VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[Roger-a-Dale]

I'm guessing you are kidding, because that's just not true.
She doesn't walk arounds campus in her underwear.
She went over to the DIK house in clothes, and then took them off in Tommy's room.
DPC wouldn't render that without a reason - he knows damn well what the players would think seeing that.

First of all it's a flashback scene and we don't know what she was wearing before. Second of all ep 11 had a panty party, so partying in your underwear is not a big deal at B&R. Third Elena is in her underwear at every party. Fourth Quinn is enough of an exhibitionist to fuck on the roof and slip it in during a cum-petition in a room full of people.

The only reason Quinn needs for being in her underwear is a whim. She's twenty and quite possibly drunk and high.

Also it's an early episode. DPC had Dawe throw a can at Cathy's head and get away with it.

 

[Bozeman75]

First of all it's a flashback scene and we don't know what she was wearing before. Second of all ep 11 had a panty party, so partying in your underwear is not a big deal at B&R. Third Elena is in her underwear at every party. Fourth Quinn is enough of an exhibitionist to fuck on the roof and slip it in during a cum-petition in a room full of people.

The only reason Quinn needs for being in her underwear is a whim. She's twenty and quite possibly drunk and high.

Also it's an early episode. DPC had Dawe throw a can at Cathy's head and get away with it.

Sorry, but you're reaching. Unless you are suggesting she went to the DIK house just wearing underwear, she was wearing clothes and took them off.
Wearing underwear at a panty party makes sense.
That wasn't the case in Tommy's room.
There is no situation where Quinn walks around in her underwear for no reason.

Your entire rationale for Quinn being in Tommy's room in just her underwear is: well, that's Quinn.

But that isn't Quinn. She doesn't do that anywhere else in the game.
The obvious and most likely reason is that she and Tommy have sex.
Anything else is just trying to fit a square peg in a round hole because people don't want to believe that Quinn and Tommy had sex, in spite of what the game strongly suggests.
Again - why else would DPC have her be in just her underwear there? He doesn't do that with Quinn elsewhere in the game - just have her walking around outside her home in her underwear.
He wouldn't put her in just underwear for no reason, he doesn't do that.

 

[Roger-a-Dale]

Sorry, but you're reaching. Unless you are suggesting she went to the DIK house just wearing underwear, she was wearing clothes and took them off.
Wearing underwear at a panty party makes sense.
That wasn't the case in Tommy's room.
There is no situation where Quinn walks around in her underwear for no reason.

Your entire rationale for Quinn being in Tommy's room in just her underwear is: well, that's Quinn.

But that isn't Quinn. She doesn't do that anywhere else in the game.
The obvious and most likely reason is that she and Tommy have sex.
Anything else is just trying to fit a square peg in a round hole because people don't want to believe that Quinn and Tommy had sex, in spite of what the game strongly suggests.
Again - why else would DPC have her be in just her underwear there? He doesn't do that with Quinn elsewhere in the game - just have her walking around outside her home in her underwear.
He wouldn't put her in just underwear for no reason, he doesn't do that.

No you are the one who is reaching. You apply prudish thinking to Quinn when she is shown to be very much opposite to that. Can you prove that she was neither drunk nor high in that scene and thus likely to do something on a whim? On what basis do you insist that she couldn't have purely on a whim have stripped down to her underwear?

You also obviously don't get my stance here. Unless evidence is conclusive I default to the "we don't know" position in regards to any claim and here the evidence is not conclusive. It's possible that Tommy and Quinn have had sex at some point, but Quinn being in her underwear doesn't prove it happened at that time or that it happened on a regular basis.

And one very strong piece of evidence against Tommy and Quinn fucking on a regular basis is the massive difference between Tommy's reactions to finding out MC fucked Quinn and finding out someone fucked Heather.

 

[Bozeman75]

No you are the one who is reaching. You apply prudish thinking to Quinn when she is shown to be very much opposite to that. Can you prove that she was neither drunk nor high in that scene and thus likely to do something on a whim? On what basis do you insist that she couldn't have purely on a whim have stripped down to her underwear?

You also obviously don't get my stance here. Unless evidence is conclusive I default to the "we don't know" position in regards to any claim and here the evidence is not conclusive. It's possible that Tommy and Quinn have had sex at some point, but Quinn being in her underwear doesn't prove it happened at that time or that it happened on a regular basis.

