VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[Arigon]

I will say it again for those who think DPC is a great "writer". He is not. He is ok. He HIMSELF will tell you that writing is his weak point, and his stories (both of them) suffer from his inability to follow complete thoughts when writing, and to come to reasonable and logical points and conclusions.

That said, he is probably one of the most incredible artists in this "industry".

He has the second best sound track hands down for his AVN. Some would argue first. I prefer Leap of Faith by Drifty for the soundtrack Oscar.

His production is pretty damned slick.

His process is a fail.

He claims he is solo at all of this. He has promised erroneously that he will deliver 12 episodes at a minimum, with some of you crazy guys thinking 16-20. At his current production level, with his complications that he adds in needlessly, and the branching story arcs, you are looking at 2033 for chapter 16 boyos! Not going to happen. Erase that from your memory. He will NOT do that.

He is burned out. This project is too big for one person. I certainly do not think he is sticking to being a one man show out of greed. He is someone who is pretty hard to please. He doesn't want to let go of any part of this, beyond some beta readers. He wants to tell us some Medieval Lustful Tales. Anyhow, the unbelievers will not believe it till chapter 10 has the end credits for the whole AVN so I will just let that go.

The guy does a great wingman. He is pretty fucking awesome at his lewds.

I give full credit where credit is due.

I wish he would hire a writer/director to help him out with story content, planning, and execution. It would make the whole product so much better.

All that said. Clearly I am an Asshole since I am being critical of the Holy Grail of your fantasy fapfest! As my dear compatriot and shining white knight shazba stated; An asshole I am.... Maybe not as BIG an asshole as I was in my... what did he say???? Oh yeah, in my Prime, yet an Asshole I honestly and truly remain!

Peace to all of you, even the ones who will flame my post! Oh and good will and shit too!

 

[Lightaces]

So can we be sure that Maya will end the game as prostitution?

No, but I wouldn't be shocked if that was ONE of the endings. It would be a bad ending, for her, though. I could see Josy as a stripper, but the only LI I think could really handle being a (VERY high end) escort would be Bella. If she can get over her husband, and Tremolo, she's got the mental strength to do it, and the sexuality. And like I said, she would be unbelievably expensive!!!

(To all the Bella Stans, this is NOT, in any way, an insult of Bella. She's a strong, independent, very desirable woman. She would never be anyone's victim in the scenario I'm suggesting. She'd be a BOSS.)

 

[Lightaces]

I will say it again for those who think DPC is a great "writer". He is not. He is ok. He HIMSELF will tell you that writing is his weak point, and his stories (both of them) suffer from his inability to follow complete thoughts when writing, and to come to reasonable and logical points and conclusions.

That said, he is probably one of the most incredible artists in this "industry".

He has the second best sound track hands down for his AVN. Some would argue first. I prefer Leap of Faith by Drifty for the soundtrack Oscar.

His production is pretty damned slick.

His process is a fail.

He claims he is solo at all of this. He has promised erroneously that he will deliver 12 episodes at a minimum, with some of you crazy guys thinking 16-20. At his current production level, with his complications that he adds in needlessly, and the branching story arcs, you are looking at 2033 for chapter 16 boyos! Not going to happen. Erase that from your memory. He will NOT do that.

He is burned out. This project is too big for one person. I certainly do not think he is sticking to being a one man show out of greed. He is someone who is pretty hard to please. He doesn't want to let go of any part of this, beyond some beta readers. He wants to tell us some Medieval Lustful Tales. Anyhow, the unbelievers will not believe it till chapter 10 has the end credits for the whole AVN so I will just let that go.

The guy does a great wingman. He is pretty fucking awesome at his lewds.

I give full credit where credit is due.

I wish he would hire a writer/director to help him out with story content, planning, and execution. It would make the whole product so much better.

All that said. Clearly I am an Asshole since I am being critical of the Holy Grail of your fantasy fapfest! As my dear compatriot and shining white knight shazba stated; An asshole I am.... Maybe not as BIG an asshole as I was in my... what did he say???? Oh yeah, in my Prime, yet an Asshole I honestly and truly remain!

Peace to all of you, even the ones who will flame my post! Oh and good will and shit too!

