VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[DavDR]

I don't think she is literally being blackmailed. But we are completely missing her motives, what she needs this money for. Which will make a lot of difference

Really? Are you saying desperation for money is an excuse for immoral behavior? Are we going to have some cringe ending where it's revealed that Quinn is a totally innocent person that just really needed money? Don't make me vomit.

 

[NebulousShooter]

Really? Are you saying desperation for money is an excuse for immoral behavior? Are we going to have some cringe ending where it's revealed that Quinn is a totally innocent person that just really needed money? Don't make me vomit.

How is she is a shithead because she is a shithead a better explanation than she is a shithead because for her the ends justify the means?

 

[felicemastronzo]

Really? Are you saying desperation for money is an excuse for immoral behavior? Are we going to have some cringe ending where it's revealed that Quinn is a totally innocent person that just really needed money? Don't make me vomit.

I have no idea what DPC has in mind, but it makes a difference.
Apparently Quinn needs a lot of money, the restaurant isn't enough, the joints aren't enough, the jocks' scams aren't enough, the hard drugs aren't enough either...

Nothing changes from the point of view of responsibility, but whether she does it to become the new Rox or does it to fix some big problem changes the judgement on her. If she does it out of pride and vainglory is one thing, if she does it to get rid of a debt, to solve a serious problem is very different.

 

[1000Spiders]

Very disappointing list... What if instead DPC gave you a nice 60fps animation of a puddle of rain falling in with all the reflections possible? It will take a month, but it will be worth it

Now you're thinking like a businessman. Shit, son, with ideas like that, you could be a CEO one day!

 

[Joshuam303]

when I choose the threesome with Nicole and Lily and I am in the bed with them if I spoon one does that mean that I can't date the other? or am I still able to date both?

 

[DavDR]

I have no idea what DPC has in mind, but it makes a difference.
Apparently Quinn needs a lot of money, the restaurant isn't enough, the joints aren't enough, the jocks' scams aren't enough, the hard drugs aren't enough either...

Nothing changes from the point of view of responsibility, but whether she does it to become the new Rox or does it to fix some big problem changes the judgement on her. If she does it out of pride and vainglory is one thing, if she does it to get rid of a debt, to solve a serious problem is very different.

No, that's still the ends justify the means. Even if she's paying for her Mother's rehab or treatment in a mental health facility, it's still not justified (and once again DPC's ignorance is a factor. In the US all of that would be paid for by social services).

I foresee a huge cringe coming.

 

[DavDR]

How is she is a shithead because she is a shithead a better explanation than she is a shithead because for her the ends justify the means?

The ends never justify the means

 

[felicemastronzo]

No, that's still the ends justify the means. Even if she's paying for her Mother's rehab or treatment in a mental health facility, it's still not justified (and once again DPC's ignorance is a factor. In the US all of that would be paid for by social services).

I foresee a huge cringe coming.

Never mind the question of realism. But even in court, circumstances make a difference. Whether I steal a kilogram of bread because I'm hungry or to give it to the ducks in the park is not the same thing

 

[DarkKiller]

No, that's still the ends justify the means. Even if she's paying for her Mother's rehab or treatment in a mental health facility, it's still not justified (and once again DPC's ignorance is a factor. In the US all of that would be paid for by social services).

I foresee a huge cringe coming.

Or perhaps she's simply just a cunt with no marketable skills other than drug peddling and pimping, so she just keeps doing what she does best. DPC is on the record saying she's an antagonist so doing a 180º and turning her into a victim that needs saving is not necessarily the way things must go.

Did you expect Quinn to have a decent size and loyal fanbase? From where did your inspiration for Quinn's character come?

I expected Quinn to be very polarizing. She is nowhere near a fan favorite based on polls, but she's unmatched in the game for those who enjoy a character like her. The inspiration was to create an antagonist that you'd either love to hate or hate to love. For me, Quinn is a character I love to write.

 

[RainbowConnection]

Or perhaps she's simply just a cunt with no marketable skills other than drug peddling and pimping, so she just keeps doing what she does best. DPC is on the record saying she's an antagonist so doing a 180º and turning her into a victim that needs saving is not necessarily the way things must go.

I think she's an antagonist in the same way Chad was.

 

[Joshuam303]

is there anyway to see which paths are active?

