VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[SteveyP]

Yes, I mean DPC forces you to go on a date with Jill (that you/MC set up by the way) and even after that you still lead her on while you are fooling around with her best friend. You don't think Jill will be upset when she finds out you ditched her for Bella...or worse, you were pursuing Bella while dating Jill? Whether you have the option to fight for Jill in ep 7 or not, you're still doing her dirty. I'd like the option on a Bella CHICk run to just tell Jill early on (preferably before the date) that I'm not interested in you at all and I don't want to date you. Gotta get that drama though.

You nailed it on the head with that last sentence. DPC has stated that he has a backbone story he doesn't deviate from. Similar to the Maya and Josy drama, you'll likely get a similar affect here soon when it comes to Jill and Bella regardless if you're actively pursuing them. Or hell it might not even be "drama" but some sort of understanding that Bella needs to move on or that Bella is a shitty best friend etc. Either way, It's not supposed to be a choice so the plot can unfold the way he wants it to. That, and it might fit with the idea that MC "rushes into things without thinking when it comes to women" so now he needs to suffer the consequences.

So to recap, I did misunderstand you. But there is likely a reason for the lack of choice. Drama is probably the biggest. Whether it's good or not is something we'll have to wait and see.

 

[Kellermann]

You nailed it on the head with that last sentence. DPC has stated that he has a backbone story he doesn't deviate from. Similar to the Maya and Josy drama, you'll likely get a similar affect here soon when it comes to Jill and Bella regardless if you're actively pursuing them. Or hell it might not even be "drama" but some sort of understanding that Bella needs to move on or that Bella is a shitty best friend etc. Either way, It's not supposed to be a choice so the plot can unfold the way he wants it to. That, and it might fit with the idea that MC "rushes into things without thinking when it comes to women" so now he needs to suffer the consequences.

So to recap, I did misunderstand you. But there is likely a reason for the lack of choice. Drama is probably the biggest. Whether it's good or not is something we'll have to wait and see.

Yep.

MC "rushes into things without thinking when it comes to women"

I find this annoying in AVNs focused on relationships. The key aspect is allowing me to choose whom I want to be with, but you are absolutely right. DPC is doing it so his story can follow the plan.

Here is my biggest issue: "DPC forces you to go on a date with Jill (that you/MC set up )" Therein lies the pain for future Jill because for whatever the reason, be it to spite Tybalt or not, you are, by definition, leading Jill on. Only two options: ask Jill out to shame Tybalt or ask Jill out because you like her. Neither is right for a Bella only CHICK MC. But I have multiple playthroughs so no worries. The evil part of me will be intrigued to see how Jill loses her mind.

 

[AchedCroissant]

Yes, I mean DPC forces you to go on a date with Jill (that you/MC set up by the way) and even after that you still lead her on while you are fooling around with her best friend. You don't think Jill will be upset when she finds out you ditched her for Bella...or worse, you were pursuing Bella while dating Jill? Whether you have the option to fight for Jill in ep 7 or not, you're still doing her dirty. I'd like the option on a Bella CHICk run to just tell Jill early on (preferably before the date) that I'm not interested in you at all and I don't want to date you. Gotta get that drama though.

On my route with Isabella, Jill tells her that apparently the MC doesn't seem interested in her (Jill) and it's true since I stay very loyal to Isabella just like on the route with Jill, I don't think there is a drama between the two of them if you keep the routes separate for now

The option to fight for Jill literally that option never appears to me with Isabella or with Maya/Josy and Sage

Now if you have both Jill/Isabella routes there is where I see a bad end for the MC with them or maybe I'm wrong but I don't see anything happy with them for now

 

[Blades1138]

One of the weak points in AL was exactly the same type of forced relationship the MC found himself into, without being given a choice to avoid pursuing a certain character.
The one thing DPC does right, is that even though MC may act like a little girl sometimes, it still differentiates him and puts him leaps and bounds above the overwhelming majority of pervert/manipulative/rapist MCs that populate most games.

