VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[TonyMurray]

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Perspective is a funny thing. Josy is a step further away than MC here, but looks like she's all the way at the back of the platform. We know MC fits inside Josy, but from here it looks like Josy would fit inside MC (just in a different way). All he has to do is dislocate his jaw.

 

[felicemastronzo]

I would argue that she has more depth/is more fleshed out than a really good handful of the other girls. The Interlude gives us that and we don't have nearly as much dedicated time with the others. For those we do spend more time with, it's not generally spent on giving them depth, it's spent on moving the story forward in the here and now. Obviously you do start to flesh the girls out through that, but it's not the same as spending some dedicated time with them.

Also, no one complains about Josy not being fleshed out before you end up in her (parents') bed. I could give other examples, but that's the first and most noticeable comparison. I know you're making the comparison against where the other girls are by Episode 9, but it always comes off (to me) as double standards, or just making excuses because you don't like Zoey (at least Macky qualifies that by saying he finds Zoey to be a boring character – that opinion is fine).

But exactly what are you talking about?
what does Josy having sex with MC in the early chapters have to do with Zoey going from being a memory of the past to an “everyday” character in the space of an interlude? Josy is a stranger (to us not to MC) whom we get to know from there on out

I also don't understand the distinction between when the plot develops and when we spend time with characters: seeing how they behave, how they react gives them depth anyway, it doesn't have to be explicit dialogue where they tell each other.

certainly there are some sidegirls who have less depth than Zoey, but for many of the main ones I wouldn't say.

then whether or not you like the character in the end (I never said I don't like Zoey) doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the depth she has , a character at best can be uninteresting because it's not deepened. but whether or not you like her depends on what she shows, little or a lot.

Bianca won a lot of fans just by appearing at the recital, Maya lost several by going on with the chapters

 

[KАRАMBA]

I know you're making the comparison against where the other girls are by Episode 9, but it always comes off (to me) as double standards, or just making excuses because you don't like Zoey (at least Macky qualifies that by saying he finds Zoey to be a boring character – that opinion is fine).

Ok, speaking of "boring".
I already said it in this thread once about why I consider Josy, for example, a boring character. I said it, and I say it now.
I do not draw this conclusion based on her personality traits, no.
I say it because Josy does not bring anything significant or meaningful to the story.
The same applies to Zoey.
Her appearance is a plot device that was supposed to add drama to the story.
But in fact, it added a bit of tears and snot. And it looked rather comical.
MC's behavior in scenes with Zoey makes me "Spanish shame".
The plot device with Zoey's return does not add anything else to the story.
And there are no signs that this will change.
Tears and snot do not make a story great.
Great stories can be different in genre and content, but all great stories have one thing in common - conflict.
Shakespeare was the greatest storyteller, and all his stories have conflict.
What would the story of "Romeo and Juliet" be without the conflict between their families?
It would be usual bullshit that would be of no interest to anyone.
But the conflict must be high stakes.
There is a conflict in the BaDIK.
No matter what anyone says, the central event of episode 9 was the conflict with Vinny.
The reason for which was Quinn's activities. It is Quinn who is responsible for the main "problematic" aspects of this story. Without her, it would turn into a mixture of tears, snot and dubious humor.
Therefore, Divine Quinn is the most important character in this whole story.

 

[Darkwen]

Perspective is a funny thing. Josy is a step further away than MC here, but looks like she's all the way at the back of the platform. We know MC fits inside Josy, but from here it looks like Josy would fit inside MC (just in a different way). All he has to do is dislocate his jaw.

Josy fits in MC lap perfectly MC dick fits in Josy pussy perfectly, just shows they perfect for each other in every way

 

[Macky009]

Bigger isn't always better and standing next to Queen Josy, Jill comes up short

Well I agree with you that bigger is not always better. But in this case bigger is better when comparing Jill and Josy side by side. It's like a Goddess and a Human stand side by side. In this case Jill is the Goddess

 

[mostwanted8]

Some of them want to use you
Some of them want to get used by you

Don’t tell me it’s a cover cause she likes MC, I know

 

[Darth Vengeant]

When Episode 10 came out clear back in December the game got utterly screwed up. I was on the romance route with Isabella, but scenes with her did not happen that were supposed to happen (because I saw them in the Gallery). This game has turned into a mess now. This is pushing what is possible with renpy and going off the rails. It's a cool game, but just has too much over complicated stuff going on now that is a breeding ground for errors. I really don't know how to fix the Isabella problem now, kind of at a loss to play this anymore frankly.

 

[Darkwen]

Well I agree with you that bigger is not always better. But in this case bigger is better when comparing Jill and Josy side by side. It's like a Goddess and a Human stand side by side. In this case Jill is the Goddess

Jill looks good but Josy is beyond stunning to me

 

[felicemastronzo]

When Episode 10 came out clear back in December the game got utterly screwed up. I was on the romance route with Isabella, but scenes with her did not happen that were supposed to happen (because I saw them in the Gallery). This game has turned into a mess now. This is pushing what is possible with renpy and going off the rails. It's a cool game, but just has too much over complicated stuff going on now that is a breeding ground for errors. I really don't know how to fix the Isabella problem now, kind of at a loss to play this anymore frankly.