Because I am not sure if I got sandys active even though I wanted too

 

[DavDR]

Never mind the question of realism. But even in court, circumstances make a difference. Whether I steal a kilogram of bread because I'm hungry or to give it to the ducks in the park is not the same thing

A lot of people think that but it usually doesn't, especially not in Quinn's situation where she exploits other individuals to get what she wants. We saw her persuading Cami to be a prostitute, we also saw her introducing Tommy to hard drugs. (We don't know which drug but you don't inject THC, so it's something harder)

I swear, sometimes trying to explain ethics to people is like trying to explain space/time theory to a cat

 

[Ostap Bender]

A lot of people think that but it usually doesn't, especially not in Quinn's situation where she exploits other individuals to get what she wants. We saw her persuading Cami to be a prostitute, we also saw her introducing Tommy to hard drugs. (We don't know which drug but you don't inject THC, so it's something harder)

I swear, sometimes trying to explain ethics to people is like trying to explain space/time theory to a cat

How many times a day do you jerk off to your own reflection? I mean, either you have a mighty high opinion of yourself or a piss poor opinion of others, if you think it's okay for you to lecture full grown adults on matters of ethics in such a condescending, self-righteous manner. Not to mention you're doing that on a porn website, while discussing how wrong it is for one pixelated girl to persuade another pixelated girl to become a sex worker.

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

Actually, I have always had a soft spot for Quinn.
I'm still pissed at her though for how she treats Maya.

Quinn/Maya throuple when?

 

[KАRАMBA]

I swear, sometimes trying to explain ethics to people is like trying to explain space/time theory to a cat

But why are you surprised? What is ethics ?

"Ethics is a field of philosophy that studies moral principles and norms of behavior. It defines what is right and wrong, good and evil, fair and unfair, and how people should behave in society."

In other words, you are trying to tell other people what is good and what is evil, what is fair and what is not fair.
But not all people are ready to accept other people's opinions.
Yes, you can call it ethics, morality, rules or “values”, but in essence it remains nothing more than an opinion.
Just someone's opinion.
Ok, maybe this opinion is true, but people can have their own opinions.
Just as the ethics of socialists differ from the ethics of capitalists.
Perhaps Quinn has her own opinion and her own view on such things as morality.
Morality is changing. Today's morality and the morality of society of the 19th -18th centuries are completely different things.

 

[Zohmbie]

riona is hot and sweet. i like quinn too.

karen and sally should have their own routes.

 

[DavDR]

How many times a day do you jerk off to your own reflection? I mean, either you have a mighty high opinion of yourself or a piss poor opinion of others, if you think it's okay for you to lecture full grown adults on matters of ethics in such a condescending, self-righteous manner. Not to mention you're doing that on a porn website, while discussing how wrong it is for one pixelated girl to persuade another pixelated girl to become a sex worker.

Thanks for proving my point.

Ethical theory is one of many tools that authors use to craft stories. It's key in making sympathetic characters. Understanding ET is also key in writing an Anti-hero story, because you need to understand the structure to deconstruct it and still make your character sympathetic.

Crafting a story is a skill, like building a computer or manufacturing an engine. If you don't have those skills it makes it harder to do those things. It just doesn't work.

A good story is vital if you are writing a book or movie or game, even a porn game.

Duh!

 

[shazba jnr]

I don't think she is literally being blackmailed. But we are completely missing her motives, what she needs this money for. Which will make a lot of difference

Really? Are you saying desperation for money is an excuse for immoral behavior? Are we going to have some cringe ending where it's revealed that Quinn is a totally innocent person that just really needed money? Don't make me vomit.

Ohhh nooo! I feel my self getting sucked into this vortex of Internet argumentation!!!!

Tooo late, I'm in!!!

Yeah, anyway, when we understand someone's motives, we can sympathise with them. That doesn't mean we can excuse their bad behaviour, but it can explain why their bad behaviour exists.

Quinn is a product of her upbringing. Raised in a drug dealing environment by a dad that taught her to trust no one and keep those she uses at arms lengths; so that's what she does. Her being a cunt isn't justified, it's just explained.

Just like Jill is raised in an overprotective environment with its own social expectations. That's why she's naive, bordering on a little bit stupid. She's not excuse for being an idiot at times, but at least we know why.

The mc's dad is a very emotional guy, and he raised the mc on his own, so when Fuckface gets overly emotional at times, we may want to punch his lights out, but at least we know why he's that way.

And can I just say, Joshy92 trolled y'all good!

...Even if she's paying for her Mother's rehab or treatment in a mental health facility, it's still not justified (and once again DPC's ignorance is a factor. In the US all of that would be paid for by social services)...

Am I missing something, like how can someone's speculation that Quinn's mom is in rehab be an example of DPC's ignorance?

 

[Joshy92]

I wasn't actually trolling.
It's just I'm willing to give Quinn the benefit of the doubt because she is a hot chick.
If she was a guy I would already be saying 'Throw that bastard in prison'

And I can sympathize with the mc getting a bit more emotional than normal because I do at times myself.

 

[John Ness]

It's just I'm willing to give Quinn the benefit of the doubt because she is a hot chick.
If she was a guy I would already be saying 'Throw that bastard in prison'

This kind of double standard can often be heard from women, especially feminists. But when a man does the same: