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I don't see the game going in the direction of "this character was secretly evil".

Sally is the only one I can't be sure about because I can see a world where DPC makes her double-cross Tremolo, I don't particularly vibe with the idea though.

We wrap up the drug plot with Vinny and Buddy, probably work as a team to bring down Magnar and the Nerds to save the other frats and somewhere along the line deal with Stephen. Then the main plot is finished and we move to epilogues.

It's obviously not impossible for there to be a "Leah" character but I think there are already enough villains and we are approaching endgame territory.
I think there's a difference though between Leah psychotic evil and someone with competing interests "betraying" Fuckface unexpectedly. The people getting "scholarships" from Stephen in exchange for working as escorts have an interest in keeping that going, and others like Tania are suggested to be addicted to drugs to a degree and are now potentially without a go to supply after Quinn's decision to rat the supplier out.

So there's still potential for a late game "twist" to setup at least the beginning of Season 4, it's just not going to be murder this time.
 
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Yeah but in the previous game it was a nurturing figure/someone they always thought was on their side who was the ultimate threat. It's why I have my reading of Zoey as possibly being an unintentional "antagonist" in terms of her arc.

Currently I don't see Sally being the curveball, if only because it'd be rather unsatisfying. Out of the leading lights I see it being one of the SGs involved in the prostitution ring/escort service that will suddenly be revealed as an issue (e.g. Camila as an example) or one of the women at the Pink Rose (e.g. Tania).

However most of all I still think it's Tommy that's the biggest threat from within the DIKs themselves. Most of the plot threads all keep coming back to him (Vinny, Magnar, and Quinn).
Zoey, not even close. She's not a local Leah role.
Many people suspected Quinn and that would be more justified, but Ep.10-11 shows that she's not the antagonist, more of morally grey.

Tommy is more for unintentional antagonists among the DIKs because of his dumb choices, impulsive personality and drug addiction:
- His decision to attack jocks mention lead to DIKs home trashed.
-His unwillingness to make peace with Quinn led to drug withdrawal because he was left without the dose.
-Withdrawal led to a deal with Vinny as a bew drug source , which led Vinny to the DIKs, and then to fight with MC.
-Tommy lied to MC about Vinny using a toy gun. MC told himself that next time he'd punch Vinny and not chicken out.

The chain of a disaster is now complete.
 
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Zoey, not even close. She's not a local Leah role.
Many people suspected Quinn and that would be more justified, but Ep.10-11 shows that she's not the antagonist, more of morally grey.

Tommy is more for unintentional antagonists among the DIKs because of his dumb choices, impulsive personality and drug addiction:
- His decision to attack jocks mention lead to DIKs home trashed.
-His unwillingness to make peace with Quinn led to drug withdrawal because he was left without the dose.
-Withdrawal led to a deal with Vinny as a bew drug source , which led Vinny to the DIKs, and then to fight with MC.
-Tommy lied to MC about Vinny using a toy gun. MC told himself that next time he'd punch Vinny and not chicken out.

All the elements for the ensuing disaster are now in place.
Quinn's definitely the one most likely to die if there is a death (redeemed "villain" arc), and I don't think she'll be an antagonist as it undoes her entire arc. Zoey, we'll have to disagree as I still think her arc is a Sword of Damocles situation for other relationships that'll never end well.
 
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Quinn's definitely the one most likely to die if there is a death (redeemed "villain" arc), and I don't think she'll be an antagonist as it undoes her entire arc. Zoey, we'll have to disagree as I still think her arc is a Sword of Damocles situation for other relationships that'll never end well.
With Zoey arch, the situation is controlled by the MC, that is, you. Whether to return to her or not is entirely the player's choice. The girls' routes have much more serious obstacles, such as cheating points, Jade for Sage's route, Bianca for Jill's route, the Jill-Bella-MC triangle problem if you've courted both girls, potentially Bella's secret, and the relationship problem between Maya and Josy on their route. Zoey is an alternative for a player who feels nostalgic for a "childhood friend," who enjoys alt-girls, and she's completely safe for Others run.
Don't listed the primitive populism based on hatred(HURR-DURR tHe DeStRoYeR) and look how the game is builded. Decision to ruin his new relationship for her is entirely up to the player.
And I did it once, I have the extra Throuple run for this :ROFLMAO:
 

