The dorm furniture is accurate, good to know this near death experience is common in other schools.
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- Jul 7, 2017
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You forgot something.
1.1) Josy with Maya! (Throuple)
This variant is very important for me personally.
- May 17, 2020
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In the game I think there are fundamental forks and secondary forks.
Secondary forks end quickly with in or out situations (like Cathe vs Bella).
the main ones on the other hand have a very long development, I take the example of Josy vs Jill, in practice it is from chapter 4 that both are aware of the other, and their relationship continues to develop until the awareness that they will have to "fight" for MC
and all these forks in the road are not part of the main story anyway, since they are all optional
- Aug 4, 2020
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Up until recently the game has mostly been character development, there's been some minor conflict but nothing with the impetus to carry the rest of the game.
Some of the relationships are changing (Bella's probably being the most significant with her deciding she wants to start dating the mc - that sounds so weird to actually acknowledge it...)
And some storylines are getting more serious (Quinn being mugged, Riona starting to get paranoid, both possibly tied in with the trashing of the DIK mansion), it's going to have to become more.
But the game, like Acting Lessons didn't start off plot driven. Like any good movie or series, you have to care for your characters first, then you throw them into peril.
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I wouldn't be so sure about that, Darkdevil66 knows whereof he speaks:
Jill was added in December 2018, just a couple of months before the game was first released. BaDIK was in planning & development months before that.
DPC explicitly says she was created after the other LIs in that status update, so seemingly not part of the original story.
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- May 17, 2020
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Rich explicitly says his grandmother is dead when he refuses to take drugs from QuinnDPC himself has written that he is finally creating a scene in EP8 that he has been looking forward to for 2 years.
Theory
In EP3 the MC goes to Jill to play her song on his guitar. When the MC enters the Preps Mansion once again, he sees a Rich talking on the phone. The phone conversation suggests that someone important to Rich may have passed away. Just before the MC makes the date with Jill perfect, Jill is interrupted by Tybalt. Jill was about to make a guess about the MC's origin. Take a look at Screeshot 1 and 2. Maybe the solution is in screenshot 2.
Possibilities
Related to Tybalt
Related to Richard
MC is rich
MC is a madman
MC is insane rich
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This could then explain Josy and Maya's attire at the Spin the Dildo game in EP4. We know that on the MC date with Jill in EP4, the MC tells Jill all about his current emotional state. Jill learns that the MC is also attracted to Josy and is totally confused. Here comes my guess. Jill met with Josy and Maya and the three of them discussed this situation. Take a look at Josy and Maya's looks at the MC. Maya's looks at the MC with a hopeful look. Maybe she thinks that the MC can solve her tuition problems. Josy, on the other hand, somehow has a blank look. Maybe she learned that her mother is a native Royce (Lana) and the MC had a date with Josy and Jill. Stupid situation. But that could explain some strange scene in EP7. For example, why Josy asks the MC directly for Jill in the pool or why Josy says to Jill in EP7 after the presentation of Tybalt, where everyone can see the dick picture, that Jill has to fight for him. To me it sounds like Josy will hold back from a romantic point of view and give Jill the lead.
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This would actually clarify why Josy is afraid of losing Maya and the MC. Maya has also fallen in love with the MC, I think there is no doubt about that. But if the MC decides for Jill, Maya might want to stay with the MC. I always think of the custom render picture in this context, how Josy, Jill and the MC are sitting in a cafe and Josy is holding hands with the MC. Unfortunately I can't show this picture because I want to keep my Patreon account.
Also, there might be a surprise in EP8 that maybe one or the other was at B&R college 2-3 years earlier. Screenshot 4. The guy behind Rusty left shoulder could be a Derek with glasses. There are several mentions of glasses in the game. Dani, Jamie's ex, also says she wears contacts because glasses make her look fat and she would have rather spent the $12 on hair dye instead of a pregnancy test. Sage also has great ideas for Halloween. We see in this screenshot maybe 5 people that are very important to EP8.
