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Just remembered this convo from Josy's date in Episode 2, when she's talking about how her dad left her mom for someone who made him happy, even if it was by cheating.

Rather prophetic...
yeah i always remembered how supportive of her cheating dad she was and i plan to use the same logic against her if she tries to complain when i dump her for maya when the trio finally implodes and fall apart
 

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players can agree or disagree with MC's decisions but MC definitely still care for Zoey, its only a matter of whether its platonic friendship or if something more still linger.
even if you are already locked in another LI's path, you cant stop MC from going to visit Zoey and he will hold his ground when it comes to having zoey in his life in one way or another. And its not like zoey does not try at all, not only does she try but she does a lot in the background to try and spend more time with MC. first of all, she plans to start college so that she can be on same campus with him. ofc there are other reasons for this, but having more chances to hang out with MC is definitely one of them.

She spends time with MC in his room and he even trusts her by default to read moms diary. and she keeps visiting the parties and will reject Jacob even if MC gives them his blessing.

i am not going to argue about whether MC&ZOEY is good or bad, but can we at least not pretend that its non-existent relationship and/or forced
Mc cares about Zoey, but as a friend (and he may not even be still that fond depending on the choices we as players make)

there isn't a single moment, in the present time of the game, before and after her return, in which MC seems to have any real regrets towards her, this regardless of what relationships he has. and it can't be otherwise because since her return it's always and only MC who talks about what he felt and how much he suffered. it doesn't matter how much time they spend together, but what they do in this time together.

the first time, in the scene on the bench, Zoey is justified in being fearful, after all she doesn't know what MC thinks of her (and in fact we can also choose to still be angry with her). where after MC humiliates himself by telling her how much he suffered by crying in the rain, she simply tells him that she missed him. after that what steps does she do?

they see each other once in MC's room and the big idea is to read his mother's diary...I imagine the real situation of a girl visiting a friend in his room alone and they decide to spend their time like that... :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: no steps forward. ok it will be a sign of trust, but still of MC towards Zoey, she very passive

then there's the barbecue where Zoey still wants MC to vent all his pain and afterwards she in no way tries to explain what she was feeling, had she at least talked about the past... ok, MC interrupts her, but she has nothing to say, or at least no urgency

this part then is overly homogenized, in that it makes little sense that Zoey's reaction is exactly the same whether MC is engaged and indifferent to Jacob's approach, or single and still jealous of her. but this is there in the game

she runs away, then denies herself on the phone, and she would also deny herself when MC shows up at her house. this is still a nonsensical scene, but the facts are that MC goes there because he regrets stopping her in talking at the barecue as he feared Zoey would reveal that at the time she did not reciprocate his feelings in any way, without any allusion to the current situation (I don't think when MC explains to Sage or Jill what he will do he is lying) and unbelievable, but that is exactly what Zoey does ... no problem between them, but no reciprocation.

then Zoey wisely decides to take advice from the person who gave her the worst advice of her life that put her in this unhappy situation and decides to swoop into MC's life like a wrecking ball.

there is no buildup, the scene was just postponed 3 chapters. very little was given to MC and the player to change their minds. then certainly those who adored Zoey at the interlude will still adore her, and those who want to see every scene in the game will screw up any relationship to see what happens (but on another save)

neither DPC nor Zoey even try.
 
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:rolleyes: I mean… there is a lot of flashing of dicks. Mostly not accidental, but, at times as a surprise to those who see it, including the reader. Sometimes (rarely) even in lingerie or swimsuits. And there are some competition and hazing moments where the guys are nude and the girls (at least partially) clothed. It’s not a major focus, but… If that’s your thing, just give the first season a try. If not, avoid, I guess.
 
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they see each other once in MC's room and the big idea is to read his mother's diary...I imagine the real situation of a girl visiting a friend in his room alone and they decide to spend their time like that... :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: no steps forward. ok it will be a sign of trust, but still of MC towards Zoey, she very passive
If I'm not mistaken he received Lynette's diary weeks before Halloween and we're currently close tho christmas but he still hasn't finished reading it yet. This mofo must read 3-4 pages a day max. After all it would be a shame if he learned something big related to his family too soon :unsure: We absolutely need another Sage & Jade reveals.
 
