VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[Geralt From Rivia]

Quinn's definitely the one most likely to die if there is a death (redeemed "villain" arc), and I don't think she'll be an antagonist as it undoes her entire arc. Zoey, we'll have to disagree as I still think her arc is a Sword of Damocles situation for other relationships that'll never end well.

With Zoey arch, the situation is controlled by the MC, that is, you. Whether to return to her or not is entirely the player's choice. The girls' routes have much more serious obstacles, such as cheating points, Jade for Sage's route, Bianca for Jill's route, the Jill-Bella-MC triangle problem if you've courted both girls, potentially Bella's secret, and the relationship problem between Maya and Josy on their route. Zoey is an alternative for a player who feels nostalgic for a "childhood friend," who enjoys alt-girls, and she's completely safe for Others run.
Don't listed the primitive populism based on hatred(HURR-DURR tHe DeStRoYeR) and look how the game is builded. Decision to ruin his new relationship for her is entirely up to the player.
And I did it once, I have the extra Throuple run for this

 

[jd8097619]

With Zoey arch, the situation is controlled by the MC, that is, you. Whether to return to her or not is entirely the player's choice. The girls' routes have much more serious obstacles, such as cheating points, Jade for Sage's route, Bianca for Jill's route, the Jill-Bella-MC triangle problem if you've courted both girls, potentially Bella's secret, and the relationship problem between Maya and Josy on their route. Zoey is an alternative for a player who feels nostalgic for a "childhood friend," who enjoys alt-girls, and she's completely safe for Others run.
Don't listed the primitive populism based on hatred(HURR-DURR tHe DeStRoYeR) and look how the game is builded. Decision to ruin his new relationship for her is entirely up to the player.
And I did it once, I have the extra Throuple run for this

The decision to go back to Zoey may be made by the player, but what I'm saying is that I don't think it'll end up being a good one but one with unintentional consequences for your relationships (romantic or otherwise) with other characters.

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

The decision to go back to Zoey may be made by the player, but what I'm saying is that I don't think it'll end up being a good one but one with unintentional consequences for your relationships (romantic or otherwise) with other characters.

Nothing bad gonna happens if wasn't chased other girls...
Well, except if Josy start her yandere arc and kill both of them with Bella axe because of unrequited love for the MC

 

[jd8097619]

Nothing bad gonna happens if wasn't chased other girls...
Well, except if Josy start her yandere arc and kill both of them with Bella axe because of unrequited love for the MC

Jill has serious links to money and ties to alumni and may not take a sudden rejection in this instance well down the line. Sage likewise has links to faculty who clearly have influence.

How it plays out is yet to be seen, but all have the potential to cause problems.

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

Jill has serious links to money and ties to alumni and may not take a sudden rejection in this instance well down the line. Sage likewise has links to faculty who clearly have influence.

How it plays out is yet to be seen, but all have the potential to cause problems.

Jill isn't that kind of person, and she wasn't raised that way. She can be provoked, and she'll stand up for herself, beating up a balls of a creepy British pervert and watermelon lover, but revenge, ruining the MCs life —no, that's not Jill. Moreover, she'll forgive him in time. She's too good a person to be evil.
Sage just beat a shit out of him.

 

[jd8097619]

She's too good a person to be evil.

Her responding in a way that is detrimental to Fuckface isn't "evil" necessarily. The fact is if you're in an exclusive relationship with her and then suddenly go back to your ex, she may regard that as having been going on already and you cheated on her which could lead to serious consequences.

 

[FalconLover420]

I never cheat on the Love interests, only in very specific runs to get the dialogue.

For example, I have a zoey specific to plow the smurf like snow in a canadian lot.

None of the girls deserve to get cheated on tbh

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

Her responding in a way that is detrimental to Fuckface isn't "evil" necessarily. The fact is if you're in an exclusive relationship with her and then suddenly go back to your ex, she may regard that as having been going on already and you cheated on her which could lead to serious consequences.

