VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[Rehwyn]

Josy is clearly attracted to the MC, from the beginning and it remains the case no matter which path (with them) you pick.
Maya isn't, for sure not at the beginning, MC is a mean to an end (to join the HOTs and as a moral/sentimental replacement), things change, but only in some very specific cases (e.g. threesome and prefer her over Josy).
But to be fair of the 2 only Maya is the Lesbian, Josy is bi.

Technically, Maya admits she's attracted to MC who is male pretty early, so she's not strictly lesbian.

On the

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, she'd be like.. 5.5 or something. Whereas Josy is probably closer to 3.

Edit: Alternatively, on the more recent

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, Maya would be mostly 6s for her responses, at least if she's answering after meeting MC. Prior to that she'd likely have answered all 7s and identified as lesbian, but since then she's probably realized she's at least a little bit bi.

 

[Darkwen]

Maya >> Tremolo > Josy

Both of those cunts don't deserve Maya.

Josy>everyone
Alady Alady Alady

 

[c.mork]

Josy>everyone
Alady Alady Alady

 

[iamcomming]

That's why MC should just choose Broccoli. Posting anything about Quinn just makes her fight back publicly, but privately more into you.

on Quinn path, at hots party when mc post a kind of huging picture, that was soooo fun. teasing her broccoli head is fun

 

[Darkwen]

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[Rehwyn]

Give him a binary choice, either with both of them or with neither, this isn't really a mistake, but neither is very fair, if they really care less about him than eachother, should have simply told him "sod off mate, we might be friends, but that's it"

Wanted to quickly comment on this. Even if Maya and Josy feel equally as strong about MC as they do each other, I can understand them opting not to include him in their relationship if he's only into one of them.

Consider that at this point Maya and Josy have been together for probably 6+ months and MC has only been with them for something like 2 weeks. Bringing in a third person into a relationship is a huge risk. Maya and Josy know they are both interested in MC. If MC is only interested in one of them, they know the other is likely to be jealous and hurt. It's totally reasonable to decide the risk to the longer established relationship isn't worth it if you know jealousy is going to be an issue.

If MC instead likes them both, then they likely decided that jealousy is probably going to be something they can manage with good communication. Therefore, the risk to their existing relationship is lower, apparently low enough for them to decide the risk is worth the potential reward.

It sucks for a MC that's only into one of them, but it's a reasonable choice to make.

 

[Ricthequick]

Wanted to quickly comment on this. Even if Maya and Josy feel equally as strong about MC as they do each other, I can understand them opting not to include him in their relationship if he's only into one of them.

Consider that at this point Maya and Josy have been together for probably 6+ months and MC has only been with them for something like 2 weeks. Bringing in a third person into a relationship is a huge risk. Maya and Josy know they are both interested in MC. If MC is only interested in one of them, they know the other is likely to be jealous and hurt. It's totally reasonable to decide the risk to the longer established relationship isn't worth it if you know jealousy is going to be an issue.

If MC instead likes them both, then they likely decided that jealousy is probably going to be something they can manage with good communication. Therefore, the risk to their existing relationship is lower, apparently low enough for them to decide the risk is worth the potential reward.

It sucks for a MC that's only into one of them, but it's a reasonable choice to make.

To be fair no matter how right you are (you are right), more options would have been better, then sure they can pick the same outcome for themselves, nobody says they shouldn't, but for example:

1. Why can't the MC decide to tell he only likes one of them (doesn't matter who, that's not the point)?
2. Why can't he decide that it's all too much so "no thanks, but at the moment not even as friends"?

Point one could avoid part of the drama (if not all), like Josy saying "I didn't want to say anything because I was afraid to lose you both and remain alone".

Point 2 is a bit more complicated from a narrative point of view as it would remove a bunch of content, but again it's a matter of decisions on DPC's side.

I also REALLY don't like that just by being DIK on the scale, no matter what goes on with both or either the MC gets turned down anyway, that's way too gamey if you ask me.

This makes an MC that can be as dense as to book pole dances with Madame, using gloryholes, DIKing 3+ girls every party (without condoms) suddenly become someone completely different, ONLY for the 2 of them.

I did a whole rant weeks ago about how he reacts to Zoey coming back, but at least that has a meaning she was his first real love, neither Josy nor Maya are, a player has to avoid many other decisions to stick only to the 2 of them.