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the first time, in the scene on the bench, Zoey is justified in being fearful, after all she doesn't know what MC thinks of her (and in fact we can also choose to still be angry with her). where after MC humiliates himself by telling her how much he suffered by crying in the rain, she simply tells him that she missed him.
Both of them are crying and hugging each other in that scene. It goes way beyond "simply telling him she missed him" as if she doesn't really care, and it's a misrepresentation (whether purposeful or not) to present it in such limited manner.

they see each other once in MC's room and the big idea is to read his mother's diary...I imagine the real situation of a girl visiting a friend in his room alone and they decide to spend their time like that... :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: no steps forward. ok it will be a sign of trust, but still of MC towards Zoey, she very passive
Right, Zoey is visiting MC in his room but that's her beign passive and MC being active. Come on, this is really skewing the picture so much it's nearly upside down, and not even funny.

I think it's worth to keep in mind that Zoey is living in MC's old town. Yet, for multiple episodes we are seeing her show up around MC, not the other way around. She is making the effort to travel and to be near him, repeatedly. Meantime, Fuckface only visits her when it coincides with his visit to see his father. Even though he's had no difficulty earlier in the game to run off on weekend to see Josy.
 
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Reading comprehension is a wonderful skill. Being able to diagram a simple sentance to to logically determine A. Who is speaking. B. Who they are speaking about. C. What they are speaking about D. The question being answered. So no. You failed at a basic level of reading comprehension. Am I Sage? Do I look like this?
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No, I do not.

I do not scream the name, gasp the name, or cry in the bathroom. You were presented with three possibilties and picked the one in the middle, like Rocky when he is punch drunk. All the time, paying no attention to the question that was asked, which was what I was referring to. Back to school you go. Not only was your jape unfunny, it is illogical.

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Foreshadowing Josy and MC :love::love::love::love:
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She takes my breath away what perfect sexy and naughty smirk :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love::love::love::love::love::love::love:
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The normal word to Alady to :love: ratio is off the charts :eek:
yeah i always remembered how supportive of her cheating dad she was and i plan to use the same logic against her if she tries to complain when i dump her for maya when the trio finally implodes and fall apart
There's a good idea :WeSmart:
 

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Mc cares about Zoey, but as a friend (and he may not even be still that fond depending on the choices we as players make)

there isn't a single moment, in the present time of the game, before and after her return, in which MC seems to have any real regrets towards her, this regardless of what relationships he has. and it can't be otherwise because since her return it's always and only MC who talks about what he felt and how much he suffered. it doesn't matter how much time they spend together, but what they do in this time together.

the first time, in the scene on the bench, Zoey is justified in being fearful, after all she doesn't know what MC thinks of her (and in fact we can also choose to still be angry with her). where after MC humiliates himself by telling her how much he suffered by crying in the rain, she simply tells him that she missed him. after that what steps does she do?

they see each other once in MC's room and the big idea is to read his mother's diary...I imagine the real situation of a girl visiting a friend in his room alone and they decide to spend their time like that... :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: no steps forward. ok it will be a sign of trust, but still of MC towards Zoey, she very passive

then there's the barbecue where Zoey still wants MC to vent all his pain and afterwards she in no way tries to explain what she was feeling, had she at least talked about the past... ok, MC interrupts her, but she has nothing to say, or at least no urgency

this part then is overly homogenized, in that it makes little sense that Zoey's reaction is exactly the same whether MC is engaged and indifferent to Jacob's approach, or single and still jealous of her. but this is there in the game

she runs away, then denies herself on the phone, and she would also deny herself when MC shows up at her house. this is still a nonsensical scene, but the facts are that MC goes there because he regrets stopping her in talking at the barecue as he feared Zoey would reveal that at the time she did not reciprocate his feelings in any way, without any allusion to the current situation (I don't think when MC explains to Sage or Jill what he will do he is lying) and unbelievable, but that is exactly what Zoey does ... no problem between them, but no reciprocation.