She will cry, be heartbroken, but I trust she not gonna do anything to him. The consequences will certainly eat away at MC. Bella won't respect him anymore, and neither will Sage, since she and Jill are friends.

 

[jd8097619]

She will cry, be heartbroken, but I trust she not gonna do anything to him. The consequences will certainly eat away at MC. Bella won't respect him anymore, and neither will Sage, since she and Jill are friends.

Which could all narratively come back to bite Fuckface and the DIKs badly.

Let's say Stephen tries to act against them to cover up what he's been doing. Thanks to breaking up with Jill and going back to Zoey you could potentially as a result lose key support including the daughter of a crucial alumni family, Stephen's adopted daughter who likely have access to stuff at his home that could incriminate him, and a serving member of the faculty who knows a lot of what the DIKs have been up to that breaks Campus rules.

 

[El_Magnifico]

I don't see the game going in the direction of "this character was secretly evil".

It has already be done

 

[Vill3m]

I didn't say that Zoey was evil for doing it, but the characterisation from the Interlude is that she put more emphasis on chasing her dreams than whatever she had with MC. IIRC she even mentions during the Interlude how she didn't regard it as serious as she presumes Fuckface did.

Regardless of whether she still thought about him or not, she was still happy to stop communicating with him (which is more than simply cutting down) until her dreams don't pan out and she comes back into the picture hoping to pick up where she left off but quickly finds that the MC has actually moved on pretty substantially.

It's true that after the passing of Zoey's grandma her main objective is to realise her dream, but she doesn't wish to end whatever she thinks she has with the MC. Zoey wants him to come with her. She's very sad that he can't but feels she has to do it for herself anyway, hoping to prepare a nest for both in San Diego that the MC can join as soon as he's graduated. After all, they've made plans to move away to some warm place together. Don't forget, Zoey is mourning fresh after the death of one of the dearest people in her life. It's not fair to expect someone in a distressed state to act reasonably, is it?

A very important scene of Zoey's story worth paying special attention to is the conversation with Bret while getting her first tattoo. It's during that scene where she reveals her version of their relationship, where Bret tells about his similar experience and how avoiding contact with Emma seemingly worked out perfectly well in the end (it didn't).

Zoey claims they're best friends who just happen to do what couples do (during the course of the story the players are constantly shown she's clearly lying to herself without realising it). She's unhappy about things being awkward between them, that the MC isn't very talkative (yes, it was actually the MC at first who didn't want to communicate and Zoey had to initiate conversations) or sharing her joy. Bret, telling about his own experience puts a thought in Zoey's head that perhaps the MC has deeper feelings. He tells about a similar story between him and Emma, how he stopped talking to her and how they're back to being best friends.

Zoey, with Bret's words in her mind and hoping she's doing the MC a favor, starts writing him less and less in the following months. However, she's not doing it happily and it hurts herself as well. For example, you can read in Zoey's diary how badly it affects her that the MC didn't send her birthday wishes (which must be around the time he changed his phone number).

Again, it's still a positioning that in most paths Fuckface does at least confirm there's dating going on, so most importantly it's Zoey finding out that Fuckface has likely moved on, and it's from then suddenly she not as chill as she was in the previous episode and is in fact wanting to declare her love.

Zoey doesn't want the MC back because of finding out he's in a relationship. When he tells about his relationships during ep10 hangout, Zoey is genuinely happy for him. After all, that's what she wanted him to do - move on and think less about her to spare his feelings. Upon returning home all Zoey hopes is to be on talking terms and hang out again, she even suspects he could be mad at her for what she did. It's only during the BBQ talk (which Zoey initiates as she's now more ready to talk about feelings as of her character arc) where the MC confesses his past feelings that makes Zoey reflect on their relationship and realise that she's also cared about him more than just friend all this time, and now she can't stop thinking about it and keep those feelings hidden from herself. It has nothing to do with the MC having a girlfriend or moving on in other ways.