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With Zoey arch, the situation is controlled by the MC, that is, you. Whether to return to her or not is entirely the player's choice. The girls' routes have much more serious obstacles, such as cheating points, Jade for Sage's route, Bianca for Jill's route, the Jill-Bella-MC triangle problem if you've courted both girls, potentially Bella's secret, and the relationship problem between Maya and Josy on their route. Zoey is an alternative for a player who feels nostalgic for a "childhood friend," who enjoys alt-girls, and she's completely safe for Others run.
Don't listed the primitive populism based on hatred(HURR-DURR tHe DeStRoYeR) and look how the game is builded. Decision to ruin his new relationship for her is entirely up to the player.
And I did it once, I have the extra Throuple run for this :ROFLMAO:
The decision to go back to Zoey may be made by the player, but what I'm saying is that I don't think it'll end up being a good one but one with unintentional consequences for your relationships (romantic or otherwise) with other characters.
 

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The decision to go back to Zoey may be made by the player, but what I'm saying is that I don't think it'll end up being a good one but one with unintentional consequences for your relationships (romantic or otherwise) with other characters.
Nothing bad gonna happens if wasn't chased other girls...
Well, except if Josy start her yandere arc and kill both of them with Bella axe because of unrequited love for the MC
 
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Nothing bad gonna happens if wasn't chased other girls...
Well, except if Josy start her yandere arc and kill both of them with Bella axe because of unrequited love for the MC
Jill has serious links to money and ties to alumni and may not take a sudden rejection in this instance well down the line. Sage likewise has links to faculty who clearly have influence.

How it plays out is yet to be seen, but all have the potential to cause problems.
 

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Jill has serious links to money and ties to alumni and may not take a sudden rejection in this instance well down the line. Sage likewise has links to faculty who clearly have influence.

How it plays out is yet to be seen, but all have the potential to cause problems.
Jill isn't that kind of person, and she wasn't raised that way. She can be provoked, and she'll stand up for herself, beating up a balls of a creepy British pervert and watermelon lover, but revenge, ruining the MCs life —no, that's not Jill. Moreover, she'll forgive him in time. She's too good a person to be evil.
Sage just beat a shit out of him.
 
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She's too good a person to be evil.
Her responding in a way that is detrimental to Fuckface isn't "evil" necessarily. The fact is if you're in an exclusive relationship with her and then suddenly go back to your ex, she may regard that as having been going on already and you cheated on her which could lead to serious consequences.
 

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I never cheat on the Love interests, only in very specific runs to get the dialogue.

For example, I have a zoey specific to plow the smurf like snow in a canadian lot.

None of the girls deserve to get cheated on tbh
 
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Her responding in a way that is detrimental to Fuckface isn't "evil" necessarily. The fact is if you're in an exclusive relationship with her and then suddenly go back to your ex, she may regard that as having been going on already and you cheated on her which could lead to serious consequences.
She will cry, be heartbroken, but I trust she not gonna do anything to him. The consequences will certainly eat away at MC. Bella won't respect him anymore, and neither will Sage, since she and Jill are friends.
 

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She will cry, be heartbroken, but I trust she not gonna do anything to him. The consequences will certainly eat away at MC. Bella won't respect him anymore, and neither will Sage, since she and Jill are friends.
Which could all narratively come back to bite Fuckface and the DIKs badly.

Let's say Stephen tries to act against them to cover up what he's been doing. Thanks to breaking up with Jill and going back to Zoey you could potentially as a result lose key support including the daughter of a crucial alumni family, Stephen's adopted daughter who likely have access to stuff at his home that could incriminate him, and a serving member of the faculty who knows a lot of what the DIKs have been up to that breaks Campus rules.
 