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Just a few thoughts from my side. All just theory and conjecture to get the thread going again.
rich "I've been doing some thinking..."
rich "...or mourning."
rich "I haven't been myself lately. My grandmother passed away recently."
rich "After thinking about it... I don't want it anymore."
you're too distracted by reflections....
- Jul 12, 2020
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I have no idea why then DPC replied to his patrons 3 three times saying that Jill was planned all along when he created the story. Suspicious....
"Jill was added in December 2018, just a couple of months before the game was first released"
Didn't Ep1 release in Feb 2019 or was there some demo?
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Just stuff his watermelon with some hot pepper sauce, he will get a HOT surprise !!
- Feb 2, 2021
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I also absolutely don't care for minigames, i have deactivated them from start, for me they just spoil the mood in the game, making it more like a game and less like a VN.
What i love is the story, characters evolution, dialogues and when a minigames interrupts this it's just like finding a slug in my salad!
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Something like this :Over future chapters, the only way I can see the icemaker on the HOTs fridge to get fixed is if you are on the Sage or Quinn path.
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I guess that this is quite simple for me, Jill is here from the start and it could be the scene where you will finally pop her cherryDPC himself has written that he is finally creating a scene in EP8 that he has been looking forward to for 2 years.
Theory
In EP3 the MC goes to Jill to play her song on his guitar. When the MC enters the Preps Mansion once again, he sees a Rich talking on the phone. The phone conversation suggests that someone important to Rich may have passed away. Just before the MC makes the date with Jill perfect, Jill is interrupted by Tybalt. Jill was about to make a guess about the MC's origin. Take a look at Screeshot 1 and 2. Maybe the solution is in screenshot 2.
Possibilities
Related to Tybalt
Related to Richard
MC is rich
MC is a madman
MC is insane rich
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This could then explain Josy and Maya's attire at the Spin the Dildo game in EP4. We know that on the MC date with Jill in EP4, the MC tells Jill all about his current emotional state. Jill learns that the MC is also attracted to Josy and is totally confused. Here comes my guess. Jill met with Josy and Maya and the three of them discussed this situation. Take a look at Josy and Maya's looks at the MC. Maya's looks at the MC with a hopeful look. Maybe she thinks that the MC can solve her tuition problems. Josy, on the other hand, somehow has a blank look. Maybe she learned that her mother is a native Royce (Lana) and the MC had a date with Josy and Jill. Stupid situation. But that could explain some strange scene in EP7. For example, why Josy asks the MC directly for Jill in the pool or why Josy says to Jill in EP7 after the presentation of Tybalt, where everyone can see the dick picture, that Jill has to fight for him. To me it sounds like Josy will hold back from a romantic point of view and give Jill the lead.
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This would actually clarify why Josy is afraid of losing Maya and the MC. Maya has also fallen in love with the MC, I think there is no doubt about that. But if the MC decides for Jill, Maya might want to stay with the MC. I always think of the custom render picture in this context, how Josy, Jill and the MC are sitting in a cafe and Josy is holding hands with the MC. Unfortunately I can't show this picture because I want to keep my Patreon account.
Also, there might be a surprise in EP8 that maybe one or the other was at B&R college 2-3 years earlier. Screenshot 4. The guy behind Rusty left shoulder could be a Derek with glasses. There are several mentions of glasses in the game. Dani, Jamie's ex, also says she wears contacts because glasses make her look fat and she would have rather spent the $12 on hair dye instead of a pregnancy test. Sage also has great ideas for Halloween. We see in this screenshot maybe 5 people that are very important to EP8.
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Just a few thoughts from my side. All just theory and conjecture to get the thread going again.