This is what I don't like about Zoey's characterisation and is why I personally find her quite... well boring as a result. If her whole thing is simply two inexperienced teens who were or weren't fucking yet awkward around their feelings but now want to get together with Fuckface in the pursuit of love then how is that really all that different from say the throuple, Jill, or even Quinn? In my view DPC unfortunately brought her in too late and since then has involved her extremely little in the ongoing events of the game to the point many have joked about how she's basically been benched since the Interlude.

It's why I probably have the different read on her where she's unintentionally this relationship wrecker because of insecurities she has as that would actually be a unique characterisation for this game and lead to some interesting scenarios as a result. It could lead to interesting conflicts with other characters that actually hinders Fuckface in future episodes, see Zoey almost grow resentful now that she's got what she thought she wanted but in reality didn't etc.

If however she's just this "Fuckface's first love now realising she wants him too" true love trope then it's just going to be at the bottom of the list for me interest-wise.

Hey, I'm not trying to change anyone's opinion about Zoey. Whether another person loves or hates her, enjoys her story or finds it boring, that's totally fine by me. Unless someone tries to twist the story events and spread false information (whether it's due to bad memory, blind hate for a character or whatever) I don't care. It's not like someone disliking my favourite girl would somehow hinder my enjoyment of her story. Au contraire, it's actually quite entertaining how Zoey's haters can't stop thinking about her and feel the need to constantly remind everyone about it and their insecurities. It's especially fun when I succeed in triggering them even further (ain't that right, hammer boy and AI Nora? )

 

[d2dacameron]

It has already be done

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You right

Probably should have just said "We have enough villains already, the game is almost over!"

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

Which could all narratively come back to bite Fuckface and the DIKs badly.

Let's say Stephen tries to act against them to cover up what he's been doing. Thanks to breaking up with Jill and going back to Zoey you could potentially as a result lose key support including the daughter of a crucial alumni family, Stephen's adopted daughter who likely have access to stuff at his home that could incriminate him, and a serving member of the faculty who knows a lot of what the DIKs have been up to that breaks Campus rules.

The key word is "let's say." This theory is based on Stephen, but from what we know about him, this guy just wants to squeeze out as much money as possible from his wife's divorce and seizes every opportunity.
I had envisioned him as the power broker who plays from the shadows, but that role turned out to be Magnar.

 

[grarg]

Don't forget, Zoey is mourning fresh after the death of one of the dearest people in her life. It's not fair to expect someone in a distressed state to act reasonably, is it?

"I didn't mean to ruin everyone's life. After all, my grandma died."

Hey, I'm not trying to change anyone's opinion about Zoey. Whether another person loves or hates her, enjoys her story or finds it boring, that's totally fine by me. Unless someone tries to twist the story events and spread false information (whether it's due to bad memory, blind hate for a character or whatever) I don't care. It's not like someone disliking my favourite girl would somehow hinder my enjoyment of her story. Au contraire, it's actually quite entertaining how Zoey's haters can't stop thinking about her and feel the need to constantly remind everyone about it and their insecurities. It's especially fun when I succeed in triggering them even further (ain't that right, hammer boy and AI Nora? )

If you like mindless, poorly designed, artsy fartsy chicks, yeah Zoey's great. She's fine as a character. Dumb as a main character or interlude in this story. Ridiculous as being placed into this late in the story that blows all progress to hell for melodrama. "I don't care, choose me." Wow, DPC.

I easily mute people who annoy me. I don't mind people liking any fictional character, provided how they do it is not retarded -- and those have been muted. They know who they are, because they're still doing it. Better Cock Spock is at least jovial and entertaining, with a vast array of media to make points.

The fact that you take joy from people who disagree with you, triggering you? Grow up, fap boy. That's some grade school stuff you need to deal with. Let's just assume you're being facetious and have a normal, fulfilling life. I come on here to waste time and laugh at weirdos. The latest one: Bella being an MJ Heisenberg, or Lily teaming up with Quinn to fight Buddy...every week on here is goofier than reddit. And now you claiming it's okay cause grandma died?

