her Restaurant in order to get that extra DIK point, yet never call because (a) it costs money and (b) once you have enough DIK points, the MC won’t need money to get laid.

Besides, Tommy’s always going to be a shit to him regardless of whether he fucks Heather or Josy, or no one.

wait you actually can invite Derek and Leon? wtf is this thing legit?

 

[hakuna-matata]

Still waiting for the "Tommy is a great guy if you get to know him better" moment...or was him getting Vinny out supposed to be that moment?

As of now he makes Rusty look like an idiot for keeping him.

Tommy The Free Loader is the worst DIK. His attitude and personality are so shit, he belongs with Alphas. This prince among men is such a pussy ass bitch. He's on some high horse getting upset when he can't keep it in his pants. He constantly cheats on Heather and gets upset if his step-sister, not even his real sister is banging someone. I really hope we can beat him up again.

 

[ReallyNotTimmy]

wait you actually can invite Derek and Leon? wtf is this thing legit?

Like my caption says, ‘Scene that should have been there but wasn’t.” It’s unauthorized fanfiction, for laughs.

It should have been there because Heather wanted to even the score between her and Tommy, and this would’ve done it right away. Plus there haven’t been any gangbangs in the story yet, and it is a fraternity after all.

 

[Blastharddick]

His attitude and personality are so shit, he belongs with Alphas

That's the funny part, he's an Alpha reject to begin with.