- Oct 20, 2020
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Chick MC, doesn't want to date Jill, forced to ask her out on a date anyway. Why am I forced? Only for reasons of drama, that will come back to bite you later on whether you actually like Jill or not. If DPC isn't manufacturing some future conflict then there is no reason to have an uninterested MC date Jill in the first place. It's the same reason DPC serves up an enticing buffet of LIs. You are being led into a manwhore trap. Whether it is Maya vs Josy, Sage vs Quinn, Bella vs Jill, or any main or side LI combination in between, DPC wants you to indulge yourself so he can pull the rug out from underneath you later on. I actually think he has a hard-on for dashing players' hopes and dreams. The Bella/Jill dynamic is one way to for him to fuck with even a purist player on a solo Bella route.No, No , No, No, Wait a second
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And if you continue along this road, you reach the point in episode 6, when she won't ask you out for the birthday picnic , so you technically off from her path. DPC merely given us the setups for these paths, but it up to us whether we walk on it or not. for example it is mandatory for us to at least have sex with either Josy or Maya, but if you refuse, no matter the affinity they reject you anyway.
And you get the option to Fight for Jill, only if you are on her route, otherwise its not come up .
so Yeah you don't directly say " I'm not interested in you" , But you don't even need it.
Back to the Jill date, look very closely at the only two choices you are given for why MC is doing it. There is no ambiguity. 1) Ask Jill out only to spite Tybalt. That's not a CHICK action at all. 2) Ask Jill out because you like her. Oh I'm sorry, I missed the part where I liked Jill and wanted to ask her out. It doesn't matter that later on MC decides he is not interested in Jill (welcome to the party MC, I was there ages ago), you still ask her out while you are on the Bella path. Not quite a CHICK action, eh? Trust me, DPC will use this date and anything you do beyond the date to punish you later in the story. You may say, well if you're on a Bella only path why would you care if Jill gets upset. Because when Jill gets upset, Bella will get upset and the chastity belt goes back on. MC will have to spend an episode or two convincing Bella to take it off again. Likely the same will happen when James returns.
And by the way DPC, "follow the heart?" That's crap. What if my heart tells me to create a drug-addled harem and impregnate every woman on campus?
Just come right out and say it, you want to stomp on the heart. AL wasn't enough. The blood thirst has yet to be quenched.
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What the hell, Jill?? Is this a special render I haven't seen? It is being used in another game. A BaDIK(?) render used within a scene of another game to be more specific. Even has the pinkcake on the table? A little heavy-handed if an homage.
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- Jul 7, 2017
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The "Follow your heart" is good advice and tells the player in which direction the MC should go. If you are interested in a LI, then the MC should follow his heart and not fuck wildly through the area. This is actually good advice from DPC.Chick MC, doesn't want to date Jill, forced to ask her out on a date anyway. Why am I forced? Only for reasons of drama, that will come back to bite you later on whether you actually like Jill or not. If DPC isn't manufacturing some future conflict then there is no reason to have an uninterested MC date Jill in the first place. It's the same reason DPC serves up an enticing buffet of LIs. You are being led into a manwhore trap. Whether it is Maya vs Josy, Sage vs Quinn, Bella vs Jill, or any main or side LI combination in between, DPC wants you to indulge yourself so he can pull the rug out from underneath you later on. I actually think he has a hard-on for dashing players' hopes and dreams. The Bella/Jill dynamic is one way to for him to fuck with even a purist player on a solo Bella route.
Back to the Jill date, look very closely at the only two choices you are given for why MC is doing it. There is no ambiguity. 1) Ask Jill out only to spite Tybalt. That's not a CHICK action at all. 2) Ask Jill out because you like her. Oh I'm sorry, I missed the part where I liked Jill and wanted to ask her out. It doesn't matter that later on MC decides he is not interested in Jill (welcome to the party MC, I was there ages ago), you still ask her out while you are on the Bella path. Not quite a CHICK action, eh? Trust me, DPC will use this date and anything you do beyond the date to punish you later in the story. You may say, well if you're on a Bella only path why would you care if Jill gets upset. Because when Jill gets upset, Bella will get upset and the chastity belt goes back on. MC will have to spend an episode or two convincing Bella to take it off again. Likely the same will happen when James returns.
And by the way DPC, "follow the heart?" That's crap. What if my heart tells me to create a drug-addled harem and impregnate every woman on campus?
