VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[LoDoN-]

Most people prefer to avoid drama, so I'd guess when the HOTs decided to go to the other party the girls just evaded the topic, I mean no one wanna be the messenger with the bad news. It's kinda awkward and complicates stuff, if there's anything they don't like most likely it's awkward and complicated stuff.

That would be a huge plot contrive tho. Helena who is joined by the hip with John-boy said nothing when Sage just came party time and told them they were going to a different party? Heather who is very clearly in love with Tommy, said nothing to him, when she knows how much initiation means to Tommy? Like I'm not asking for them to go running and tell on Sage, but come on. Helena would at least send a message to John-boy saying something about having to go to a party at the Preps during the initiation party, so would Heather, Maya and Josy wouldn't know anything until they got their phones striped, but it's just to much of a contrivance to me.

Either Sage is just playing dumb and they were meant to leave the DiK's hanging in the air, which would make sense on why Quinn is taking the heat since that being the scape-goat would be a show of trust to Sage, and Sage does trust a hell of a lot in Quinn. We do see them discussing not going to the party at the Car-wash, so how come this whole time it remained a secret? No HoT knew (at least not Helena, Heather, Maya, or Josy) until they were unavailable? It really tickles my dingleberry man.

Anyway, I would like to toss the blame on Quinn as much as the next guy, but this is at the very least a HoT fuck-up, if not malicious in nature (getting paid to leave the DiK's hanging), and Sage is the main culprit, she is the President she has the responsibility, and she is incapable of picking a fucking phone and calling Rusty? Come on... For the first time, it seems Quinn is being a good VP and taking the heat personally over the sorority.

Conversation:
Sage: Girls we are going to a party with the preps, dress fancy.
Helena: Wait let me just tell John-boy we won't be making his party.

Boom Secret is out. Alternatively:

Sage: Girls we are going to the prep party, dress fancy.
Heather: Does Tommy know of this, initiation means a lot to him.

I feel something is fishy, just saying.

 

[GS523523]

Quick question: are the episodes self-contained, or do they all end on a cliff-hanger like a Telltale game? How about the seasons?

I'm asking because I generally don't enjoy playing these kinds of games when the story is cut off halfway through.

 

[ChipLecsap]

Quick question: are the episodes self-contained, or do they all end on a cliff-hanger like a Telltale game? How about the seasons?

I'm asking because I generally don't enjoy playing these kinds of games when the story is cut off halfway through.

Yeah, it's like the Telltale game. or a tv show.

 

[ename144]

It seems that way doesn't it. My general impression is that progress seems a bit more sluggish for ep 8 so far though. I don't know if that's just because I'm getting more hyped up with every ep development cycle and more hungry for news, or if he's hit some kind of genuine block somewhere, but my recollection of the updates for ep 7 are that there was a lot more info by this stage, he really seemed to hit the ground running with it. He still has to be aiming for October at the latest though, surely?

The thing is that we just don't know how far along development is. DPC has decided not to crank out renders at top speed, but that doesn't mean he's been idle. Episode 7 spent most of the final month of development with renders largely complete while DPC finished other features. It's quite possible he's trying to finish those non-render tasks earlier this time. But it's also possible he's focusing on other tasks (like preparing Season 2 for Steam) and progress on the actual episode is just slower than Episode 7. With no meaningful metrics, there's no way to tell.

For now, I think we'll just have to set reasonable expectations and hope for the best until we finally get some meaningful data.

I’m feeling left out of today’s discussions so I’m gonna weigh in with my own theories.

Does anyone else think Jill’s horse is actually the step-father of MC’s grandfather’s champion racing dog?

I mean. The horse exists... the rest I’m just extrapolating. The implications are staggering though. How did a horse end up raising a dog? Some animals have been known to “adopt” other species young.

Looking at the horse it’s about old enough to care for a puppy. Dogs live 10+ years depending on the breed. Nothing in the story specifically says MC’s Grandfather didn’t raise racing dogs and he has a track record of things under his care running off to be with someone else.

Discuss.

That's a ridiculous theory! I'm very disappointed in you, Mindern.

Jill's horse is obviously the step-mother of the MC's grandfather's champion racing dog.

that without a doubt

but the contrast remains between how much she is willing to trust her two main tormentors, and how much she finds it difficult to trust MC, whose every revelation seems to require a test to be passed.