 

[SteveyP]

I find this annoying in AVNs focused on relationships. The key aspect is allowing me to choose whom I want to be with

I agree with everything else you said in your reply so I'll on pose a question from these two sentences

Do you think with the way the plot being set up or even unfolding that DPC is "undermining" (for lack of a better word) that key aspect? Because it seems to me that you could still end up with one or the other but will have to get through this rough patch of drama/character development due to DPC's need to tell a specific story.

 

[SteveyP]

The one thing DPC does right, is that even though MC may act like a little girl sometimes, it still differentiates him and puts him leaps and bounds above the overwhelming majority of pervert/manipulative/rapist MCs that populate most games.

That's true, even in AVN's that I enjoy like "Echoes of Lust" or "What a Legend" you can make a big case that the MC is a pervert by nature. Thankfully DPC isn't the only developer that gives more credit to the MC. Stone Fox Studios with their game "Chasing Sunsets or Drifty Games with "Leap of Faith" are two great examples of that.

 

[Blades1138]

That's true, even in AVN's that I enjoy like "Echoes of Lust" or "What a Legend" you can make a big case that the MC is a pervert by nature. Thankfully DPC isn't the only developer that gives more credit to the MC. Stone Fox Studios with their game "Chasing Sunsets or Drifty Games with "Leap of Faith" are two great examples of that.

I don't want to sidetrack the conversation to other games, but WaL is actually an example of a decent MC. In truth most any MC is a pervert at some level, the problem with most is that they are the malicious kind, which I was referring to.

To bring the discussion back to BaDIK, even this MC has pervert episodes, but he never forces or manipulates anybody into something they don't want. He may be pushing it with Bella a little bit, but she's clearly receptive if he played his cards right.

 

[Kellermann]

On my route with Isabella, Jill tells her that apparently the MC doesn't seem interested in her (Jill) and it's true since I stay very loyal to Isabella just like on the route with Jill, I don't think there is a drama between the two of them if you keep the routes separate for now

The option to fight for Jill literally that option never appears to me with Isabella or with Maya/Josy and Sage

Now if you have both Jill/Isabella routes there is where I see a bad end for the MC with them or maybe I'm wrong but I don't see anything happy with them for now

Well I don't know what I'm doing wrong in my Bella playthrough then. I have forsaken all others yet still I must go through the song and dance routine with Jill. I want to distance myself, but I continue with boyfriend duties without the benefit of sex. Not much more I can say than I have already stated about the forced date.

I agree with everything else you said in your reply so I'll on pose a question from these two sentences

Do you think with the way the plot being set up or even unfolding that DPC is "undermining" (for lack of a better word) that key aspect? Because it seems to me that you could still end up with one or the other but will have to get through this rough patch of drama/character development due to DPC's need to tell a specific story.

I think DPC wants you to choose his way of playing the MC. If you deviate from that course, pain awaits. How severe I don't know, but it is clear DPC loathes anything close to a harem mentality in players. Basically, story first, player choice second.

If DPC allows friendship after breakup, like the Maya/Josy situation, then great, but I still can't see that happening with Bella and Jill. If they end up being totally fine after finding out the truth, then these BaDIK women are some of the most unique and amazing women I have ever encountered because that's rare.

 

[shazba]

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[Room639]

Also, I really do think that he got way too ambitious with this project and if he tries to outdo this one with his next project he's going to bite more than he can chew.

I think he's already bitten off more than he can chew in this game. Think about this, we aren't even halfway done, and you can already have sex with 3/5 of the major characters and most of the important side characters. How many more times can you repeat this without it becoming... well, repetitive. Will it be as exciting heading into season four? ...Season 5? Probably not. Not to mention, the major antagonists aren't that engaging (Tybalt is annoying, but not that engaging, while Chad is kind of interesting, but not that menacing), so there's not a ton of external conflict to drive the plot.

I think he really risks stretching this thing out too far. When you include a lot of material in the first half of the series, you're bound to run out of new material - unless you introduce more characters. That becomes a bit of a Mereenese knot in its own right, because the universe is already pretty big and the new characters aren't that interesting (such as the Madame and the annoying girl that has lunch with you, M&J).