 

[TonyMurray]

If you like mindless, poorly designed, artsy fartsy chicks, yeah Zoey's great. She's Zoey fine as a character. Dumb as a main character or interlude in this story. Ridiculous as being placed into this late in the story that blows all progress to hell for melodrama. "I don't care, choose me." Wow, DPC.

I disagree purely because I think Zoey is a decent character (no better or worse than most of the rest of the cast) and tattoos aside, I don't think she's poorly designed at all (the "mindless" and "artsy fartsy" bits are just projection of opinion, so don't need addressing). The bit about being ridiculously placed late in the story etc., is itself ridiculous though, as she was always there. She was discussed early on and it was clear that she had made a big impact on MC both in her time with him and also in leaving him after her personal tragedy. If anything, that probably telegraphed her later return into MC's life and therefore into the game as a full character, as opposed to just a narrative device.

 

[Vega101]

My suspicion is based on previous DPC game, i know his tactics. You don't expect a treason from a character until it's opened, and shit comes from where you least expect it. So I have a little grain of salt in trusting Sally, she's becoming interested in partying with DIKs and HOTs, getting closer to a character she can't stand.
You can tell she's actually like MC but was in a rejection with all this showing off "I can't stand it", a now she's warming to him. I have doubts.

Thanks, Mr. Witcher, I'll keep that in mind

All the information about Sally is already revealed in the game; I didn't even make anything up.
Facts: She attended all of the Dicks' parties. She's actually not very smart academically; her chemistry lessons confirm this. She used to date Magnar, and at a dorm party, Tremolo notices that she's having relationship problems.
Party Planning #3 (ep11) - She says the "Tri-Betas" no longer help her. Starting with the Halloween party, it's clear she's genuinely interested in Tremolo: cocktails. Help with his costume. She learned that Tremolo is a science major. She's interested in gossip about the main characters. She suggests they collaborate on a report. Everything becomes clear in Lyon's room.
From this, we can conclude that Sally used to receive help with Magnar's notes because she's his girlfriend and was spying on the Dicks (she helped hack DIK's laptop remotely). Then they stopped helping her, and a conflict with Ron arises. Her current friends are Karen, Tremolo, and Quinn. She no longer participates in Magnar's plans.

Quinn will never betray Tremolo. Like many other Tremolo fans, she's always on the hero's side.
Even if the main character is a CHICK, Sage says Quinn can't stop talking about the main character, and she doesn't talk about anyone that much, especially guys. She cares about a stoned Tremolo on the roof.
She worries when Vinnie threatens Tremolo with a gun.
Karen and Cinderella are also closet fans. They constantly stare at Tremolo. The other open fans are Sandy, Camila, Mel, Riona, and others.
Zoya and Lily don't know what's going on in their heads. If we reject Zoe, I think she'll become a female Derek. It's just friendship. Although her line, "I don't care about your girlfriend, choose me," is scary.

Top characters who are in love with the main character:
1. Josie the Shrimp
2. Jill
3. Sage - if we're playing the route in which she says "ILY" to him in episode 11.
4. Quinn

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

Thanks, Mr. Witcher, I'll keep that in mind

All the information about Sally is already revealed in the game; I didn't even make anything up.
Facts: She attended all of the Dicks' parties. She's actually not very smart academically; her chemistry lessons confirm this. She used to date Magnar, and at a dorm party, Tremolo notices that she's having relationship problems.
Party Planning #3 (ep11) - She says the "Tri-Betas" no longer help her. Starting with the Halloween party, it's clear she's genuinely interested in Tremolo: cocktails. Help with his costume. She learned that Tremolo is a science major. She's interested in gossip about the main characters. She suggests they collaborate on a report. Everything becomes clear in Lyon's room.
From this, we can conclude that Sally used to receive help with Magnar's notes because she's his girlfriend and was spying on the Dicks (she helped hack DIK's laptop remotely). Then they stopped helping her, and a conflict with Ron arises. Her current friends are Karen, Tremolo, and Quinn. She no longer participates in Magnar's plans.

