VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[ffive]

I think one of the main reasons updates take so long is the amount of branching or stuff like that and I would much rather lots of branching than the typical trash game on here which has such riveting choices as 'do you want to see this sex scene?'

I mean, for the most part the choices in BaDIK boil down to whose sex scene you will see or skip, too.

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

The Patreon system is cool and allow to support an endeavor with little if no guarantee. Problem is when patrons detract it from his meaning (updating a game) to a render/report project.

When devs realized this, that pigeons give them money whether or not they update the game. Why would they bother? That's what those people are encouraging with their amoral attitude. Procrastination.

In the end, good for the devs. They don't need to work anymore. Just sad for the players as the updates now take more than one year and games progress at the speed of a snail.


Let's not get make DPC a martyr though.

Never a martyr. There is something to scold him for. An obsession with control, a ridiculous solution with 60 fps animations, heavy censorship on Discord/Patreon and aversion to criticism... But I won’t blame the DPC for doing business, it’s ridiculous. After all, every game developer doing business.
And here there is something to agree with, BaDIK and top games have a one-year development cycle. With huge updates, visuals that have stepped far forward in 5 years and this is really difficult for one person, Felice correctly noted here. But we have what we have. Personally, I would prefer large updates than 300 renders for half an hour once a month, as was before.

Which it great ep 10 did that but if DPC was worried about his money he would be moving faster, personally I don't think number from the around the update and after it count unless he keeps them it the middle numbers that between updates that count

He may and will begin to worry if there is a strong downward trend on Patreon, which is not observed now. Plus sales on Steam.

 

[Cabin Fever]

OMG, both are you are Fake.

DPC was a A Part-time developer, before Badik episode 5. Episode 5 from start to finish was the first episode when he worked at as a Full Time Game developer, . Everything before that, including the whole , and entire Acting Lessons was made while he had a " Rel life Job", and game development was just a Side gig for him, and in fact, he worked faster when game development was just a hobbie project to him. Kind of Ironic.

So, Yeah in fact he is working slower now, with much more time, and way , way better equipment, because it is in his interest to not make it fast.

Well, here's why I think you are wrong. Even back in the day, DPC wasn't leaving his computer idle while he was working on his day job. His computer was rendering 24/7 back then too. So the limiting factor wasn't how much time he spent on "creating", but how fast his computer could render his creation. The fact that he wasn't a full time developer was somewhat irrelevant.

 

[Cabin Fever]

Rendering is way faster than creating... Just saying...

If that were the case, it would literally be impossible to have a queue to render 24/7... Just saying...

 

[Darkwen]

He may and will begin to worry if there is a strong downward trend on Patreon, which is not observed now. Plus sales on Steam.

That could happen if patreon's get tired of waiting it would test if DPC really means it when he says he would keep making the game even if he was the only one playing

 

[Darkwen]

Rendering is way faster than creating... Just saying...

There a lot of women that would disagree with that

 

[ffive]

Well, mate, I think complexity matters... There's a big difference between a novel (because I don't consider them games) that's just "blah blah blah", "do you wanna see that scene?", "blah blah blah", "do you wanna see that scene?", and so on, and a game that has a complexity of branches, decisions, and variables attached to it.

However, that's basically just nothing but obfuscation of the same, simple premise, isn't it? The branching and the decisions don't actually influence the plot in any noticeable manner beyond whose sex scenes you will see on the given playthrough. Now, i'm not excluding possibility this suddenly changes, but i also don't think the likeliness of that happening is high, half way through.

Moreover, you can say that BaDIK is really a game: even if you want to see a scene, you may blunder and not be able to do it. The proof is there's a walkthrough and people in the forums asking for help to unlock some scenes, while in those "skipnetic" games, not even the really mentally challenged needs a walkthrough to see any scene.

I see people ask for walkthrough or "full saves" even for simplest of games because they're first and foremost fucking lazy and would rather get spoon-fed for guaranteed outcome (i.e. these sex scenes) than even try to think for themselves. BaDIK is still a Choose Your Own Adventure book at heart: sure, maybe with a few more decision points, but it doesn't really change its basic nature.