Of course she trusts Quinn mainly out of desperation, but that the mistrust that Quinn deserves should be paid for by MC is, let's say, not the best.

As if trust is a finite resource and since she has to give it undeservedly to Quinn, then she can't give it deservedly to MC as well.

it is a constant in every dialogue between them to ask each other for sincerity and always to grant only a piece of it, and this constancy, personally but I don't think it was just my feeling, has created a general climate of distrust, whatever Maya says, I expect there is something more

Most of the time it's been revelations about the loan issue (which I could have done without) but other times it's been important passages, most recently the issue of the room key.

For example, we know that she was at home for a family lunch in the last chapter, so I assume that during this lunch something happened, something that will be revealed from here on.

I don't really think that's a valid comparison. Maya never told Quinn about her relationship with Josy, or why she needed the money, but she was about to tell the MC when Josy arrived. Maya's "trust" for Quinn is really just a result of having no alternative to doing what Quinn says.

Her trust in her father is at least a little stronger since she did sign the "student loan" without reading it, but she clearly views that as a mistake in retrospect. Again, though, it's not clear how much trust she puts in her dad's plan to inform Derek before he visits because what options did Maya have if she disbelieved him? In fact, right after Derek told her about being informed, Maya was resolute that she needed to get the free tuition ASAP to avoid having to trust her father.

In short, I think you're comparing apples and oranges here. Maya was slow to trust the MC with her deepest, most painful secrets. She was much faster to trust her dad and Quinn, but only with things Maya had no practical way to avoid trusting them (and she was reluctant to trust her dad even that far).

I think DPC sure as hell intends for her to be a regular thing, no way he sets up the whole VIP pass/“Text you when I’m available” for a one episode thing. Game explicitly drops a forth wall break to tell you she will be available during certain free roam events.

That said, in my opinion she’s kinda superfluous. It comes across like he needed something to make the VIP pass worth a damn, make winning hell week worth something and Madame Whatever was spat out without impacting the plot.

Personal opinion... she’s like the Cathy/Jade dreams. A vehicle to get porn into the game with no real impact on the plot. But I agree DPC has every intention of her being a regular feature. I could be wrong... but the game didn’t need another stripper. Didn’t need anyone else from the pink rose for the MC to fuck. In my opinion Madame brings nothing new to the table other than porn scenes.

Well, I wouldn't put Madame's scenes quite at the level of those Jade/Cathy dreams (which can rot in AVN hell where they belong), but I otherwise agree. We needed another stripper like Arieth needed fewer inhibitions. At least give Brandi the job, the poor girl might as well be invisible!

DPC really should have just added more exclusive content with the existing Pink Rose girls, but he was probably worried about needing to account for extra variables in future Pink Rose scenes. Which is fancy way of saying he needs to make sure winning the VIP pass is as meaningless as possible. $10 well spent, Rusty.

That would be a huge plot contrive tho. Helena who is joined by the hip with John-boy said nothing when Sage just came party time and told them they were going to a different party? Heather who is very clearly in love with Tommy, said nothing to him, when she knows how much initiation means to Tommy? Like I'm not asking for them to go running and tell on Sage, but come on. Helena would at least send a message to John-boy saying something about having to go to a party at the Preps during the initiation party, so would Heather, Maya and Josy wouldn't know anything until they got their phones striped, but it's just to much of a contrivance to me.

Either Sage is just playing dumb and they were meant to leave the DiK's hanging in the air, which would make sense on why Quinn is taking the heat since that being the scape-goat would be a show of trust to Sage, and Sage does trust a hell of a lot in Quinn. We do see them discussing not going to the party at the Car-wash, so how come this whole time it remained a secret? No HoT knew (at least not Helena, Heather, Maya, or Josy) until they were unavailable? It really tickles my dingleberry man.

Anyway, I would like to toss the blame on Quinn as much as the next guy, but this is at the very least a HoT fuck-up, if not malicious in nature (getting paid to leave the DiK's hanging), and Sage is the main culprit, she is the President she has the responsibility, and she is incapable of picking a fucking phone and calling Rusty? Come on... For the first time, it seems Quinn is being a good VP and taking the heat personally over the sorority.

