VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[Meushi]

Sure, the Interlude could just access the save data as a test, but what exactly does that prove? DPC has presumably already tested that. Unless the Interlude tosses in a screen showing the imported variables (which DPC would never do, IMHO), it needs to branch based on that data to be worth importing it at this point. (Or, as I said, it needs to add new data based on choices within the Interlude.)

You can never test enough, which is why there are regularly v0.8.1 etc. The ramification of bugs with the save transfer are much greater, so more rigorous testing is sensible.

DPC's done dev testing, his QA people have done UA testing, then you release it to the great unwashed and they find all the other bugs you missed, such as problems which only occur in particular OS/hardware etc.

DPC told us himself in that status update that the interlude is an "opportunity to make sure that the save transfers from Season 2 to Season 3 works for all of your games" (i.e. testing), so I'm puzzled why you're debating this particular point? The dev himself can't be 100% sure it will work for everyone yet.

As to how DPC could test the imported variables without using them in earnest for choices etc., that's trivial. Like his anti-modding code, you have some variable test(s) in code early in the game & if it fails, you give the user a message telling them their save transfer failed and close the game before they progress further. Affected Patreons tell DPC, who can then work out the scale of the issue & what fixes might be done.

If he doesn't do something of that nature, then he's got no idea if only half the variables came across in the save transfer or the like. Then months later when he releases episode 0.9 he gets a flood of support calls because his subscribers playthrough is borked.

Hopefully this will all be moot & everything goes fine. Other games have done such save transfers, though undoubtedly not involving the same volume of variables as BaDIK.

 

[Klopdwerg]

Yup. I was stuck on this part for about 2 hours....
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This scene and music made a huge impact on me. Sage opening up and MC telling her that she made also a huge different for her parents as they did for her... damn

 

[M00nSh1ne_X]

Of course right now my daughter is all like, "Eew Gross!" when she sees two people kissing, so it's gonna be several years before she's up to the task, not to mention the legal age to look at what she's creating...

 

[Paranoid丶Chen]

So can we be sure that Maya will end the game as prostitution?

 

[J.A.L.]

Jill isn't at the party, but lives there, so it could be her, though I'd be surprised. Ashley, Elena, Heather, Melanie, and Sarah are all upstairs. Quinn too, but it's not her. So yeah, it could be just about anyone. And of course, Arieth is at the Jock party.

Someone already said: it´s Arieth. The guy is let´s say "eccentric", like Arieth, and can´t find his daughter because Arieth is in the wrong party.

 

[Arigon]

I will say it again for those who think DPC is a great "writer". He is not. He is ok. He HIMSELF will tell you that writing is his weak point, and his stories (both of them) suffer from his inability to follow complete thoughts when writing, and to come to reasonable and logical points and conclusions.

That said, he is probably one of the most incredible artists in this "industry".

He has the second best sound track hands down for his AVN. Some would argue first. I prefer Leap of Faith by Drifty for the soundtrack Oscar.

His production is pretty damned slick.

His process is a fail.

He claims he is solo at all of this. He has promised erroneously that he will deliver 12 episodes at a minimum, with some of you crazy guys thinking 16-20. At his current production level, with his complications that he adds in needlessly, and the branching story arcs, you are looking at 2033 for chapter 16 boyos! Not going to happen. Erase that from your memory. He will NOT do that.

He is burned out. This project is too big for one person. I certainly do not think he is sticking to being a one man show out of greed. He is someone who is pretty hard to please. He doesn't want to let go of any part of this, beyond some beta readers. He wants to tell us some Medieval Lustful Tales. Anyhow, the unbelievers will not believe it till chapter 10 has the end credits for the whole AVN so I will just let that go.

The guy does a great wingman. He is pretty fucking awesome at his lewds.

I give full credit where credit is due.

I wish he would hire a writer/director to help him out with story content, planning, and execution. It would make the whole product so much better.

All that said. Clearly I am an Asshole since I am being critical of the Holy Grail of your fantasy fapfest! As my dear compatriot and shining white knight shazba stated; An asshole I am.... Maybe not as BIG an asshole as I was in my... what did he say???? Oh yeah, in my Prime, yet an Asshole I honestly and truly remain!

Peace to all of you, even the ones who will flame my post! Oh and good will and shit too!

 

[Lightaces]

So can we be sure that Maya will end the game as prostitution?

No, but I wouldn't be shocked if that was ONE of the endings. It would be a bad ending, for her, though. I could see Josy as a stripper, but the only LI I think could really handle being a (VERY high end) escort would be Bella. If she can get over her husband, and Tremolo, she's got the mental strength to do it, and the sexuality. And like I said, she would be unbelievably expensive!!!

(To all the Bella Stans, this is NOT, in any way, an insult of Bella. She's a strong, independent, very desirable woman. She would never be anyone's victim in the scenario I'm suggesting. She'd be a BOSS.)