Quinn will never betray Tremolo. Like many other Tremolo fans, she's always on the hero's side.
Even if the main character is a CHICK, Sage says Quinn can't stop talking about the main character, and she doesn't talk about anyone that much, especially guys. She cares about a stoned Tremolo on the roof.
She worries when Vinnie threatens Tremolo with a gun.
Karen and Cinderella are also closet fans. They constantly stare at Tremolo. The other open fans are Sandy, Camila, Mel, Riona, and others.
Zoya and Lily don't know what's going on in their heads. If we reject Zoe, I think she'll become a female Derek. It's just friendship. Although her line, "I don't care about your girlfriend, choose me," is scary.

Top characters who are in love with the main character:
1. Josie the Shrimp
2. Jill
3. Sage - if we're playing the route in which she says "ILY" to him in episode 11.
4. Quinn

This is all explicit information, known to us from observation (except for the guess that Sally previously helped Magnar with a sabotage). But I'm thinking about hidden things and I sense a catch. What if Sally is simply pretending and carrying out a task now - infiltration, gaining trust, and subversion? The coincidence is too suspicious: she's getting closer to the communities at a time when Magnar and Ron are escalating their black ops, while she's fallen out with the nerds and Magnar. And he mentioned a backup plan. This is a guess, not 100% fact - the warmed-up Sally is a much more pleasant person, and I'd like to be wrong. Maybe I'm making things up, ofc. Because in general i expected more - but the main antagonist seems to be just an angry vengeful nerd.

1. Josie the Shrimp

Ha-ha, Shrimp? Guys, he's one of us!

 

[FalconLover420]

I disagree purely because I think Zoey is a decent character (no better or worse than most of the rest of the cast) and tattoos aside, I don't think she's poorly designed at all (the "mindless" and "artsy fartsy" bits are just projection of opinion, so don't need addressing). The bit about being ridiculously placed late in the story etc., is itself ridiculous though, as she was always there. She was discussed early on and it was clear that she had made a big impact on MC both in her time with him and also in leaving him after her personal tragedy. If anything, that probably telegraphed her later return into MC's life and therefore into the game as a full character, as opposed to just a narrative device.

I agree that zoey is a decent character and after playing the others solely for zoey, it felt like the tattoos is basically zoey's expression (She cool too). My only gripe when it comes to zoey is how DPC basically handled her situation.

Now I seen people go "haha cheating on sage with Zoey durrr (I seen zoners and reddit do this - the people know who they are)", but this comes with the placement of her arc when you already locked in a route that took you about 10 episodes to complete and the lack of control in your character to handle the situation. I always reference this scene but the camp scene where your character basically confesses to zoey about his feelings despite being in a relationship, there is no choice about letting go or confessing to zoey essentially nipping the drama at the bud.

Now the counter argument would be you get that choice in EP11 at the panty party, however I find that scene in pretty poor taste because if you are being amicable with zoey in terms of trying to keep her as a friend and with the confession in the campfire and the forced hangout in EP11 . It felt like Tremolo was leading her on instead of letting her know about his situation.
On the path of the LI, he says "we are dating but not dating" (<- like wtf does this mean?) during the lynette diary scene

 

[Vega101]

Why Mona? She left.
Why Zoey? She left, you can play her, and then came back.
Why did DPC put anyone in?

Your opinion is fanfiction.


Outside of LI? There's no plot. MC likes science regardless of the (optional) mini-games.



You know when you have murderous thoughts? Same with the schizo thoughts. You should probably talk to someone about that.



It's a locked room. It's private.

Hmm...what's the point of a childless woman who lost her husband who (supposedly) built a children's room to lock it, in her parents house? What possible symbolism could we get here?

The simple answer is storage. It has random, potentially weird stuff in it, like a mannequin, or just boots, hence why it was opened for Christmas, implying decorations, like a gnome with a name.

It's unlocked because it's time to open the door. The obvious answer is Bella was forgetful in locking in.