Why is it you assume he is lying in his updates? Because that is what you are saying - that DPC is just lying.

 

[Arigon]

Why is it you assume he is lying in his updates? Because that is what you are saying - that DPC is just lying.

I am.
He is over promising.
He will not deliver.
It is just plain math and the fact the guy will not let others work on the project to share the real workload.
It is ok, you do not have to believe me.
Just do some simple math yourself.
Tell me that he gets done before 2033.
Peace

 

[znar25]

If it takes many years to tell this story, I think a top level Patron contributor, should also have the option of being buried in a BaDIK themed casket. And wearing the DIKs jacket.

They might not see the end of the story but the story will be with them in spirit to the grave.

 

[znar25]

Chick alignment-- Josy/Maya path (no sides).

We know exactly how Josy feels about MC. A very sweet moment.

 

[Paranoid丶Chen]

No, but I wouldn't be shocked if that was ONE of the endings.

I think so.
Josy's carefree college life may be what prompted Maya to move towards this result.
But if it does happen, I will be sad.
Hope that DPC can at least give me a choice to avoid this ending.

 

[J.A.L.]

He is burned out. This project is too big for one person. I certainly do not think he is sticking to being a one man show out of greed. He is someone who is pretty hard to please. He doesn't want to let go of any part of this, beyond some beta readers. (...)
I wish he would hire a writer/director to help him out with story content, planning, and execution. It would make the whole product so much better.

Agree with your comment. I think the guy has a creative mind, and that´s the most important think, but he lacks of technical skills for writing a well rounded script for a big game like this one. In terms of size and complexity, this game can be compared with an indie hit like "Life is Strange". I´m not saying that "Life is Strange" is a well written game. It´s an ideologically biased game with an awful script full of tricks to manipulate the (usually young and manipulable) players and that doesn´t respond the main questions of the game. But it´s a profesional ideologically biased game with a manipulative script made by a professional team of writers, coders and graphic artists, and that shows. Hence the success of the game.

I don´t know if DPC don´t hire help because he´s greedy, of hard to please and don´t want let go any part of his "creature". But, if the second case is the truth, there are a lot of tasks in a game like this one that doesn´t need to give up any creative control. Coding, for example. Or making certain routine renders, like the ones of empty rooms or sceneries and the ones of the cicle of two characters maintaining a conversation with close-ups of their faces and slight changes of expression, mouths open or closed, etc. Things like those than don´t need creativity, but for sure are time-consuming, and someone could do them for him while he makes more important things. Even if he don´t hire a writer/director and wants to retain control of all the game, there are a lot of things that could do for improving the game and shorten release times, by hiring some help.

 

[Arigon]

Agree with your comment. I think the guy has a creative mind, and that´s the most important think, but he lacks of technical skills for writing a well rounded script for a big game like this one. In terms of size and complexity, this game can be compared with an indie hit like "Life is Strange". I´m not saying that "Life is Strange" is a well written game. It´s an ideologically biased game with an awful script full of tricks to manipulate the (usually young and manipulable) players and that doesn´t respond the main questions of the game. But it´s a profesional ideologically biased game with a manipulative script made by a professional team of writers, coders and graphic artists, and that shows. Hence the success of the game.

I don´t know if DPC don´t hire help because he´s greedy, of hard to please and don´t want let go any part of his "creature". But, if the second case is the truth, there are a lot of tasks in a game like this one that doesn´t need to give up any creative control. Coding, for example. Or making certain routine renders, like the ones of empty rooms or sceneries and the ones of the cicle of two characters maintaining a conversation with close-ups of their faces and slight changes of expression, mouths open or closed, etc. Things like those than don´t need creativity, but for sure are time-consuming, and someone could do them for him while he makes more important things. Even if he don´t hire a writer/director and wants to retain control of all the game, there are a lot of things that could do for improving the game and shorten release times, by hiring some help.