 

[Lightaces]

I will say it again for those who think DPC is a great "writer". He is not. He is ok. He HIMSELF will tell you that writing is his weak point, and his stories (both of them) suffer from his inability to follow complete thoughts when writing, and to come to reasonable and logical points and conclusions.

That said, he is probably one of the most incredible artists in this "industry".

He has the second best sound track hands down for his AVN. Some would argue first. I prefer Leap of Faith by Drifty for the soundtrack Oscar.

His production is pretty damned slick.

His process is a fail.

He claims he is solo at all of this. He has promised erroneously that he will deliver 12 episodes at a minimum, with some of you crazy guys thinking 16-20. At his current production level, with his complications that he adds in needlessly, and the branching story arcs, you are looking at 2033 for chapter 16 boyos! Not going to happen. Erase that from your memory. He will NOT do that.

He is burned out. This project is too big for one person. I certainly do not think he is sticking to being a one man show out of greed. He is someone who is pretty hard to please. He doesn't want to let go of any part of this, beyond some beta readers. He wants to tell us some Medieval Lustful Tales. Anyhow, the unbelievers will not believe it till chapter 10 has the end credits for the whole AVN so I will just let that go.

The guy does a great wingman. He is pretty fucking awesome at his lewds.

I give full credit where credit is due.

I wish he would hire a writer/director to help him out with story content, planning, and execution. It would make the whole product so much better.

All that said. Clearly I am an Asshole since I am being critical of the Holy Grail of your fantasy fapfest! As my dear compatriot and shining white knight shazba stated; An asshole I am.... Maybe not as BIG an asshole as I was in my... what did he say???? Oh yeah, in my Prime, yet an Asshole I honestly and truly remain!

Peace to all of you, even the ones who will flame my post! Oh and good will and shit too!

Why is it you assume he is lying in his updates? Because that is what you are saying - that DPC is just lying.

 

[Arigon]

Why is it you assume he is lying in his updates? Because that is what you are saying - that DPC is just lying.

I am.
He is over promising.
He will not deliver.
It is just plain math and the fact the guy will not let others work on the project to share the real workload.
It is ok, you do not have to believe me.
Just do some simple math yourself.
Tell me that he gets done before 2033.
Peace

 

[znar25]

If it takes many years to tell this story, I think a top level Patron contributor, should also have the option of being buried in a BaDIK themed casket. And wearing the DIKs jacket.

They might not see the end of the story but the story will be with them in spirit to the grave.

 

[znar25]

Chick alignment-- Josy/Maya path (no sides).

We know exactly how Josy feels about MC. A very sweet moment.

 

[Paranoid丶Chen]

No, but I wouldn't be shocked if that was ONE of the endings.

I think so.
Josy's carefree college life may be what prompted Maya to move towards this result.
But if it does happen, I will be sad.
Hope that DPC can at least give me a choice to avoid this ending.

 

[J.A.L.]

He is burned out. This project is too big for one person. I certainly do not think he is sticking to being a one man show out of greed. He is someone who is pretty hard to please. He doesn't want to let go of any part of this, beyond some beta readers. (...)
I wish he would hire a writer/director to help him out with story content, planning, and execution. It would make the whole product so much better.

Agree with your comment. I think the guy has a creative mind, and that´s the most important think, but he lacks of technical skills for writing a well rounded script for a big game like this one. In terms of size and complexity, this game can be compared with an indie hit like "Life is Strange". I´m not saying that "Life is Strange" is a well written game. It´s an ideologically biased game with an awful script full of tricks to manipulate the (usually young and manipulable) players and that doesn´t respond the main questions of the game. But it´s a profesional ideologically biased game with a manipulative script made by a professional team of writers, coders and graphic artists, and that shows. Hence the success of the game.

I don´t know if DPC don´t hire help because he´s greedy, of hard to please and don´t want let go any part of his "creature". But, if the second case is the truth, there are a lot of tasks in a game like this one that doesn´t need to give up any creative control. Coding, for example. Or making certain routine renders, like the ones of empty rooms or sceneries and the ones of the cicle of two characters maintaining a conversation with close-ups of their faces and slight changes of expression, mouths open or closed, etc. Things like those than don´t need creativity, but for sure are time-consuming, and someone could do them for him while he makes more important things. Even if he don´t hire a writer/director and wants to retain control of all the game, there are a lot of things that could do for improving the game and shorten release times, by hiring some help.

 

[Arigon]

Agree with your comment. I think the guy has a creative mind, and that´s the most important think, but he lacks of technical skills for writing a well rounded script for a big game like this one. In terms of size and complexity, this game can be compared with an indie hit like "Life is Strange". I´m not saying that "Life is Strange" is a well written game. It´s an ideologically biased game with an awful script full of tricks to manipulate the (usually young and manipulable) players and that doesn´t respond the main questions of the game. But it´s a profesional ideologically biased game with a manipulative script made by a professional team of writers, coders and graphic artists, and that shows. Hence the success of the game.