 

[Kpyna]

Hell, more thing happend in episode 5, than in episode 9 .

Nope... EP5 party was several times smaller than EP9. There are no flashbacks and other stuff, which also works as story progression.

Of course there are really slow moments but are you telling me the story is moving faster now?

I think this fact does not deserve to be disputed... both story moving faster and bigger number of events per episode. I mean really significant ones.

 

[ChipLecsap]

Well, here's why I think you are wrong. Even back in the day, DPC wasn't leaving his computer idle while he was working on his day job. His computer was rendering 24/7 back then too. So the limiting factor wasn't how much time he spent on "creating", but how fast his computer could render his creation. The fact that he wasn't a full time developer was somewhat irrelevant.

I can't confirm or deny this, and neither you. DPC can say whatever the fuck he wants to say, and it's up to individual person whether to believe him or not. I tend to belive him less and less, personally.

past experience however showed, he was more productive when he was a part time developer.
after all he did finish a game over in a year. He was able to tel a full story, with a bit more than 5000 Render, now he need 5000 render for a Halloween party night. and at the same amount of time, with more free time, and better, way better equipment than one 1080ti.

 

[ffive]

past experience however showed, he was more productive when he was a part time developer.
after all he did finish a game over in a year. He was able to tel a full story, with a bit more than 5000 Render, now he need 5000 render for a Halloween party night. and at the same amount of time, with more free time, and better, way better equipment than one 1080ti.

I think it'd be more accurate to say DPC used to be more concise, not productive.

His productivity (in terms of code, renders etc) is on similar, if not higher level. But he now spends way more of resources on every single, small bit of his story where previously he'd be thriftier with the allocation and thus faster with delivering tangible output.

 

[ChipLecsap]

Nope... EP5 party was several times smaller than EP9. There are no flashbacks and other stuff, which also works as story progression.

there is an actual day and night circle in episode 5. That is the point, it's not a couple of hours in a party. You start with the evaluation, go to the party than spend the night at Bella, Drive home cathy, and the morning, time with Bella and Jill, Yoga, Sauna, pancake and than you visit Sage, and Josy and Maya, and then MC visit the mansion give a speech and get his jacket.

in ep 9, in 90% you are in the Dik mansion walking to one room to an another. ep 9 felt claustrophobic

and extremely funny that that 10 % flashback, in before halloween somehow MC did not find the time to tell Josy and Maya that he chose or not chose them, but he had time to sexting with Lily, or visit a hospital for STD test.

 

[weirdscix]

If that were the case, it would literally be impossible to have a queue to render 24/7... Just saying...

Nope, it can take considerable time to set up a scene, especially when you have multiple characters, there's a reason why Render Queue from the Daz store is so popular

 

[Ottoeight]

I guess the dude who just asked whether being with Jade ruins the Sage branch just forgot how Sage punched Chad like he was a punching bag.

I guess he forgot when MC and Sage talk about her anger issues too...

 

[weirdscix]

Yep, Sage will have no issue with you dicking her mom behind her dads back, nope, not at all

 

[Hobodouken]

A Sage and Jade throw down would be pretty interesting for the story if it was to ever happen. Bring on the daytime talk show antics. I'm all for it. With that said, my money is on the Fiery Redhead.

 

[dalli_x]

The story was moving faster? At the end of EP5 we are barely passed through 1(!!) week in game universe. Even if the events was intense it was just a Hell week stuff and first week in college. Which is NOTHING in terms of planned year for the whole story.

I assume that Darkwen meant the development of the story for the characters and not the time component of the story.

EP1-EP4 served to get to know the characters of the game and to make a future-oriented decision regarding the LIs with EP4. That's why it's tied to the EP4 branch.

EP5-EP8 are intended to consolidate or change the decision made by the player regarding the LIs. I assume that changing an LI between EP5 and EP8 will only have milder consequences. But in EP8 the selection of the LI is made fixed.