So very true.
He won't do it though.
That is why his story will suffer more as it nears the end, just like Acting Lessons did. I am not saying we are going to have an AL ending, but his story lost all credibility at the point of the fire and not being able to carry out two small girls, even if Athletic was your chosen trait. He wanted that grit and pain, but failed. He introduced us to the psycho nurse in such a haphazard way that it was a fail. Here he will tie up endings. Whether he does it well or sloppy??? My bet is the latter. Because he just can't plan it and execute it in a believable or even just a decent fashion. He doesn't have that skill set in him. He SHOULD hire someone to do that for him.
Alas I have said that before. I said it to him. He does not take criticisms well, even very constructive ones... thus the asshole in me comes out,
Peace

 

[shazba]

Ash ? Who's Ash ? Clearly not Ashley considering your description.

Oops, I meant Rox.

 

[J.A.L.]

They don’t reply to the cluck. Josy just sends a text.

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Maya&Josy what a pair of control freaks! For sure they want a spineless Tremolo to play him as a fiddle. They are not even in a real relationship with him, and trying to make him feel bad for a funny photo with other girls. That "we think higher of you" and the kiss is in the first page of the book "Course for manipulative bitches 101". I´m glad I have never played this path.

 

[felicemastronzo]

But just going back a few responses ago, your major disagreement was that the previous dramas (particularly M&J not choosing a throuple and Jill accepting Tybalt's conditions) were absolutely huge. I disagree. They were just speedbumps. Just like all the drama so far.

Maybe some people playing this game are too sensitive?

not exactly

Maya and Josy's decision is only the end of the cycle, but even if they accept MC's proposal, in my opinion, the fact remains that their story of betrayals, escapes and renunciations narratively dominates the first season. you can't talk about the first season without talking about them, you can omit the other things that happen, but not their story, it is dominant.

and it's a dramatic story, not a comic story.

in a lesser tone the same can be said for Tybalt's blackmail, which is less dominant (because it's worse and because overall the season is emptier, the second most important thing of the season is a minigame...) and is essentially concentrated in the sixth chapter, after that it almost disappears. but even there if we stick to how it acts on Jill it remains a dramatic moment

in a porn game, everything apart from the sex is technically a "speed bump", everything only serves to distance the various hot moments, but what gives substance to the story, to that of BADIK at least, are the dramatic moments. when a new chapter comes out i'm not "anxious" for the new gags of arieth and derek, but for the various subplots that co-involve the characters, and rarely are they "funny" issues

 

[M00nSh1ne_X]

So, Im missing two scenes (after the sage&quinn one). Thought Maybe one of them was for a Quinn only route, but nothing!
What am I missing? Pretty sure I tried every LI road now.

 

[felicemastronzo]

I don't think Sage is going to push Chad for an apology any further (assuming you told her), though I'm sure she'd still like one.

But I don't understand what you're saying about Mona. By the time Sage took an actual interest in Maya (as opposed to dismissing her concerns about Quinn in Episode 3), Mona had already left. You note that Sage has tried to contact Mona since then. Since she isn't returning the calls, what more do you think Sage should be doing? Even if Sage has Mona's address and it was within a reasonable distance, there's no guarantee dropping by uninvited would go much better.

I didn't say Sage will force an apology from Chad, but it's a transition that needs to happen, I'm sure it will.

Sage humiliated herself by going to ask Chad for the truth, he ran away again, it can't be considered a closed chapter. i'm convinced of it, but of course i can't prove it or even repeat it from now to chapter 9 (assuming it happens there)

in the seventh chapter, Sage takes care of the problem of the sisters who renounced to become HOTs, and after having given the task to Quinn, she takes Maya's story in her own hands. Maya is definitely a more improtant character than Mona, but I was sure that at some point she was going to take care of her too. the dialogue between Camilla and Riona, about Mona not answering the phone, wasn't enough to close the matter,

in fact, in the eighth chapter, Sage speaks about it directly, Mona is also a problem she wants to solve. then she may or may not be able to do it (I think Mona will come back in the story), but the fact that Sage had to take care of it personally, I was sure it would happen, it couldn't be left to the backstage, to what happens and we don't see it.

 

[mindern]

So, Im missing two scenes (after the sage&quinn one). Thought Maybe one of them was for a Quinn only route, but nothing!
What am I missing? Pretty sure I tried every LI road now.

Madame?

I’d have to go check the actual game but they’re the ones people miss. you gotta phone her for two new and totally not stomach churning scenes.