And one very strong piece of evidence against Tommy and Quinn fucking on a regular basis is the massive difference between Tommy's reactions to finding out MC fucked Quinn and finding out someone fucked Heather.

I agree that the evidence is not conclusive.
My argument was that the most likely scenario is that they had sex, since Quinn isn't shown to get down to her underwear in guys rooms anywhere else in the game or that she likes to get naked when drunk or high. (Except when having sex.)

And Tommy reacting the way he did to finding out that MC fucked Quinn just shows that Tommy has feelings for Quinn, more than he has for Heather.
That easily fits into Quinn fucking him once, or even more than once casually, but not having any feelings for him and so he is crazy jealous because he likes her and she doesn't give a shit about him.
That also explains why he wouldn't say anything about fucking her - since she doesn't give a shit about him that would just make him look bad and weak.

But ultimately we won't know because it doesn't seem like it's going to come up and be explained anywhere.
Any by the way, it isn't that I want to believe Quinn fucked Tommy - I really don't. It makes me less interested in her route.
Frankly, I was hoping you could convince me otherwise
I'm just looking at what the game shows us and believe that DPC wouldn't render her like that in a scene for no reason.

 

[Darkwen]

Oh Josy my love your kisses are the sweetest
Alady Alady

 

[19Castiel23]

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Oh Josy my love your kisses are the sweetest
Alady Alady

Josy is yours, Josy's mother Iris is mine

 

[Roger-a-Dale]

I agree that the evidence is not conclusive.
My argument was that the most likely scenario is that they had sex, since Quinn isn't shown to get down to her underwear in guys rooms anywhere else in the game or that she likes to get naked when drunk or high. (Except when having sex.)

And Tommy reacting the way he did to finding out that MC fucked Quinn just shows that Tommy has feelings for Quinn, more than he has for Heather.
That easily fits into Quinn fucking him once, or even more than once casually, but not having any feelings for him and so he is crazy jealous because he likes her and she doesn't give a shit about him.
That also explains why he wouldn't say anything about fucking her - since she doesn't give a shit about him that would just make him look bad and weak.

But ultimately we won't know because it doesn't seem like it's going to come up and be explained anywhere.
Any by the way, it isn't that I want to believe Quinn fucked Tommy - I really don't. It makes me less interested in her route.
Frankly, I was hoping you could convince me otherwise
I'm just looking at what the game shows us and believe that DPC wouldn't render her like that in a scene for no reason.

Well Quinn is shown to be impulsive at times and those impulses have been sexual. I really don't see how this is not a plausible explanation. I'd say it's more reasonable to demand evidence that she wouldn't do that than to demand evidence that she would. And not seeing her do it is absence of evidence not evidence of absence. Quinn is not shy about showing her body. It's emotional affection that's broccoli to her.

Tommy's reaction makes way more sense if Quinn is something he can't have. On some level he realises he has no right to be possessive. If they have had sex it was entirely on Quinn's terms. In other words it happened for money or it was one of Quinn's whims.

And if you insist that Quinn being in her underwear was seduction and there has to be a reason sex didn't happen then maybe Quinn was trying to get Tommy to buy, but when his pride wouldn't pay for pussy she switched to selling drugs. Or maybe it's just her experience that it's easier to get a guy like Tommy to try out a new drug if she spices up the offer with something sexy like being in her underwear. Or she was just being a tease.

 

[Roger-a-Dale]

Josy is yours, Josy's mother Iris is mine

You are going to be Darkwen's step-dad-in-law?

 

[Darkwen]

Josy is yours, Josy's mother Iris is mine

deal

 

[19Castiel23]

You are going to be Darkwen's step-dad-in-law?

 

[treechild1]

Well Quinn is shown to be impulsive at times and those impulses have been sexual. I really don't see how this is not a plausible explanation. I'd say it's more reasonable to demand evidence that she wouldn't do that than to demand evidence that she would. And not seeing her do it is absence of evidence not evidence of absence. Quinn is not shy about showing her body. It's emotional affection that's broccoli to her.

Tommy's reaction makes way more sense if Quinn is something he can't have. On some level he realises he has no right to be possessive. If they have had sex it was entirely on Quinn's terms. In other words it happened for money or it was one of Quinn's whims.