In Season 3, the MC's player can finally start to strengthen the relationship the MC has entered into and set the course for a future with his girl in the right direction, or he can really mess it up by cheating. In this respect, EP9 was really enlightening because the TC points were introduced and the MC may or may not collect a lot of such points during the Halloween party. Remember what Jill said in EP4. As long as the MC isn't in a committed relationship, dating other girls isn't a problem. But in EP8 we had to make a firm branch decision.

So I think for Riona's kidnapping to actually be the introduction to the Season 4 theme.

 

[Cabin Fever]

I can't confirm or deny this, and neither you. DPC can say whatever the fuck he wants to say, and it's up to individual person whether to believe him or not. I tend to belive him less and less, personally.

past experience however showed, he was more productive when he was a part time developer.
after all he did finish a game over in a year. He was able to tel a full story, with a bit more than 5000 Render, now he need 5000 render for a Halloween party night. and at the same amount of time, with more free time, and better, way better equipment than one 1080ti.

Well, I have a fair number of issues with the way DPC operates, but I haven't come across an any good reason why he'd lie about his development work yet. Literally every single bit of talk about "slacking off", "slowing down", "milking", etc. are pure speculation with no actual proof whatsoever.

As far as 5000 renders for a full AL stories vs 5000 renders for an episode of BADIK, it goes back to my same point - not all episodes are created equal. And for the same reason, not all renders are created equal. And surely you are not saying AL is as complicated and expansive a story as BADIK, right?

 

[Lightaces]

I looked this up on Dr. PinkCake’s Patreon blog out of curiosity.

• Episode 1 of Acting Lessons dropped May 2018.
• Ep 2, mid-May.
• Ep 3, mid-June.
• Ep 4, mid-July.
• Ep 5, mid-August.
• Ep 6, mid-September.
• Ep 7, mid-October.
• Ep 8 (final), December 2018.

Eight episodes in eight months. I know; it’s hard to imagine lately!

While Dr. PinkCake was dropping those last episodes, he was simultaneously developing Being a DIK. He completed four episodes—the entirety of Season 1—in 2019. I get why it took him longer to work on Being a DIK: more paths, mini-games, and detail.

He’s since slowed down a lot. Partly because of perfectionism, and partly to milk (and potentially lose) patrons. But that quarterly schedule shows us what he’s truly capable of.

The total size of Acting Lessons is less than 1/8th of the size of BADik at this point. Your argument is asinine.

 

[Darkwen]

I assume that Darkwen meant the development of the story for the characters and not the time component of the story.

EP1-EP4 served to get to know the characters of the game and to make a future-oriented decision regarding the LIs with EP4. That's why it's tied to the EP4 branch.

EP5-EP8 are intended to consolidate or change the decision made by the player regarding the LIs. I assume that changing an LI between EP5 and EP8 will only have milder consequences. But in EP8 the selection of the LI is made fixed.

In Season 3, the MC's player can finally start to strengthen the relationship the MC has entered into and set the course for a future with his girl in the right direction, or he can really mess it up by cheating. In this respect, EP9 was really enlightening because the TC points were introduced and the MC may or may not collect a lot of such points during the Halloween party. Remember what Jill said in EP4. As long as the MC isn't in a committed relationship, dating other girls isn't a problem. But in EP8 we had to make a firm branch decision.

So I think for Riona's kidnapping to actually be the introduction to the Season 4 theme.

Your right what I meant was that the story was developing faster and the relationships with characters, sometimes time moved slowly and other times it was moving faster but the point is the story made progress which is the important part

 

[Moni23]

Yeah, but every episode actually moved forward that event , and its actually started in episode 3 , the whole hell week arc. stil more than episode 9. Hell, more thing happend in episode 5, than in episode 9 .

You are right, there are no more events, there are more routes. In season 1, we all played the same playthrough with minor changes. Now the game is divided into routes with a lot of exclusive content. As a result, the game grows in width, not in length.
I think the DPC could have stayed in the 2 updates per year mode if they had left only 5 main girls available for relationships, and the rest only as a "Fuck at a party" function. Fortunately, he didn't, because I would have quit the game then.