 

[Rehwyn]

To be fair no matter how right you are (you are right), more options would have been better, then sure they can pick the same outcome for themselves, nobody says they shouldn't, but for example:

1. Why can't the MC decide to tell he only likes one of them (doesn't matter who, that's not the point)?
2. Why can't he decide that it's all too much so "no thanks, but at the moment not even as friends"?

Point one could avoid part of the drama (if not all), like Josy saying "I didn't want to say anything because I was afraid to lose you both and remain alone".

Point 2 is a bit more complicated from a narrative point of view as it would remove a bunch of content, but again it's a matter of decisions on DPC's side.

I also REALLY don't like that just by being DIK on the scale, no matter what goes on with both or either the MC gets turned down anyway, that's way too gamey if you ask me.

This makes an MC that can be as dense as to book pole dances with Madame, using gloryholes, DIKing 3+ girls every party (without condoms) suddenly become someone completely different, ONLY for the 2 of them.

I did a whole rant weeks ago about how he reacts to Zoey coming back, but at least that has a meaning she was his first real love, neither Josy nor Maya are, a player has to avoid many other decisions to stick only to the 2 of them.

Yeah, you likely hit Point 2 on the head there. I strongly suspect the narrative DPC wants to write requires MC to be at least friendly with all 5 main LIs. Hence why you can't just cut contact with any of them.

As for Point 1, the whole scene was likely kept short for pacing purposes, though personally I'd have liked a bit more discussion too. Were it me in that situation, there likely would have been a waaay longer conversation about what we each want and expect for a potential poly relationship. But then, I'm not an 18-year-old guy with almost no relationship experience. And let's be real, most AVN players don't want a 30+ minute conversation about needs, boundaries, expectations, and communication.

 

[Ricthequick]

Yeah, you likely hit Point 2 on the head there. I strongly suspect the narrative DPC wants to write requires MC to be at least friendly with all 5 main LIs. Hence why you can't just cut contact with any of them.

As for Point 1, the whole scene was likely kept short for pacing purposes, though personally I'd have liked a bit more discussion. We're it me in that situation, there likely would have been a waaay longer conversation about what we each want and expect for a potential poly relationship. But then, I'm not an 18-year-old guy with almost no relationship experience.

Haha yes agree again, but point one would have opened up other possibilities (if DPC wanted of course), rather than having to deal with the insecurities of both Josy and Maya while in a relationship with both (friendly or more), having to deal with the insecurities of the one you pick when confronted daily by the other.

My reaction now (as most likely back when I was that age) would have been one of these 3:

1. pick just one, no matter how much one can love 2 different persons at the same time, it never is really to the same exact degree
2. picked none, never loved drama and having relationships with multiple people at the same time is always recipie for drama, no matter what
3. being a total a-hole (yes I was a proper DIK at times), screw them once to get a kick out of a threesome and then move on

In reality a similar situation never occured to me, the closest was having sex (once) with a friend of mine who was bi and already dating a girl (who wasn't a friend, but still part of the same company), it didn't turn out good... mind you sex was wild, but then all 3 of us felt like shit and... well no more friendship for me and my friend and no more partnership for her and her girlfriend.

 

[jurekrpa]

If I download season 3 will it have season 1&2 included?

 

[Cabin Fever]

If I download season 3 will it have season 1&2 included?

No

 

[Rehwyn]

Haha yes agree again, but point one would have opened up other possibilities (if DPC wanted of course), rather than having to deal with the insecurities of both Josy and Maya while in a relationship with both (friendly or more), having to deal with the insecurities of the one you pick when confronted daily by the other.

My reaction now (as most likely back when I was that age) would have been one of these 3:

1. pick just one, no matter how much one can love 2 different persons at the same time, it never is really to the same exact degree
2. picked none, never loved drama and having relationships with multiple people at the same time is always recipie for drama, no matter what
3. being a total a-hole (yes I was a proper DIK at times), screw them once to get a kick out of a threesome and then move on

In reality a similar situation never occured to me, the closest was having sex (once) with a friend of mine who was bi and already dating a girl (who wasn't a friend, but still part of the same company), it didn't turn out good... mind you sex was wild, but then all 3 of us felt like shit and... well no more friendship for me and my friend and no more partnership for her and her girlfriend.

Overall agree, except regarding point 1. Studies have generally found that on average people in poly relationships have the same (or better) relationship health and commitment compared to monogamous relationships.

Obviously it's not for everyone of course, and there aren't a lot of examples of healthy poly relationships in media and public life to model after (most people in poly relationships keep it publicly hidden due to negative social stigma), so there's more learning involved and potential mistakes along the way.

