VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[TonyMurray]

But exactly what are you talking about?
what does Josy having sex with MC in the early chapters have to do with Zoey going from being a memory of the past to an “everyday” character in the space of an interlude?

Just making a comparison. People are saying they don't like Zoey because they think she doesn't have depth, but they'll happily bang Josy at the start, when Josy doesn't have any depth. It's double standards again.

I also don't understand the distinction between when the plot develops and when we spend time with characters: seeing how they behave, how they react gives them depth anyway, it doesn't have to be explicit dialogue where they tell each other.

Depth of character is about so much more than seeing how they behave and how they react. One of the best ways to develop depth is to get into the head of the character (which you get as close to as possible here in the Interlude, with Zoey). There's only so far you can go with fleshing out a character by having them interact with the POV character. Most of what we get is developing the story, not developing the girls. The girls naturally get some development as part of that, but it's not the number one goal.

then whether or not you like the character in the end (I never said I don't like Zoey) doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the depth she has

Agreed, and that's sort of what I'm saying as well - a lot of people say they don't like Zoey, and as their reasoning, they say it's because she lacks depth. In my opinion, that's just an excuse that's easy for them to land on.

 

[Macky009]

Jill looks good but Josy is beyond stunning to me

You must have it backwards Josy looks good but Jill is beyond stunning

 

[Darkwen]

You must have it backwards Josy looks good but Jill is beyond stunning

Josy is a Goddess hardy notice Jill was even there but maybe your into manly looking "girls"

 

[felicemastronzo]

Just making a comparison. People are saying they don't like Zoey because they think she doesn't have depth, but they'll happily bang Josy at the start, when Josy doesn't have any depth. It's double standards again.

Depth of character is about so much more than seeing how they behave and how they react. One of the best ways to develop depth is to get into the head of the character (which you get as close to as possible here in the Interlude, with Zoey). There's only so far you can go with fleshing out a character by having them interact with the POV character. Most of what we get is developing the story, not developing the girls. The girls naturally get some development as part of that, but it's not the number one goal.

Agreed, and that's sort of what I'm saying as well - a lot of people say they don't like Zoey, and as their reasoning, they say it's because she lacks depth. In my opinion, that's just an excuse that's easy for them to land on.

the Josy example continues to seem really forced to me: you're in the early chapters of a porn game, a character wants to have sex, and you're supposed to reject her for consistency because after halfway through the game you're not going to be interested in an ex coming back from the dead? what's that got to do with it? how are you then having sex with Josy equates to finding her in that extraordinarily interesting way.

you use the term double standard in a curious way, 2 different situations have 2 different outcomes, because they are 2 different situations.

about the importance of listening to reasoning may be true, but it's not a rule, actions normally speak much more than facts, why a character would want to do something matters, but then whether or not he does it matters twice as much. and Zoey, since that's ultimately what you care about, once she came back did very little (and I'm not referring to sex). very few times we heard Sage's thoughts but I doubt you can call her a character with little depth.

 

[Darkwen]

Just making a comparison. People are saying they don't like Zoey because they think she doesn't have depth, but they'll happily bang Josy at the start, when Josy doesn't have any depth. It's double standards again.

Depth of character is about so much more than seeing how they behave and how they react. One of the best ways to develop depth is to get into the head of the character (which you get as close to as possible here in the Interlude, with Zoey). There's only so far you can go with fleshing out a character by having them interact with the POV character. Most of what we get is developing the story, not developing the girls. The girls naturally get some development as part of that, but it's not the number one goal.

Agreed, and that's sort of what I'm saying as well - a lot of people say they don't like Zoey, and as their reasoning, they say it's because she lacks depth. In my opinion, that's just an excuse that's easy for them to land on.

I'm bias but Josy got lots of depth to me

 

[KАRАMBA]

I'm bias but Josy got lots of depth to me

If the MC's dick penetrates completely, then the depth is more than enough.

 

[ffive]

I'm bias but Josy got lots of depth to me

I dunno, she's pretty short so her vagina probably isn't all that long.

 

[Darkwen]

I dunno, she's pretty short so her vagina probably isn't all that long.

MC got enough room inside Queen Josy's sweet little love flower

 

[funkymonkeyjedi]

If the MC's dick penetrates completely, then the depth is more than enough.

MC got enough room inside Queen Josy's sweet little love flower

C'mon be real, if the MC fully enters Josy's ass, he could see his own dick head if she opens her mouth, and risks giving himself a facial when he cums.

 

[TonyMurray]

the Josy example continues to seem really forced to me

It's fine for us not to be on the same page, and I'm not trying to force you to agree with my view, but I'm obviously having an off day in writing out my thoughts as you seem to take something very different from what I'm intending each time

All I'm trying to say is people say they don't like Zoey because they say she doesn't have depth, but they like Josy at the start of the game, when she also doesn't have depth. It's a one to one comparison, forget the sex part, that was just for me to say "this is the point of comparison, where it shows people like Josy." It's double standards because these people are not holding Josy up to the same standard as they are holding Zoey.

 

[Darkwen]

C'mon be real, if the MC fully enters Josy's ass, he could see his own dick head if she opens her mouth, and risks giving himself a facial when he cums.

Josy going to be a anal Queen

 

[funkymonkeyjedi]

Josy going to be a anal Queen

Nah, Tommy holds that title. But at least it stays in the family.

 

[Darkwen]

Nah, Tommy holds that title. But at least it stays in the family.

I know it 2024 but Tommy isn't a Queen

 

[funkymonkeyjedi]

I know it 2024 but Tommy isn't a Queen

I suppose that depends on your perspective.
But yeh, for how Tommy behaves,
it sure as fuck is exactly like a little entitled self-serving cunt queen.
But that's just my perspective.

 

[BrNexon]

C'mon be real, if the MC fully enters Josy's ass, he could see his own dick head if she opens her mouth, and risks giving himself a facial when he cums.

Are you making "Anatomy of Miss.Josephine Taylor"?

 

[Darkwen]

I suppose that depends on your perspective.
But yeh, for how Tommy behaves,
it sure as fuck is exactly like a little entitled self-serving cunt queen.
But that's just my perspective.

Tommy more like a little kid in need of a spanking(not the fun kind) to me

 

[Darkwen]

Are you making "Anatomy of Miss.Josephine Taylor"?

It's Josy

 

[funkymonkeyjedi]

Tommy more like a little kid in need of a spanking(not the fun kind) to me

I'd sooner lock him up in a room for a month, where the only music to listen to is Celine Dion and Justin Bieber. I'd imagine he'd emerge from that room transformed into another "Danny" (Jamie's ugly-ass GF).

 

[soprano31]

It's Josee

 

[Darkwen]

I'd sooner lock him up in a room for a month, where the only music to listen to is Celine Dion and Justin Bieber. I'd imagine he'd emerge from that room transformed into another "Danny" (Jamie's ugly-ass GF).

Tommy, Leon and Jamie the throuple we never knew we always wanted