VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[Riaman]

I believe it was Quinn who said she smoked at 12, Quinn was probably her dealer back then too.

She started corrupting poor Riona early on.

All she had to do is say no to drugs. Like my Chick MC.

Well if Quinn was really Riona's dealer then that's a very aggressive predatory behaviour. But that isn't confirmed.

 

[Deleted member 6546851]

Quinn tells Rio your going to fail college and that you really can't do anything else or go anywhere else, to me that is Quinn forcing Rio to do what she wants

No, it isn't. It's her persuading and manipulating Riona to do what she wants her to do. That's not "forcing" her to do anything because there's no threats or use of force involved at all. Yes, she's exploiting and deceiving her but I haven't seen Riona be forced into doing anything at all from what we've seen so far.

 

[KАRАMBA]

Quinn tells Rio your going to fail college and that you really can't do anything else or go anywhere else, to me that is Quinn forcing Rio to do what she wants

Really?
You can't force someone to do something with just words.
For example, I saw then Chip and that other guy trying to convince you that you better stop Alady-posting.
That it's hurting Josy. They tried, but failed. You didn't listen to them.
It's the same with Rio. It's her own choice.

 

[Darkwen]

No, it isn't. It's her persuading and manipulating Riona to do what she wants her to do. That's not "forcing" her to do anything because there's no threats or use of force involved at all. Yes, she's exploiting and deceiving her but I haven't seen Riona be forced into doing anything at all from what we've seen so far.
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Manipulating isn't forcing someone? I would say it is

 

[Riaman]

No, it isn't. It's her persuading and manipulating Riona to do what she wants her to do. That's not "forcing" her to do anything because there's no threats or use of force involved at all. Yes, she's exploiting and deceiving her but I haven't seen Riona be forced into doing anything at all from what we've seen so far.
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Riona is a drug addict, manipulating those guys isn't even difficult. Even if she wasn't in restaurant whoring herself out, she still would be a drug addict and be with Quinn as her side kick in drug distribution network and would have been eventually kidnapped by Vinny. Can't blame that on Quinn other than her aggressive business tactics after losing contract with Jocks and being mugged.

 

[felicemastronzo]

Its cause and affect there is nothing absurd about blaming Quinn for this, yes it Vinny that did it but you cannot say Quinn actions had nothing to do with it because they did 100% if it wasn't for Quinn, Rio would be happy and safe right now

then Lily is the culprit

she is the one who stole the customers from Vinnie. her idea, her contacts.

 

[KАRАMBA]

Manipulating isn't forcing someone? I would say it is

Then television advertising is also a forcing.
But in fact, this is not the case.

 

[Riaman]

then Lily is the culprit

she is the one who stole the customers from Vinnie. her idea, her contacts.

Lily is an angel, she is blameless. All she wants is cheap weed and not be scammed by a scumbag. No one can blame her.

 

[Dessolos]

Blaming Quinn for Rio getting kidnapped is fucking absurd. The fact that Vinnie and their boss are psychos isn't on her. Quinn has done some shit, but that's not one of them.

Vinnie are whatshisname are to blame for that, y'know, cause they fucking kidnapped her.

For Quinn, that's huge. That was ingrained into by her dad since she was a kid, and if she was happy to keep living that way, she wouldn't have felt the need to apologise.

I mean Quinn isnt to blame 100% but she is partially to blame at the very least. She dismissed Rio thinking she is being followed if I recall correctly , as well dismissed Rio's concerns with screwing over Vinny. So yeah while not directly to blame hard for me to say she is completely blameless either. Since at the end of the day her actions is what caused Vinny to get back at her tho in a bad way.

 

[felicemastronzo]

Lily is an angel, she is blameless. All she wants is cheap weed and not be scammed by a scumbag. No one can you blame her.

 

[Deleted member 6546851]

Manipulating isn't forcing someone? I would say it is

Forcing someone to do something can also be manipulative but I don't think manipulation in and of itself is "forcing" because there simply aren't even any threats of use of force involved, especially in this case.

 

[Riaman]

Lily is smart, she sees cheap stuff and buys the stock. Maybe you should learn economics.

Heard B&R has a very reputable economics course.

 

[Darkwen]

then Lily is the culprit

she is the one who stole the customers from Vinnie. her idea, her contacts.