Just look at the routes of the LI's. Sure as a player we are kind of forced to have dates with all LI's. But a date is not a relationship and if the MC stays decent, by that I mean not giving hope to the LI's you don't want to have, everything will be fine. If the MC is a male slut now, he will probably have his fun like Neil, but in the end he will be without a life partner.
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I wonder how common this view is.
To me, that stuff is what makes it a game. An individual element can be good or bad design, but I really want them to try. An animated choose-your-own-adventure story (which is usually pretty linear anyway) doesn't feel interactive. And if it's not interactive, why wouldn't I just watch a movie or read an actual book?
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Replaying the best episode aka Episode 7, Quinn's line when meeting Tommy "Believe what you wanna believe, this ain't church" reminds of Tobey Spidey line in SpiderMan 3 "You want forgiveness? Get religion".
I share your view bro. Free-roams, mini-games, phones interaction (Rooster/Swyper) if done right can give you another level of storytelling and deep insight of BaDIK's world. But as we all know, not every free-roam or mini-game is exactly a hit. But the ones done right? That's what elevates this VN to its current level
- Sep 20, 2018
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I find animations overrated as well. Unfortunately given DPC's computer hardware, they're actually a much more efficient option than a series of static renders because the statics render extremely quickly. The posing time for statics is a huge percentage of of their total time whereas animations can be queued up to render while DPC works on other things. This is why DPC will occasionally mention having animations in the queue, but the static queue stopped being a thing after Episode 6.
So we're likely to see even more animations going forward, but it's not as big a hit to the production time as you might think. It's not the way I want the world to work, but such is life.
I think it's a matter of context. Jill was still there "from the start," she just had a lot less time in the loosely organized, pre-production planning portion. The transition from original idea to working script is a long and complicated one. Jill wasn't there for the original idea, but was for the working script. So what DPC said is true, from a certain point of view.
Feb 7, 2019, a couple months after the Q&A from DPC that was quoted. Jill would have been added to the story sometime before that, but probably not too much more. Jill's presence in Episode 1 is pretty tiny, so it's not like DPC would have had to halt production to integrate her into his existing work after he finished the working draft. Her addition was more about future content.
I think we have to accept that there are always going to be some limitations on our actions. Even in a pen & paper RPG with a living, breathing GM, if you flat out refuse to participate in the story he/she has prepared, the game is eventually going to break apart at the seams. It's a question of degree: when the game offers your character a choice, there's a big difference between it having no plan whatsoever for the less likely choice and not having one specific option the player really wants.
I think DPC does a much better job than most handling choices though it's definitely not perfect; the resolution to the Maya/Josy crisis in Episode 4 is the poster child not getting it right, IMHO. By comparison, I think dating Jill is handled very well. Sure, you may have preferred that the MC just ignore Jill entirely, but she's clearly an important part of the game and can't be sidelined completely.
The question is if you can express clear interest in Jill as a friend rather than a romantic partner, and I'd say you can. One extremely chaste playing tennis is about as non-committal as it gets. Even Jill will recognize that the MC just doesn't seem that into her, and is willing to accept that they're only going to be friends.
Now it's true that Jill will almost certainly take the news of the MC hooking up with Bella poorly even in that case. But that's because she has a huge crush on him, and that's not something even the purest, noblest CHICK MC's could change. Again, what matters is that when we finally hit the breaking point, Jill's reaction to an MC who showed minimal interest in her has to be much calmer than her reaction to an MC who deliberately wooed her while pursuing Bella at the same time. I'll be shocked if that doesn't happen.
On the specific topic of asking Jill out, I'm going to have to disagree with you. The MC is a young boy, Jill is a pretty young girl, and Tybalt is a complete asshole. Even a CHICK MC who doesn't like Jill is going be bothered by Tybalt's attitude. It seems well within the MC's established personality to ask for a date rather than accept being humiliated. We are explicitly given the option to make the date about Tybalt rather than Jill, and the MC is under no obligation to make the date romantic. So at least to me, this feels like a successful implementation of choices in a computer game: the MC will take the mandated action, but we are allowed to choose WHY he does so and we can influence the eventual outcome of the that choice to match our stated motivations.