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I didn't say that Zoey was evil for doing it, but the characterisation from the Interlude is that she put more emphasis on chasing her dreams than whatever she had with MC. IIRC she even mentions during the Interlude how she didn't regard it as serious as she presumes Fuckface did.

Regardless of whether she still thought about him or not, she was still happy to stop communicating with him (which is more than simply cutting down) until her dreams don't pan out and she comes back into the picture hoping to pick up where she left off but quickly finds that the MC has actually moved on pretty substantially.
It's true that after the passing of Zoey's grandma her main objective is to realise her dream, but she doesn't wish to end whatever she thinks she has with the MC. Zoey wants him to come with her. She's very sad that he can't but feels she has to do it for herself anyway, hoping to prepare a nest for both in San Diego that the MC can join as soon as he's graduated. After all, they've made plans to move away to some warm place together. Don't forget, Zoey is mourning fresh after the death of one of the dearest people in her life. It's not fair to expect someone in a distressed state to act reasonably, is it?

A very important scene of Zoey's story worth paying special attention to is the conversation with Bret while getting her first tattoo. It's during that scene where she reveals her version of their relationship, where Bret tells about his similar experience and how avoiding contact with Emma seemingly worked out perfectly well in the end (it didn't).

Zoey claims they're best friends who just happen to do what couples do (during the course of the story the players are constantly shown she's clearly lying to herself without realising it). She's unhappy about things being awkward between them, that the MC isn't very talkative (yes, it was actually the MC at first who didn't want to communicate and Zoey had to initiate conversations) or sharing her joy. Bret, telling about his own experience puts a thought in Zoey's head that perhaps the MC has deeper feelings. He tells about a similar story between him and Emma, how he stopped talking to her and how they're back to being best friends.

Zoey, with Bret's words in her mind and hoping she's doing the MC a favor, starts writing him less and less in the following months. However, she's not doing it happily and it hurts herself as well. For example, you can read in Zoey's diary how badly it affects her that the MC didn't send her birthday wishes (which must be around the time he changed his phone number).
Again, it's still a positioning that in most paths Fuckface does at least confirm there's dating going on, so most importantly it's Zoey finding out that Fuckface has likely moved on, and it's from then suddenly she not as chill as she was in the previous episode and is in fact wanting to declare her love.
Zoey doesn't want the MC back because of finding out he's in a relationship. When he tells about his relationships during ep10 hangout, Zoey is genuinely happy for him. After all, that's what she wanted him to do - move on and think less about her to spare his feelings. Upon returning home all Zoey hopes is to be on talking terms and hang out again, she even suspects he could be mad at her for what she did. It's only during the BBQ talk (which Zoey initiates as she's now more ready to talk about feelings as of her character arc) where the MC confesses his past feelings that makes Zoey reflect on their relationship and realise that she's also cared about him more than just friend all this time, and now she can't stop thinking about it and keep those feelings hidden from herself. It has nothing to do with the MC having a girlfriend or moving on in other ways.

This is what I don't like about Zoey's characterisation and is why I personally find her quite... well boring as a result. If her whole thing is simply two inexperienced teens who were or weren't fucking yet awkward around their feelings but now want to get together with Fuckface in the pursuit of love then how is that really all that different from say the throuple, Jill, or even Quinn? In my view DPC unfortunately brought her in too late and since then has involved her extremely little in the ongoing events of the game to the point many have joked about how she's basically been benched since the Interlude.

It's why I probably have the different read on her where she's unintentionally this relationship wrecker because of insecurities she has as that would actually be a unique characterisation for this game and lead to some interesting scenarios as a result. It could lead to interesting conflicts with other characters that actually hinders Fuckface in future episodes, see Zoey almost grow resentful now that she's got what she thought she wanted but in reality didn't etc.