Conversation:
Sage: Girls we are going to a party with the preps, dress fancy.
Helena: Wait let me just tell John-boy we won't be making his party.

Boom Secret is out. Alternatively:

Sage: Girls we are going to the prep party, dress fancy.
Heather: Does Tommy know of this, initiation means a lot to him.

I feel something is fishy, just saying.

I'm not seeing the problem here. First, we don't really know if the rank-and-file HOTs normally know what their upcoming events are; it wouldn't shock me to learn most of them just go with the flow.

Second and more importantly, there weren't many opportunities to tell anyone. Sage confirmed the changed plans during the car wash, which was at most about 8 hours before the party began. I doubt the other girls would be told before then. There wasn't a lot of warning. And once the other girls learned, it's not like any of them would want to call their SOs to discuss HOT business in front of Quinn or Sage, so there would only be a small window of time for this to come up in normal conversations.

Lastly, even if they knew they were ditching the DIKS, why would any them be so eager to tell the DIKs the bad news? Sage and Quinn would presumably say the DIKs already knew the change of plans (which Sage honestly believed), so there wouldn't be any urgency to confirming it. Why not wait until tomorrow when the DIKs will have had a chance to calm down a bit?

Really, the only reason any of the HOTs would go out of their way to talk to the DIKs about the ANO party is if they thought the DIKs didn't know about the change, and there's no reason to think any of them did. We only saw Heather questioning Sage's leadership after the party.

 

[LoDoN-]

I'm not seeing the problem here. First, we don't really know if the rank-and-file HOTs normally know what their upcoming events are; it wouldn't shock me to learn most of them just go with the flow.

Second and more importantly, there weren't many opportunities to tell anyone. Sage confirmed the changed plans during the car wash, which was at most about 8 hours before the party began. I doubt the other girls would be told before then. There wasn't a lot of warning.

I will have to disagree here. In my supposition, I already took into account the HoT's being kept in the dark until the last minute possible, but let's remember here, they did not dress normally, it was a fancy party, so they needed to dress fancy, hence Sage would need to give them at least a few hours to prepare. The only way it would remain a secret during these hours with Maya, Josy, Helena, and Heather knowing is if Sage (or Quinn) explicitly told them to remain radio silent.

And once the other girls learned, it's not like any of them would want to call their SOs to discuss HOT business in front of Quinn or Sage, so there would only be a small window of time for this to come up in normal conversations.

Maybe for girls like Camilla, Riona, Sarah, Melanie, sure they wouldn't want to get in between anything. But Helena? Heather?

You gotta give me at least Helena, in what kind of a relationship does one paramour keep the other in the dark?

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Again we are talking about a modern setting, they have cellphones they can very easily send messages without alerting Warden Sage or Warden Quinn.

Lastly, even if they knew they were ditching the DIKS, why would any them be so eager to tell the DIKs the bad news? Sage and Quinn would presumably say the DIKs already knew the change of plans (which Sage honestly believed), so there wouldn't be any urgency to confirming it. Why not wait until tomorrow when the DIKs will have had a chance to calm down a bit?

Most of them would, But again Helena and Heather wouldn't. Presumably Sage didn't tell anyone which is super weird, just Quinn, until the last moment, and then still forsook the opportunity to just tell Rusty directly FFS WE HAVE SMARTPHONES! You don't need to send a formal letter.

Second, why would you think in the morning it would be any better? It would be worse, they just slept on feeling betrayed the anger would turn into bitterness. They had their initiation ceremony ruined by the HoT's after they took a huge risk to hire them over the pink rose, in the morning it would be a lot worse.

Really, the only reason any of the HOTs would go out of their way to talk to the DIKs about the ANO party is if they thought the DIKs didn't know about the change, and there's no reason to think any of them did. We only saw Heather questioning Sage's leadership after the party.

Not go out of the way, but literally, just call theirs SO's to talk about it, Jesus it's weird that they either didn't or they couldn't. You receive some bad news like that you don't hide from your SO, WTF, you tell them directly, Helena not calling to talk to John-boy about it is huge contrivance in this whole plot for me.