I get that he wants to include a lot of content, but I'd rather just have a really good story that never feels old.

The answer is very simple - hire a coder to crank out the more rote elements, which wouldn't compromise his artistic vision at all. DPC is a bit of an egomaniac though, and it doesn't seem like he wants to share any of the glory. That's fine, it's his story, but it also comes with the risk of things becoming a bit... dusty.

 

[Kellermann]

I think it's OK that the MC asks Jill out on a date even if you lose interest in her later on. That's pretty typical in reality. You don't end up marrying every girl you date, feelings are hurt but life goes on.

No, no, no. I never had interest in her to begin with. That is the point.

CHICK MC, Bella only, or M/J only.
___________________________
Me: I don't want anything to do with Jill.
DPC: That's cute, fuck you. Have a date with Jill anyway.

 

[shazba]

I think he's already bitten off more than he can chew in this game. Think about this, we aren't even halfway done, and you can already have sex with 3/5 of the major characters and most of the important side characters. How many more times can you repeat this without it becoming... well, repetitive. Will it be as exciting heading into season four? Probably not. Not to mention, the major antagonists are that engaging (Tybalt is annoying, but not that engaging, while Chad is kind of interesting, but not that menacing).

I think he really risks stretching this thing out too far. When you include a lot of material in the first half of the series, you're bound to run out of new material - unless you introduce more characters. That becomes a bit of a Mereenese knot in its own right, because the universe is already pretty big and the new characters aren't that interesting (such as the Madame and the annoying girl that has lunch with you, M&J).

I get that he wants to include a lot of content, but I'd rather just have a really good story that never feels old.

Acting lessons and BaDIK were never all about the sex. Just like real life, do you blow your brains out and end it all once you’ve had sex with the girl of your dreams? There’s so much more to life than sex (sex is like oxygen, it’s only important to those who aren’t getting any). The plot is slowly starting to thicken, and the MC will equally occupy himself banging girls and living life. Sounds pretty cool to me.

Me: I don't want anything to do with Jill.
DPC: You’re wrong…

Fixed that for you.

 

[SteveyP]

f they end up being totally fine after finding out the truth, then these BaDIK women are some of the most unique and amazing women I have ever encountered because that's rare.

Given how some Jill fans idolize her, that might not be an out of left field assessment.

 

[SteveyP]

There are other games here that try to give you more flexibility in the story, completely ignoring characters that you choose not to pursue. If you play the full game, enjoying all the women and potentially setting yourself up for a major upset later, they feel full and enjoyable, however once you start going down single character arcs the game dissipates into a lot less and ends up feeling hollow.

One game, Sisterly Lust (a moment of weakness, OK!) you can end up with the mc just getting up, eating, and then going back to bed, day after day.

There are some games that manage it well enough, Becoming a Rock Star being one of them (actually it is 100% advisable that you don't pursue all the girls in that game, it gets ugly!), but that game suffers other short comings.

At the end of the day, BaDIK is a story, and a decent, fun story at that. If the readers were able to influence the story too much, they could walk away thinking it's a shit story, but then if they don't get to influence the story and don't enjoy where it's headed (saving Maya, suffering Jill, making out with middle-aged women in the library when all you intended to do was drop by and say hello), you may still walk away thinking it's a shit story.

It's a total balancing act, but at the end of the day, this is not our story to control, it's the mc's, we're just nudging him occasionally (“blowjob or anal… ” - that kinda thing).

I actually didn't think of games that implemented the strict "one girl" run. Probably because a lot of them are very forgettable. I suppose it's always a give and take when it comes to character choice. I personally don't mind the removal of a choice to push plot. The only one I'm nervous about, in the context of Being a Dik, is the Maya and Josy choice, as of now you can only have both of them or non of them. There's hints that you can win Josy back, which could take a couple of updates. but as of now, that's the one that I'm skeptical of. I personally would really like a Josy only relationship.