If however she's just this "Fuckface's first love now realising she wants him too" true love trope then it's just going to be at the bottom of the list for me interest-wise.
Hey, I'm not trying to change anyone's opinion about Zoey. Whether another person loves or hates her, enjoys her story or finds it boring, that's totally fine by me. Unless someone tries to twist the story events and spread false information (whether it's due to bad memory, blind hate for a character or whatever) I don't care. It's not like someone disliking my favourite girl would somehow hinder my enjoyment of her story. Au contraire, it's actually quite entertaining how Zoey's haters can't stop thinking about her and feel the need to constantly remind everyone about it and their insecurities. It's especially fun when I succeed in triggering them even further (ain't that right, hammer boy and AI Nora? :Kappa:)
 

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Which could all narratively come back to bite Fuckface and the DIKs badly.

Let's say Stephen tries to act against them to cover up what he's been doing. Thanks to breaking up with Jill and going back to Zoey you could potentially as a result lose key support including the daughter of a crucial alumni family, Stephen's adopted daughter who likely have access to stuff at his home that could incriminate him, and a serving member of the faculty who knows a lot of what the DIKs have been up to that breaks Campus rules.
The key word is "let's say." This theory is based on Stephen, but from what we know about him, this guy just wants to squeeze out as much money as possible from his wife's divorce and seizes every opportunity.
I had envisioned him as the power broker who plays from the shadows, but that role turned out to be Magnar.
 

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Don't forget, Zoey is mourning fresh after the death of one of the dearest people in her life. It's not fair to expect someone in a distressed state to act reasonably, is it?
"I didn't mean to ruin everyone's life. After all, my grandma died."

Hey, I'm not trying to change anyone's opinion about Zoey. Whether another person loves or hates her, enjoys her story or finds it boring, that's totally fine by me. Unless someone tries to twist the story events and spread false information (whether it's due to bad memory, blind hate for a character or whatever) I don't care. It's not like someone disliking my favourite girl would somehow hinder my enjoyment of her story. Au contraire, it's actually quite entertaining how Zoey's haters can't stop thinking about her and feel the need to constantly remind everyone about it and their insecurities. It's especially fun when I succeed in triggering them even further (ain't that right, hammer boy and AI Nora? :Kappa:)
If you like mindless, poorly designed, artsy fartsy chicks, yeah Zoey's great. She's fine as a character. Dumb as a main character or interlude in this story. Ridiculous as being placed into this late in the story that blows all progress to hell for melodrama. "I don't care, choose me." Wow, DPC.

I easily mute people who annoy me. I don't mind people liking any fictional character, provided how they do it is not retarded -- and those have been muted. They know who they are, because they're still doing it. Better Cock Spock is at least jovial and entertaining, with a vast array of media to make points.

The fact that you take joy from people who disagree with you, triggering you? Grow up, fap boy. That's some grade school stuff you need to deal with. Let's just assume you're being facetious and have a normal, fulfilling life. I come on here to waste time and laugh at weirdos. The latest one: Bella being an MJ Heisenberg, or Lily teaming up with Quinn to fight Buddy...every week on here is goofier than reddit. And now you claiming it's okay cause grandma died?

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If you like mindless, poorly designed, artsy fartsy chicks, yeah Zoey's great. She's Zoey fine as a character. Dumb as a main character or interlude in this story. Ridiculous as being placed into this late in the story that blows all progress to hell for melodrama. "I don't care, choose me." Wow, DPC.
I disagree purely because I think Zoey is a decent character (no better or worse than most of the rest of the cast) and tattoos aside, I don't think she's poorly designed at all (the "mindless" and "artsy fartsy" bits are just projection of opinion, so don't need addressing). The bit about being ridiculously placed late in the story etc., is itself ridiculous though, as she was always there. She was discussed early on and it was clear that she had made a big impact on MC both in her time with him and also in leaving him after her personal tragedy. If anything, that probably telegraphed her later return into MC's life and therefore into the game as a full character, as opposed to just a narrative device.
 
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