 

[Darkdevil66]

So, Im missing two scenes (after the sage&quinn one). Thought Maybe one of them was for a Quinn only route, but nothing!
What am I missing? Pretty sure I tried every LI road now.

It's two scenes with the Madame. Can't say you're missing something.

 

[J.A.L.]

So very true.
He won't do it though.
That is why his story will suffer more as it nears the end, just like Acting Lessons did. I am not saying we are going to have an AL ending, but his story lost all credibility at the point of the fire and not being able to carry out two small girls, even if Athletic was your chosen trait. He wanted that grit and pain, but failed. He introduced us to the psycho nurse in such a haphazard way that it was a fail. Here he will tie up endings. Whether he does it well or sloppy??? My bet is the latter. Because he just can't plan it and execute it in a believable or even just a decent fashion. He doesn't have that skill set in him. He SHOULD hire someone to do that for him.
Alas I have said that before. I said it to him. He does not take criticisms well, even very constructive ones... thus the asshole in me comes out,
Peace

Some time ago I heard a movies director and script writer of my country, winner of an Oscar to "best foreign film" in the 80´s, recognize that it is much easier to plan a great story than to develop it, and above all, than to finish it rightly. That´s the reason there are, for example, a ton of highly successful TV shows that disappoint the fans at the end. "Game of Thrones", "Dexter", "Friends"...

DPC disappointed with the ending of "Acting Lessons" and, lets face it, probably is going to disappoint with the ending of this game too because, again, the lack of the profesional skills for writing a script as complex as this one. Usually, with this game and other amateur games of this site, I prefer to put the focus in the elements of the game I like (certain characters, certain scenes and situations...) and try to forget about the plot holes, inconsistencies and other elements of the whole game that I don´t like. I just hope the lasts chapters of this game are not going to be as bad as the ones of Acting Lessons and Tremolo still will have control over the ending and there is not going to be a great disgrace out of the blue that ruins everything. I could stand a bland or even cheesy ending, but not an overdramatic one.

 

[M00nSh1ne_X]

Madame?

I’d have to go check the actual game but they’re the ones people miss. you gotta phone her for two new and totally not stomach churning scenes.

Fuck, never mind then I guess.

BTW, another thing I dont quite understand is MCs reaction to Jade being Sages mother. I get it when you have fucked her brains out, but on other runs I don't get it. Been a while since I played previous chapters but nothing comes to mind.

Kinda sad there is no Quinn path (yet)

 

[n0cn1l]

Fuck, never mind then I guess.

BTW, another thing I dont quite understand is MCs reaction to Jade being Sages mother. I get it when you have fucked her brains out, but on other runs I don't get it. Been a while since I played previous chapters but nothing comes to mind.

Well, even if you don't fuck her she still slaps your ass, squeezes your cock while you eat your lunch, and tries to give you a footjob...pick one
Besides, its not the first time MC would overreacts about something

 

[DavDR]

John Boy specifically mentions the HOTs doing community work:
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The implication is that the HOTs are doing the same sort of "work" the DIKs do when we send them to earn money in the mansion mini-game. It just happens offscreen because no one cares when the HOTs to boring stuff fully clothed.



But it's only your assertion that they must be getting mana from heaven. We know Bella has a job because it's plot relevant. If Sage or one of the minor characters earned their pocket money doing minimum wage work, we'd probably only know about it if we stumbled upon them working (the way we did with Beth).

Maya is the only case where the lack of a job is an actual oversight, because we KNOW she has a pressing need for money yet the topic of earning it through a job has never come up (despite the MC/Josy supposedly wanting to help her). For all the other characters, the only ones with a pressing need for money were the DIKs, and we see them start working once the MC convinces them to stand on their own two feet.


It goes both ways. We shouldn't be afraid to criticize the story for its shortcomings, but we don't need to castigate it for flaws that can be easily explained away in game.

Uhmm excuse me but didn't the MC of this game spend more than half the game so far looking for a place to stay? And have you ever seen a college campus where the overwhelming majority of the students lived in the dorms or at a greek house? What about off campus apartments? Couldn't the MC have solved his housing problems with a cheap studio apartment? Maybe he could spend some of his prostitute money on rent? That's so easily explained away.