Why Mona? She left.
Why Zoey? She left, you can play her, and then came back.
Why did DPC put anyone in?

Your opinion is fanfiction.


Outside of LI? There's no plot. MC likes science regardless of the (optional) mini-games.



You know when you have murderous thoughts? Same with the schizo thoughts. You should probably talk to someone about that.



It's a locked room. It's private.

Hmm...what's the point of a childless woman who lost her husband who (supposedly) built a children's room to lock it, in her parents house? What possible symbolism could we get here?

The simple answer is storage. It has random, potentially weird stuff in it, like a mannequin, or just boots, hence why it was opened for Christmas, implying decorations, like a gnome with a name.

It's unlocked because it's time to open the door. The obvious answer is Bella was forgetful in locking in.

In this game, you don't need to look for "hidden meanings" like "he locks the children's room, which means he cares about the children."
It's a 3D game. All the objects the author places in the scenes serve a purpose:
1. For beauty
2. To hint at the future plot, so the player can play detective. For example, he hung Italian paintings in the Snobs' mansion so the player could figure out who is Jill's father and who is Sage's father at the party. Playing Episode 4, you can figure everything out yourself based on these scattered objects. You apparently aren't paying close attention.
3. For jokes - the game genre is comedy. For example, a bottle of Funny Bullet Vodka.
A comedy, not a drama about Bella's miscarriages (oh my god). For the same reason, James isn't in a coma in the locked room. It would be stupid for Bella to love Tremolo while her husband is locked in the next room.

There was no "mannequin" in Bella's house. Didn't you get that? Just like James isn't a soldier.
My "fanfiction" is based on facts within the game, not on your fantasies about Bella needing a place to store her things and letting that room be a closet. The game's main twist, which we've been working toward for over five years, is the closet room. Bravo!

Mona has already played out her storyline. Remember that chess thing. Quinn gave up Mona as a pawn when she became inconvenient for her. She also traded Maya for her pawn.
Mona is needed to show how Quinn works with her girls. That her methods are blackmail. So that it's as legal as possible and Quinn herself doesn't show up in her schemes. Also, to show that Quinn can't influence Lily. There's no incriminating evidence. And that pisses her off. Quinn has information on everyone she works with. At first, she even uses Tremolo, but then she lets me in on her plans.
Every character in the game plays a role in Quinn's game.

 

[Vega101]

This is all explicit information, known to us from observation (except for the guess that Sally previously helped Magnar with a sabotage). But I'm thinking about hidden things and I sense a catch. What if Sally is simply pretending and carrying out a task now - infiltration, gaining trust, and subversion? The coincidence is too suspicious: she's getting closer to the communities at a time when Magnar and Ron are escalating their black ops, while she's fallen out with the nerds and Magnar. And he mentioned a backup plan. This is a guess, not 100% fact - the warmed-up Sally is a much more pleasant person, and I'd like to be wrong. Maybe I'm making things up, ofc. Because in general i expected more - but the main antagonist seems to be just an angry vengeful nerd.


Ha-ha, Shrimp? Guys, he's one of us!
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Magnar is simply a resentful teenager who's been bullied his entire life. Ron is the same way, but Magnar is the leader of the operation.
While Magnar isn't as dumb as the jocks, his goal is simply revenge and to cause even more discord among the fraternities. Magnar also spends a lot of time studying, not pursuing his own plans. He has a motive, but no experience playing chess with Quinn. Quinn has been surviving her entire life. Tremolo will simply run over Magnar in this battle once he's gathered more information. And he's actively digging into everyone to clear himself of the email story.
What's Magnar's plan? All he's come up with is hacking all the electronics and leaking secrets. Bert and Eugene are filming the incriminating evidence with a drone.
Sally doesn't follow Tremolo because she doesn't ask him any questions. She doesn't try to spend as much time with Tremolo at parties as possible. She doesn't try to seduce him. Her interest is hidden. I don't believe she's a spy. More likely, she'll be a double agent, leaking all of Magnar's plans to get revenge and clear her own reputation.