I guess the mod has played tricks on you. there is no big bug

 

[TonyMurray]

But exactly what are you talking about?
what does Josy having sex with MC in the early chapters have to do with Zoey going from being a memory of the past to an “everyday” character in the space of an interlude?

Just making a comparison. People are saying they don't like Zoey because they think she doesn't have depth, but they'll happily bang Josy at the start, when Josy doesn't have any depth. It's double standards again.

I also don't understand the distinction between when the plot develops and when we spend time with characters: seeing how they behave, how they react gives them depth anyway, it doesn't have to be explicit dialogue where they tell each other.

Depth of character is about so much more than seeing how they behave and how they react. One of the best ways to develop depth is to get into the head of the character (which you get as close to as possible here in the Interlude, with Zoey). There's only so far you can go with fleshing out a character by having them interact with the POV character. Most of what we get is developing the story, not developing the girls. The girls naturally get some development as part of that, but it's not the number one goal.

then whether or not you like the character in the end (I never said I don't like Zoey) doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the depth she has

Agreed, and that's sort of what I'm saying as well - a lot of people say they don't like Zoey, and as their reasoning, they say it's because she lacks depth. In my opinion, that's just an excuse that's easy for them to land on.

 

[Macky009]

Jill looks good but Josy is beyond stunning to me

You must have it backwards Josy looks good but Jill is beyond stunning

 

[Darkwen]

You must have it backwards Josy looks good but Jill is beyond stunning

Josy is a Goddess hardy notice Jill was even there but maybe your into manly looking "girls"

 

[felicemastronzo]

Just making a comparison. People are saying they don't like Zoey because they think she doesn't have depth, but they'll happily bang Josy at the start, when Josy doesn't have any depth. It's double standards again.

Depth of character is about so much more than seeing how they behave and how they react. One of the best ways to develop depth is to get into the head of the character (which you get as close to as possible here in the Interlude, with Zoey). There's only so far you can go with fleshing out a character by having them interact with the POV character. Most of what we get is developing the story, not developing the girls. The girls naturally get some development as part of that, but it's not the number one goal.

Agreed, and that's sort of what I'm saying as well - a lot of people say they don't like Zoey, and as their reasoning, they say it's because she lacks depth. In my opinion, that's just an excuse that's easy for them to land on.

the Josy example continues to seem really forced to me: you're in the early chapters of a porn game, a character wants to have sex, and you're supposed to reject her for consistency because after halfway through the game you're not going to be interested in an ex coming back from the dead? what's that got to do with it? how are you then having sex with Josy equates to finding her in that extraordinarily interesting way.

you use the term double standard in a curious way, 2 different situations have 2 different outcomes, because they are 2 different situations.

about the importance of listening to reasoning may be true, but it's not a rule, actions normally speak much more than facts, why a character would want to do something matters, but then whether or not he does it matters twice as much. and Zoey, since that's ultimately what you care about, once she came back did very little (and I'm not referring to sex). very few times we heard Sage's thoughts but I doubt you can call her a character with little depth.

 

[Darkwen]

Just making a comparison. People are saying they don't like Zoey because they think she doesn't have depth, but they'll happily bang Josy at the start, when Josy doesn't have any depth. It's double standards again.

Depth of character is about so much more than seeing how they behave and how they react. One of the best ways to develop depth is to get into the head of the character (which you get as close to as possible here in the Interlude, with Zoey). There's only so far you can go with fleshing out a character by having them interact with the POV character. Most of what we get is developing the story, not developing the girls. The girls naturally get some development as part of that, but it's not the number one goal.

Agreed, and that's sort of what I'm saying as well - a lot of people say they don't like Zoey, and as their reasoning, they say it's because she lacks depth. In my opinion, that's just an excuse that's easy for them to land on.

I'm bias but Josy got lots of depth to me

 

[KАRАMBA]

I'm bias but Josy got lots of depth to me

If the MC's dick penetrates completely, then the depth is more than enough.

 

[ffive]

I'm bias but Josy got lots of depth to me

I dunno, she's pretty short so her vagina probably isn't all that long.

 

[Darkwen]

I dunno, she's pretty short so her vagina probably isn't all that long.

MC got enough room inside Queen Josy's sweet little love flower

 

[funkymonkeyjedi]

If the MC's dick penetrates completely, then the depth is more than enough.

MC got enough room inside Queen Josy's sweet little love flower

C'mon be real, if the MC fully enters Josy's ass, he could see his own dick head if she opens her mouth, and risks giving himself a facial when he cums.

 

[TonyMurray]

the Josy example continues to seem really forced to me

It's fine for us not to be on the same page, and I'm not trying to force you to agree with my view, but I'm obviously having an off day in writing out my thoughts as you seem to take something very different from what I'm intending each time

All I'm trying to say is people say they don't like Zoey because they say she doesn't have depth, but they like Josy at the start of the game, when she also doesn't have depth. It's a one to one comparison, forget the sex part, that was just for me to say "this is the point of comparison, where it shows people like Josy." It's double standards because these people are not holding Josy up to the same standard as they are holding Zoey.

 

[Darkwen]

C'mon be real, if the MC fully enters Josy's ass, he could see his own dick head if she opens her mouth, and risks giving himself a facial when he cums.

Josy going to be a anal Queen