I don´t know if DPC don´t hire help because he´s greedy, of hard to please and don´t want let go any part of his "creature". But, if the second case is the truth, there are a lot of tasks in a game like this one that doesn´t need to give up any creative control. Coding, for example. Or making certain routine renders, like the ones of empty rooms or sceneries and the ones of the cicle of two characters maintaining a conversation with close-ups of their faces and slight changes of expression, mouths open or closed, etc. Things like those than don´t need creativity, but for sure are time-consuming, and someone could do them for him while he makes more important things. Even if he don´t hire a writer/director and wants to retain control of all the game, there are a lot of things that could do for improving the game and shorten release times, by hiring some help.

So very true.
He won't do it though.
That is why his story will suffer more as it nears the end, just like Acting Lessons did. I am not saying we are going to have an AL ending, but his story lost all credibility at the point of the fire and not being able to carry out two small girls, even if Athletic was your chosen trait. He wanted that grit and pain, but failed. He introduced us to the psycho nurse in such a haphazard way that it was a fail. Here he will tie up endings. Whether he does it well or sloppy??? My bet is the latter. Because he just can't plan it and execute it in a believable or even just a decent fashion. He doesn't have that skill set in him. He SHOULD hire someone to do that for him.
Alas I have said that before. I said it to him. He does not take criticisms well, even very constructive ones... thus the asshole in me comes out,
Peace

 

[shazba]

Ash ? Who's Ash ? Clearly not Ashley considering your description.

Oops, I meant Rox.

 

[J.A.L.]

They don’t reply to the cluck. Josy just sends a text.

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Maya&Josy what a pair of control freaks! For sure they want a spineless Tremolo to play him as a fiddle. They are not even in a real relationship with him, and trying to make him feel bad for a funny photo with other girls. That "we think higher of you" and the kiss is in the first page of the book "Course for manipulative bitches 101". I´m glad I have never played this path.

 

[felicemastronzo]

But just going back a few responses ago, your major disagreement was that the previous dramas (particularly M&J not choosing a throuple and Jill accepting Tybalt's conditions) were absolutely huge. I disagree. They were just speedbumps. Just like all the drama so far.

Maybe some people playing this game are too sensitive?

not exactly

Maya and Josy's decision is only the end of the cycle, but even if they accept MC's proposal, in my opinion, the fact remains that their story of betrayals, escapes and renunciations narratively dominates the first season. you can't talk about the first season without talking about them, you can omit the other things that happen, but not their story, it is dominant.

and it's a dramatic story, not a comic story.

in a lesser tone the same can be said for Tybalt's blackmail, which is less dominant (because it's worse and because overall the season is emptier, the second most important thing of the season is a minigame...) and is essentially concentrated in the sixth chapter, after that it almost disappears. but even there if we stick to how it acts on Jill it remains a dramatic moment

in a porn game, everything apart from the sex is technically a "speed bump", everything only serves to distance the various hot moments, but what gives substance to the story, to that of BADIK at least, are the dramatic moments. when a new chapter comes out i'm not "anxious" for the new gags of arieth and derek, but for the various subplots that co-involve the characters, and rarely are they "funny" issues

 

[M00nSh1ne_X]

So, Im missing two scenes (after the sage&quinn one). Thought Maybe one of them was for a Quinn only route, but nothing!
What am I missing? Pretty sure I tried every LI road now.

 

[felicemastronzo]

I don't think Sage is going to push Chad for an apology any further (assuming you told her), though I'm sure she'd still like one.

But I don't understand what you're saying about Mona. By the time Sage took an actual interest in Maya (as opposed to dismissing her concerns about Quinn in Episode 3), Mona had already left. You note that Sage has tried to contact Mona since then. Since she isn't returning the calls, what more do you think Sage should be doing? Even if Sage has Mona's address and it was within a reasonable distance, there's no guarantee dropping by uninvited would go much better.

I didn't say Sage will force an apology from Chad, but it's a transition that needs to happen, I'm sure it will.

Sage humiliated herself by going to ask Chad for the truth, he ran away again, it can't be considered a closed chapter. i'm convinced of it, but of course i can't prove it or even repeat it from now to chapter 9 (assuming it happens there)

in the seventh chapter, Sage takes care of the problem of the sisters who renounced to become HOTs, and after having given the task to Quinn, she takes Maya's story in her own hands. Maya is definitely a more improtant character than Mona, but I was sure that at some point she was going to take care of her too. the dialogue between Camilla and Riona, about Mona not answering the phone, wasn't enough to close the matter,

in fact, in the eighth chapter, Sage speaks about it directly, Mona is also a problem she wants to solve. then she may or may not be able to do it (I think Mona will come back in the story), but the fact that Sage had to take care of it personally, I was sure it would happen, it couldn't be left to the backstage, to what happens and we don't see it.

 

[mindern]

So, Im missing two scenes (after the sage&quinn one). Thought Maybe one of them was for a Quinn only route, but nothing!
What am I missing? Pretty sure I tried every LI road now.

Madame?

I’d have to go check the actual game but they’re the ones people miss. you gotta phone her for two new and totally not stomach churning scenes.