Granted the whole plot is useless since, the DiK's run back to the HoT's since they have a hot pussy monopoly on campus, and Tommy goes back to Quinn, due to the fact she has a drug monopoly on campus, leaving all parties exactly where they started.

But yes, it's a huge contrivance that neither Helena nor Heather contacted John-boy or Tommy when they heard about the party change, even if told they that already new. People in relationships don't hide behind other people, I can squeeze my eyes and say maybe Heather would, but Helena wouldn't hide from John-boy over something like this.

EDIT: Forgot to mention, and this deal (Diks and Hots) was brokered by Quinn, which would make her even less likely to be the one to want to screw them over by keeping them in the dark, and as I previously explained it is impossible that this whole situation was kept under wraps on accident. Hence the reason I think Quinn is taking one for the team here.

 

[ename144]

I will have to disagree here. In my supposition, I already took into account the HoT's being kept in the dark until the last minute possible, but let's remember here, they did not dress normally, it was a fancy party, so they needed to dress fancy, hence Sage would need to give them at least a few hours to prepare. The only way it would remain a secret during these hours with Maya, Josy, Helena, and Heather knowing is if Sage (or Quinn) explicitly told them to remain radio silent.



Maybe for girls like Camilla, Riona, Sarah, Melanie, sure they wouldn't want to get in between anything. But Helena? Heather?

You gotta give me at least Helena, in what kind of a relationship does one paramour keep the other in the dark?

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Again we are talking about a modern setting, they have cellphones they can very easily send messages without alerting Warden Sage or Warden Quinn.



Most of them would, But again Helena and Heather wouldn't. Presumably Sage didn't tell anyone which is super weird, just Quinn, until the last moment, and then still forsook the opportunity to just tell Rusty directly FFS WE HAVE SMARTPHONES! You don't need to send a formal letter.

Second, why would you think in the morning it would be any better? It would be worse, they just slept on feeling betrayed the anger would turn into bitterness. They had their initiation ceremony ruined by the HoT's after they took a huge risk to hire them over the pink rose, in the morning it would be a lot worse.


Not go out of the way, but literally, just call theirs SO's to talk about it, Jesus it's weird that they either didn't or they couldn't. You receive some bad news like that you don't hide from your SO, WTF, you tell them directly, Helena not calling to talk to John-boy about it is huge contrivance in this whole plot for me.

Granted the whole plot is useless since, the DiK's run back to the HoT's since they have a hot pussy monopoly on campus, and Tommy goes back to Quinn, due to the fact she has a drug monopoly on campus, leaving all parties exactly where they started.

But yes, it's a huge contrivance that neither Helena nor Heather contacted John-boy or Tommy when they heard about the party change, even if told they that already new. People in relationships don't hide behind other people, I can squeeze my eyes and say maybe Heather would, but Helena wouldn't hide from John-boy over something like this.

EDIT: Forgot to mention, and this deal (Diks and Hots) was brokered by Quinn, which would make her even less likely to be the one to want to screw them over by keeping them in the dark, and as I previously explained it is impossible that this whole situation was kept under wraps on accident. Hence the reason I think Quinn is taking one for the team here.

As I tried to explain to you, the DIKs weren't in the dark (as far as they knew). What was the rush to discuss something the DIKs already know? The HOTs changing plans might be a bummer, but there would be plenty of other opportunities to party with the DIKs. It only became a disaster because Quinn ducked out of warning the DIKs, and we know Quinn kept that part a secret.

And that's assuming the HOTs knew they were originally going to be at the DIKs; Heather clearly did not know that.


I agree that Elena would probably have learned about the Hell Week plans from John Boy if nothing else, but again, there was no pressing need to discuss the disappointing news right then. You say the girls must have had some warning since they had to get dressed, but they already knew they were going to a party and it's not like they changed to clothes especially suited to the prep party. It's likely they really did learn at the last minute since Quinn wanted to keep this quiet.

 

[EmperorGus]

...

The problem we run into when we hang out on the forums (too much? ) discussing a piece of writing is that we run out of big things to talk about. Then we start nit-picking little things and, maybe, reading too much into it when it doesn't line up with reality.

Reminder: Suspension of disbelief.