Lets not get silly here , Quinn still the one that used Lilly's idea and contacts leading to unnerving Vinny and him kidnapping Rio

 

[MoBy28]

Quinn tells Rio your going to fail college and that you really can't do anything else or go anywhere else, to me that is Quinn forcing Rio to do what she wants. Clear bullying and manipulation by Quinn

She's technically not forcing her to do it just manipulating her. Quinn was taught to manipulate others, she's not very skilled with anyone who has a decent mind or has self confidence. She takes advantage of others. Easiest targets are those who are weak willed or lack self esteem. If your not on Quinn's path, the MC becomes her biggest problem since he shows some of the girls they have much more to offer than Quinn makes them think. Look at the change in Rio if your on the others path after the halloween party conversation. She starts to show some confidence by pursuing the MC in a more romantic way instead of just being a sex object. Granted she likes being a sex object but he tells and shows her that she has to be the one to make the change to find something more than just sexual gratification.

 

[Darkwen]

Forcing someone to do something can also be manipulative but I don't think manipulation in and of itself is "forcing" because there simply aren't even any threats of use of force involved, especially in this case.
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What Quinn is doing to Rio and the girls is really no different then what Patrick is doing to Maya, expect the kidnapping wasn't a bluff and no unread loan doc

 

[Riaman]

What Quinn is doing to Rio and the girls is really no different then what Patrick is doing to Maya, expect the kidnapping wasn't a bluff and no unread loan doc

Patrick hides details, Quinn didn't. Quinn does use unfair means like getting video of Maya to blackmail her (successfully failed), but she did tell them what they are getting into. Mona knew but couldn't cope with it when the time came.

 

[Darkwen]

She's technically not forcing her to do it just manipulating her. Quinn was taught to manipulate others, she's not very skilled with anyone who has a decent mind or has self confidence. She takes advantage of others. Easiest targets are those who are weak willed or lack self esteem. If your not on Quinn's path, the MC becomes her biggest problem since he shows some of the girls they have much more to offer than Quinn makes them think. Look at the change in Rio if your on the others path after the halloween party conversation. She starts to show some confidence by pursuing the MC in a more romantic way instead of just being a sex object. Granted she likes being a sex object but he tells and shows her that she has to be the one to make the change to find something more than just sexual gratification.

to me it still forcing since the one doing the manipulating is getting what they want from the person who doesn't see any other path then to give in

 

[KАRАMBA]

Lets not get silly here , Quinn still the one that used Lilly's idea and contacts leading to unnerving Vinny and him kidnapping Rio

OK, I know you're going to keep blaming Quinn, no matter what the arguments.
That's because you're just an unfair person.
You know that Quinn tried to back out of the deal with Lily, and not have anything to do with her.
But Lily achieved what she wanted with her perseverance.

 

[Darkwen]

Patrick hides details, Quinn didn't. Quinn does use unfair means like getting video of Maya to blackmail her (successfully failed), but she did tell them what they are getting into. Mona knew but couldn't cope with it when the time came.

Quinn makes the girls feel there like they to stupid to do anything else and that they need her, but if you want to say that Quinn was more open ok but I still see it as the same thing thought not perfectly

 

[SteelyDan14]

I mean Quinn isnt to blame 100% but she is partially to blame at the very least. She dismissed Rio thinking she is being followed if I recall correctly , as well dismissed Rio's concerns with screwing over Vinny. So yeah while not directly to blame hard for me to say she is completely blameless either. Since at the end of the day her actions is what caused Vinny to get back at her tho in a bad way.

I understand what everyone is saying here, but this is 100% Vinnie's fault. Vinnie is the one who made the decision to kidnap Rio. Vinnie is the one who committed the act. No one forced him. It's like rape or physical abuse. Do we blame the victim because they wore revealing clothes? Do we blame the wife for pissing off the husband? Do we blame the clothing company for making the clothes? Do we blame the store promoting the clothes? How about the parents? Is it the parents fault? No. The dude who committed the rape made the choice. The husband who hit his wife made the choice. The person who kidnaps someone made the choice.

None of this is Rio's fault. None of this is Quinn's fault. The only one to blame is Vinnie. No one forced or manipulated him to do this. At the end of the day it was all his decision. He could have chosen not to do it, instead HE made the choice to kidnap Rio.