 

[Dessolos]

guys I know how we can pay off Maya's debt and get rid of her contract. Lets turn Josy into a stripper and work for the restaurant. I saw someone post some pictures what she would look like as a Stripper a day or 2 ago and they were amazing. I'd say she make a better stripper than Lilly.

 

[Ricthequick]

Overall agree, except regarding point 1. Studies have generally found that on average people in poly relationships have the same (or better) relationship health and commitment compared to monogamous relationships.

Obviously it's not for everyone of course, and there aren't a lot of examples of healthy poly relationships in media and public life to model after, so there's more learning involved and potential mistakes along the way.

Man I'm out of reactions for the day, this is just to say


also... trouble in DIKadise after the non-walk of Jill?

 

[Darkwen]

rather than having to deal with the insecurities of both Josy and Maya while in a relationship with both (friendly or more), having to deal with the insecurities of the one you pick when confronted daily by the other.

MC does help with there insecurities but it more when picking one over the other, Maya's other then loan and her problems with Josy can get taken care of just by being in relationship. Josy we see progress by spending time with her to me big thing for Josy is to overcome the fear of ending up alone everything else either comes from that honestly is minor like needing to be like or being to nice which she is getting better at but in truth if you go by the real world is very common is you usually grow out of with time

 

[Edhelharn]

also... trouble in DIKadise after the non-walk of Jill?

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I don't think there was something to do eith the walk of shame, the two times that shows MC with Jill and Rusty he was awkward, I have also a Sage playthrough and Rusty has hangover and also sad because of Micha. But to me, there was something else, maybe he had feeling for Jill at some point and still has, I don't know, we've got only her side about their date and the flashback when their first met. But I felt some jelousy from Rusty, which bothers me because I really like him.

 

[ModiThorrson]

Josy does everyone
Alady Alady Alady

look I fixed it!

Wanted to quickly comment on this. Even if Maya and Josy feel equally as strong about MC as they do each other, I can understand them opting not to include him in their relationship if he's only into one of them.

Consider that at this point Maya and Josy have been together for probably 6+ months and MC has only been with them for something like 2 weeks. Bringing in a third person into a relationship is a huge risk. Maya and Josy know they are both interested in MC. If MC is only interested in one of them, they know the other is likely to be jealous and hurt. It's totally reasonable to decide the risk to the longer established relationship isn't worth it if you know jealousy is going to be an issue.

If MC instead likes them both, then they likely decided that jealousy is probably going to be something they can manage with good communication. Therefore, the risk to their existing relationship is lower, apparently low enough for them to decide the risk is worth the potential reward.

It sucks for a MC that's only into one of them, but it's a reasonable choice to make.

you sir are a unicorn, you actually get it! lol

 

[Darkwen]

Maya is a bitch

wow that harsh dude

 

[Ricthequick]

MC does help with there insecurities but it more when picking one over the other, Maya's other then loan and her problems with Josy can get taken care of just by being in relationship. Josy we see progress by spending time with her to me big thing for Josy is to overcome the fear of ending up alone everything else either comes from that honestly is minor like needing to be like or being to nice which she is getting better at but in truth if you go by the real world is very common is you usually grow out of with time

Yep my point there was mostly that "where there's a will there's a way", if the narrative chance to only pick one was there content could have been tailored in that direction, while still including all 3 characters (MC, Maya and Josy).

The more I spin my 2 rusty brain cogs, the more I'm getting the nagging feeling that Maya is a defacto secondary MC (unlike most other LIs) and that leads to...

*puts tinfoil hat on*


The only actual positive ending involves her?

 

[Rehwyn]

Yep my point there was mostly that "where there's a will there's a way", if the narrative chance to only pick one was there content could have been tailored in that direction, while still including all 3 characters (MC, Maya and Josy).

The more I spin my 2 rusty brain cogs, the more I'm getting the nagging feeling that Maya is a defacto secondary MC (unlike most other LIs) and that leads to...

*puts tinfoil hat on*
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The only actual positive ending involves her?

My personal theory for why Maya and her loan problem is so central is that it serves as a way to bring the MC + 5 main LIs together as a team, and that narratively getting them all together is important for solving other larger problems facing the DIKs and HOTs later on.

Edit: If this is the case, if you're on a "good ending" path, I expect Maya's loan to be mostly resolved by end of Season 3, and for the "team" to pivot towards dealing with other bigger issues in Season 4. This would also give time for the MJ throuple to stabilize, potentially "come out", and show everyone's reactions to that as well.