LoDoN,
You're absolutely correct that in reality there's almost zero chance one of the girl-friends wouldn't have mentioned it to their DIK boyfriend. Or any of that HOTs wouldn't have said something on social media.
But the B&R campus is a work of fiction.
We apply 'suspension of disbelief', accept that this is the way it happened because that's the way the author said it happened.

If DPC were to try and write it to line up with reality it would A) bore you to death, and B) make 'War and Peace' look like a light read.

We should discuss our theories of character motivations, where the story is going, what we don't exactly like about the story, etc, etc. to our hearts content.

But when you catch yourself nit-picking details, remind yourself of those 3 words. 'Suspension of disbelief'


PS.
On the topic of suspension of disbelief...
Why doesn't anyone complain about the MC being hung such that it'd make porn stars jealous?
Where's the complaints that:
"Hey! That guy is short and most short guys have short cocks! It's not real enough!
I want to play a short MC that a realistically small dick!!!"

 

[Laport Deminis]

If DPC were to try and write it to line up with reality it would A) bore you to death, and B) make 'War and Peace' look like a light read.

2 things:

I would totally play a porn version of War and Peace, (Oh, Prince Nikoláievich Bolkonsky, you are so huge)

Secondly, you remind me of this:

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Third, (suspension of disbelief), but you are right, we need to argue something besides wich girl is the hottest and who is everyone biggest fan.

 

[Kukipett]

I think that if DPC starts to read all this comments on the story, he will die laughing and the game will never be finished!!

My god it's fun to start guessing who did what for what reason but we must keep in mind that this story is certaintly much more simple than we imagine!!
And it's not a realistic world, it's a parodic college setting where the priority is set to fun and not to create a realistic environment where everything matches.
So there are certainly a lot of holes in the plot and as your choices can have consequeneces it's still more difficult to maintain a stable core story, so what DPC has done is great but don't expect miracles!.

 

[EmperorGus]

2 things:

I would totally play a porn version of War and Peace, (Oh, Prince Nikoláievich Bolkonsky, you are so huge)

Secondly, you remind me of this:

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Third, (suspension of disbelief), but you are right, we need to argue something besides wich girl is the hottest and who is everyone biggest fan.

GOD DAMN YOU Heycock!!!!

You just had to remind me about Community. I loved that show.
Now you've just added another show to my list of shit to binge watch.

 

[Kukipett]

As I tried to explain to you, the DIKs weren't in the dark (as far as they knew). What was the rush to discuss something the DIKs already know? The HOTs changing plans might be a bummer, but there would be plenty of other opportunities to party with the DIKs. It only became a disaster because Quinn ducked out of warning the DIKs, and we know Quinn kept that part a secret.

And that's assuming the HOTs knew they were originally going to be at the DIKs; Heather clearly did not know that.
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I agree that Elena would probably have learned about the Hell Week plans from John Boy if nothing else, but again, there was no pressing need to discuss the disappointing news right then. You say the girls must have had some warning since they had to get dressed, but they already knew they were going to a party and it's not like they changed to clothes especially suited to the prep party. It's likely they really did learn at the last minute since Quinn wanted to keep this quiet.

About that party, we can see a few days before Quinn and Riona talking about a way to get some money and Quinn said she has a plan and that Sage will be a part of it.
So Quinn has negociated a price with the preps then has convinced Sage to accept that offer because the HOTs need money, but Quinn will keep a large part of it for herself and she also wanted to organize some "event" for presenting Mona to some sponsors and get also money from this. There was aloso a girl who was quite upset in the second floor, i guess Ashley maybe, she certainly also had to "confort" some sponsor for her scholarship!!
Sage told Quinn to tell the DIKs about all this but she didn't because she was worried that the DIKs would have a bad reaction and cause some difficulties and she wanted all this to be as discreet as possible because of the scam she organised.
So Sage certainly told the HOTs to not tell anything to the DIKs and let Quinn explain it officially.
Quin did not say a word hoping that the party will be over before the DIKs will be aware of it. Unfortunately Arieth was stupid, went the the wrong party and caused the DIK to understand that the HOTs were partying with the preps.
And all the shit started!!

 

[Hesteros]

There was aloso a girl who was quite upset in the second floor, i guess Ashley maybe, she certainly also had to "confort" some sponsor for her scholarship!!