And if you insist that Quinn being in her underwear was seduction and there has to be a reason sex didn't happen then maybe Quinn was trying to get Tommy to buy, but when his pride wouldn't pay for pussy she switched to selling drugs. Or maybe it's just her experience that it's easier to get a guy like Tommy to try out a new drug if she spices up the offer with something sexy like being in her underwear. Or she was just being a tease.

Not that I really want to weigh in on this, but aren’t Heather (and others) almost always in the room (passed out)? I mean, if we really wanted to make background stuff up (for those with unfortunate sensitivities) maybe Tommy gets off watching? Why do we have to assume Quinn has to be there for Tommy and not for her sorority girls instead? Are we going to be upset if Quinn diddled and fiddled lots and lots of girls in the past too? Personally, I never gave any of this any thought. Wasn’t important, didn’t care. Hell, many of them were sunbathing topless with Alphas around in episode 1. It’s never been realistic. Btw, I’m not hateful or angry or whatevs, I just don’t get all the worry about things that do not matter.

 

[rapiidz1]

At the end of episode 8 you'll have the option to choose who do you want to start a relationship with. You can also choose to stay single and keep playing the field. But only if you are on Sage's or Bella's path, I think.

Ooooooook cause every time I try I always see everyones name on there but never like other or single. So like I have a playthrough for everyone just no single route

 

[Roger-a-Dale]

Not that I really want to weigh in on this, but aren’t Heather (and others) almost always in the room (passed out)? I mean, if we really wanted to make background stuff up (for those with unfortunate sensitivities) maybe Tommy gets off watching? Why do we have to assume Quinn has to be there for Tommy and not for her sorority girls instead? Are we going to be upset if Quinn diddled and fiddled lots and lots of girls in the past too? Personally, I never gave any of this any thought. Wasn’t important, didn’t care. Hell, many of them were sunbathing topless with Alphas around in episode 1. It’s never been realistic. Btw, I’m not hateful or angry or whatevs, I just don’t get all the worry about things that do not matter.

I'm not arguing this with a bias. On a purely objective basis I see "they must have had sex" as a poor argument. I'm not a fan of NTR, but I don't decry every hint of an LI having had sexual experiences as NTR either.

 

[Roger-a-Dale]

Ooooooook cause every time I try I always see everyones name on there but never like other or single. So like I have a playthrough for everyone just no single route

Well to have the main girl paths open at ep 8 you have to make certain choices. The Others path is a bit different. You have to do things for the specific side girls to have their content on the Others path, but the path itself is open until it gets blocked either by the Josy & Maya path or by the Jill path.

So don't activate the throuple at ep 4 and don't go to the picnic with Jill.

 

[EEMNHMQI]

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so he is bella husband?

No, that's some moving company guy

 

[Bozeman75]

I'm not arguing this with a bias. On a purely objective basis I see "they must have had sex" as a poor argument. I'm not a fan of NTR, but I don't decry every hint of an LI having had sexual experiences as NTR either.

I am definitely not crying NTR, that's silly.
I just think Quinn having fucked Tommy makes more sense.
- it fits her personality as someone who's casual about sex.
- it fits the scene we are shown in the game.
- it fully explains why Tommy is so jealous if she fucked him casually once but then just ignored him after. He wanted more and she didn't, but now he sees her getting close to the MC.

I am not worked up about the scene. I assumed it just showed her and Tommy in a drugs and sex session when I first saw it.
I just saw the debate on here and found it interesting - I'm all for a good, respectful, well reasoned debate.

But we can't know and both stances are plausible, I just think my stance makes more sense.
I enjoyed the respectful back and forth with Roger and am happy to agree to disagree.

 

[El_Magnifico]

You don't address her being in her underwear in Tommy's room. Being in her underwear in her own room is far different to that.
There is no reason for that if she is just giving him drugs.

Either:
1. She is in her underwear because they are having sex.
2. DPC wants us to think they are having sex, for some reason.

Why else make the scene and put her in just underwear?

I was about to respond but Roger-a-Dale already explained everything better. Tommy is fully dressed and about to take the injection while Heather is seen on the background lying naked on his bed. If they fucked before taking the injection why did Quinn & Tommy bother to put their clothes and underwear back on ? And after taking the stinge I doubt they were in condition to fuck.