 

[SpearOfReigns]

So I haven't played since 4.0 and the new download is just too big for mega so I did the split. I have no clue how to do it properly and I seem to be getting errors when I extract. I did the first part and tried to open it thinking it would maybe do all the parts...for some reason. Unfortunately, I get an error saying it can't find ep7 image when I try to open the game.

If I could get some help for how exactly to do this I would be grateful. I did try looking through the 7000+ pages for the answer...but lol nope.

Not really answering your question, but why don't you try torrent version instead?

 

[shazba]

I actually didn't think of games that implemented the strict "one girl" run. Probably because a lot of them are very forgettable. I suppose it's always a give and take when it comes to character choice. I personally don't mind the removal of a choice to push plot. The only one I'm nervous about, in the context of Being a Dik, is the Maya and Josy choice, as of now you can only have both of them or non of them. There's hints that you can win Josy back, which could take a couple of updates. but as of now, that's the one that I'm skeptical of. I personally would really like a Josy only relationship.

Looking at it from a human perspective, how mean would it really be to fuck Maya off (the girl who gave you a dorm when you were fucked) and just end up with Josy? Still totally doing it though.

 

[Jill_Royce]

between Jill and Bella what u will choose guys ?

Blue balls are not always on Jill team

 

[SteveyP]

Looking at it from a human perspective, how mean would it really be to fuck Maya off (the girl who gave you a dorm when you were fucked) and just end up with Josy? Still totally doing it though.

Oh it would be stone cold for sure. But in real life I would never pursue a married woman, yet Bella is my favorite MG. Thanfully this isn't real life so I'm stealing Josy away. Josy is tied for second along with Sage.

In reality, Maya's kindness would likely draw me to her. That or maybe Jill.

 

[felicemastronzo]

Exactly. Had I known it would be all about Madame, I would have rejected the pass even on my massive DIK playthroughs. I thought we would have our pick of the litter from all the strippers for the VIP room, but nope, I got bamboozled.

-- Unrelated topic --

Just finished Bella "solo" route playthrough. The problem I have with the Bella route is that there is no way you can follow it without being a massive dick to Jill. DPC gives us no option to fully reject her while seducing Bella. Even if you are a pure of heart CHICK who tries to ignore all women but Bella you still have to date Jill and lead her on for a good portion of the game.

Finally, in 6 & 7 DPC begins giving opportunities to steer away from Jill but not before playing enough mind games that she will be disgusted with both MC and Bella when she finds out the truth. Essentially, you have to destroy a friendship and a heart (maybe two hearts) to date Bella. Add to this the ominous internal voice in the library and one has to wonder if DPC will allow any kind of happiness end to the Bella route.

if you keep your distance on the first date you have in fact dumped Jill, she is aware that you will be 'just friends'.

As a matter of sincerity either Mc or Bella could talk to Jill about their relationship, but that's a venial sin.

by the way: it's a pity that the jealousy mechanism was only implemented in the seventh chapter, in theory it should have been triggered already when, eventually, Jill finds out that Bella hosted MC

But I honestly doubt it would take that long. Not every episode will be as big as episode 7 or 8. I think 16 episode will be it, even with 2 episode a year that's just 4 year..

I think it is very unlikely that future episodes will become "leaner", the further we go the more forks there will be to take into account, so either there will be a consistent reduction in play time per run, or the size of the single chapter is more likely to increase rather than decrease (without considering technical improvements).

the only chapter that might be more contained is the final chapter of epilogues, where there will be little to choose from, but only to cash in what we've earned

 

[znar25]

One of the things that is interesting in the story, is that, if you happen to be playing another path besides Sage, I feel kinda bad for refusing her hints: "we should hang out more", "there will be plenty of single girls at the party, including me". etc.

I think at this stage of the story with her path, we have not gotten to an actual "relationship" and, when and if that happens in the story, she would be as fiercely loyal to MC as others (example: Josy kicking Tommy for hitting MC).

All very interesting.