Ashley crying had nothing to do with the prostitution ring. That one was because she saw Derek fucking Wendy the day before.

She knew nothing about it as she was puzzled as to why Maya & Mona left.

 

[`Ray`]

Ashley crying had nothing to do with the prostitution ring. That one was because she saw Derek fucking Wendy the day before.

She knew nothing about it as she was puzzled as to why Maya & Mona left.

I am not sure myself but I think that was Mona. We see Mona coming out of a room crying followed by Prof. Burke.

Secondly Maya and Mona leave the hot's after the prep party . They leave in ep6 ending whereas the prep party was in ep5. So your puzzled point is surely wrong.

 

[AchedCroissant]

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[`Ray`]

Is it just me or does some else finds Elena attractive and wants to have sex with her.... I am so sorry Brother John-Boy

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[Isaneclownposey]

Am I the only one that plays this game and is past being purely sexually interested in these characters? I made a choice long ago to not get involved with Bella given her and Jill's friendship, if Jill found out it would absolutely destroy her beyond repair. Being someone who obviously has very few friends, and no experience with relationships.

So while I do like Jill very much, with her being a virgin I don't see the need to rush her into sex. As a character I would for the day we actually get to have sex with her, to be comfortable for her, my thoughts would be secondary. And as Sage, now that she and Chad are no longer involved, I'm more than happy to pursue her in any way she would like. I've always thought Sage was the most likeable girl of the main 4.

Now I've swore off Maya and Josy, more so Josy for the fact that they are in a relationship and I've personally found that those open/poly relationships don't work in the long run, your gonna have to end up making a choice. So I'm quite content to be both of their friend, even though I do have more of a soft spot for Maya, I really like that girl and have felt the closest to her than any other character on the game. I'm also curious if a solo route would be in store for the people that chose to stay friend with Josy and Maya and told Derek that you still had feelings for Maya.

 

[Hesteros]

I am not sure myself but I think that was Mona. We see Mona coming out of a room crying followed by Prof. Burke.

Secondly Maya and Mona leave the hot's after the prep party . They leave in ep6 ending whereas the prep party was in ep5. So your puzzled point is surely wrong.

Both Ashley & Mona cried. As you said, Mona was the one who stormed out of the room where Prof. Burke was also seen leaving afterwards. Meanwhile Ashley was the one crying upstairs while being comforted by Elena.

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It was in Episode 7 in the HOTs pool. Ashley wondered if MC was talking about Maya or Mona.

Ashley pledged the HOTs for the same reason as Josy; she wanted the sorority lifestyle. She looked ecstatic when she first put on the dress and when she posted a Cluck about her evaluation night.

 

[sorco2003]

I am not sure myself but I think that was Mona. We see Mona coming out of a room crying followed by Prof. Burke.

Secondly Maya and Mona leave the hot's after the prep party . They leave in ep6 ending whereas the prep party was in ep5. So your puzzled point is surely wrong.

I'm not sure if you are talking about the same thing. But the girl crying and being comforted is Ashley, and she is accompanied by Elena.
And for the second, Ashley is surprised by what happened with Maya and Mona, regardless of when it happens. I think he was trying to make the point that Ashley is not part of the prostitution ring.

 

[EmperorGus]

Is it just me or does some else finds Elena attractive and wants to have sex with her.... I am so sorry Brother John-Boy

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Attractive? Yes.
Want to? Sure.
Would I? Never! For the simple reason that she's taken. But if

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get's stupid and leaves her. Fair game

 

[Requiem131]

Reminder: Suspension of disbelief.

I definitely agree with you, but you always have to take into account that suspension of disbelief is a subjective issue. Different people have different thresholds for what they're willing to accept as valid in the story, and thus some may see their suspension broken while others don't. As an example, I've played the 12 episodes of Sinful Delicacies and my suspension of disbelief with almost anything that happens in that game was broken from the get go. It's just completely impossible, improbable and unbelievable what and how the MC behaves. And yet, reading through some reviews after posting mine I saw some people actually thought the story was great. So, damn subjectiveness on any topic.

But on the Being a Dik topic, I do think it does much better of being relatively believable than many other games. Specially in the way the support cast and the MC are built.