Once again, if DPC wanted to tell that Tommy has fucked Quinn he would have written unambiguous and direct lines or scene like he did with Riona and Jaime, Quinn & Vinny or Nick & Heather. Instead Tommy is clearly written as jealous and stuck in the friendzone. Simple example. When we saw to pair of legs in episode 8 at the start of episode, Tommy later confirmed explicitely twice it was Heather and Tania. There's no place for doubt or speculation. Why not doing something that explicit with Quinn like him mentioning he banged her in the past or directly showing her naked in his bed ? Like previously said, DPC isn't afraid to tell you when a girl had an thing with other guys.

Thus no, there's still no evidence that he did and the way he has been written clearly tend to show the opposite.

 

[El_Magnifico]

That would at least have given Zoey something aside from sucking oxygen. Considering her MC status in her own episode. (We still don't know of the narrative relevance of the Interlude aside from giving us useless backstory of some other character. Hell, if we're doing that, it should've been Mona.) But nope, it's 100% for the MC. Hopefully, that will change with the rejection. Which should happen with the other MGs paths you're not on.

Come on. I'm sure that DPC has others things in mind that just introduce Zoey as an obstacle for you love interest path.

 

[Bozeman75]

I was about to respond but Roger-a-Dale already explained everything better. Tommy is fully dressed and about to take the injection while Heather is seen on the background lying naked on his bed. If they fucked before taking the injection why did Quinn & Tommy bother to put their clothes and underwear back on ? And after taking the stinge I doubt they were in condition to fuck.

Once again, if DPC wanted to tell that Tommy has fucked Quinn he would have written unambiguous and direct lines or scene like he did with Riona and Jaime, Quinn & Vinny or Nick & Heather. Instead Tommy is clearly written as jealous and stuck in the friendzone. Simple example. When we saw to pair of legs in episode 8 at the start of episode, Tommy later confirmed explicitely twice it was Heather and Tania. There's no place for doubt or speculation. Why not doing something that explicit with Quinn like him mentioning he banged her in the past or directly showing her naked in his bed ? Like previously said, DPC isn't afraid to tell you when a girl had an thing with other guys.

Thus no, there's still no evidence that he did and the way he has been written clearly tend to show the opposite.

I'm not going to get into it again, just point out that nothing you say explains why DPC chose to have Quinn remove her clothes and be in her underwear in that scene. (Yes, we are not shown her removing her clothes but I don't think anyone is suggesting she traveled to the DIK house to deliver drugs in just her underwear.)
The only explanation you/Roger give is "that's just Quinn".
She may have had sex with Heather in that scene, that could explain why Heather is naked on the bed and Quinn is in her underwear and Tommy is clothed in the chair.
I just don't accept that DPC put her in her underwear in that scene for absolutely no reason.

But again - we can all disagree.
I absolutely respect that both of you probably know the game better than I do.

 

[grarg]

Come on. I'm sure that DPC has others things in mind that just introduce Zoey as an obstacle for you love interest path.

As I have said about Zoey, she has to play catchup, and not just in the intimacy department. Unless we say her Interlude was some kind of insight into her character (arguably), it ultimately amounted to: 1) Wants Tremolo back, 2) Got stupid ambitions out of her system, 3) Destruction of anything in her way.

She's -- in terms of development -- a done deal. Inventing new conflicts with her is going feel tacked on.

Her introduction, function, development could've been handled a lot better. As in, not being a future home wrecker, or defeating the entire purpose of the AVN. It could've been that fantastic "if you played the game wrong" default option, similar to a frat brother who's just the nicest guy on campus, but has a huge emotional hangup, always pointing to the girl he lost in his past, but never telling anyone. Zoey and Trem could've found themselves all over again. DPC didn't use that trope properly.

Would've been a great redemption arc, finding each other, etc. Now? Who knows.

• "I'm going into visual design."
• "Look at my pierced tits."
• "My new hair color could be chartreuse to go along with my women's studies."

Wow.

As for a non-paired up Zoey? Probably not much else. She should be playing her continued old-flame role, but who knows how DPC is going to handle even more rejections on Others, as even more women are introduced into this Bloated Milk Machine.