then Zoey wisely decides to take advice from the person who gave her the worst advice of her life that put her in this unhappy situation and decides to swoop into MC's life like a wrecking ball.

there is no buildup, the scene was just postponed 3 chapters. very little was given to MC and the player to change their minds. then certainly those who adored Zoey at the interlude will still adore her, and those who want to see every scene in the game will screw up any relationship to see what happens (but on another save)

neither DPC nor Zoey even try.
i am sorry you feel that way. obviously not every character can be everyones cup of tea and based on preference different people will love and hate different characters. it is kinda disheartening though that you try so hard to twist every scene and find a negative in it instead of trying to understand what dpc tries to do with it.

just to be clear, i am in no way delusional when it comes to my own biases. i almost definitely like zoey and hope for mc and zoey to have a bright future because i am projecting, so obviously i have no intention to come here and try to twist every scene with zoey to be profound and magical or whatever. it is what it is and for me its enough to want to see them together, for most though i think she comes too late in the game and with too much baggage for them to give her a fair chance. Its also bold choice from DPC to bring a girl who broke MC's heart into the picture after giving player so many choices of fresh start with no painfull baggage. As i said, i understand lot of points of what people have against zoey, but we can agree that zoey's path is just as matter of taste as bellas or jills...
There are people who think jill's path is boring and annoying (especially after certain ultimatum and visit to a clinic), and while i can see where they come from, its just wrong to boil down her character to just these few "bad" points. i think zoey deserves same treatment. She is not just "ex" (who is technically not really an ex, they never dated they were in a situationship at best) and she have big role in the game, as big as any other "other" LI that was there from the start.
I'd even argue bigger role that other girls because you can easily play the game (mostly as chick but point still stands) and skip content with girls to their entirety, which is not true for zoey :)

you dont have to love her, you dont even have to like zoey. you are free to hate her, but dont say she does not try just because she needed time to clear out the missunderstandings, get on the same page as mc and figure out how she feels. Cause remember, MC also share some of the blame for what happened in the past and he also realizes that, he knows that things could have played out differently if he acted upon his feelings. By not doing so he gave zoey wrong idea so its not fair to put all the blame on zoey for thinking there is nothing there but fun and casual sex. And then when she finally figured out what matters to her she did not know how to approach it because she has no skills in that matter. its just really unfair to say she is not trying or that DPC is not trying when it comes to her character because for some of us zoey has lot of character and very good story arc
 
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Both of them are crying and hugging each other in that scene. It goes way beyond "simply telling him she missed him" as if she doesn't really care, and it's a misrepresentation (whether purposeful or not) to present it in such limited manner.
Put what MC tells Zoey on one side and what Zoey tells MC on the other side.

Who gets more exposure?

never said Zoey doesn't care (but that she doesn't expose herself, and that on that first occasion in my opinion she is also justified)

Right, Zoey is visiting MC in his room but that's her beign passive and MC being active. Come on, this is really skewing the picture so much it's nearly upside down, and not even funny.
it is Zoey who has something to say to MC, does she do it? does she mention something? no, she just stands there and lets MC tell her about his eventual girlfriend and, indirectly, about her mother

Zoey's effort is exhausted in the presence, to me it seems quite passive as a behavior. it is Mc who eventually tells herabout who she is dating and who decides to share her mother's diary with her. MC fills the silence of that visit.
 

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Mc cares about Zoey, but as a friend (and he may not even be still that fond depending on the choices we as players make)

there isn't a single moment, in the present time of the game, before and after her return, in which MC seems to have any real regrets towards her, this regardless of what relationships he has. and it can't be otherwise because since her return it's always and only MC who talks about what he felt and how much he suffered. it doesn't matter how much time they spend together, but what they do in this time together.

the first time, in the scene on the bench, Zoey is justified in being fearful, after all she doesn't know what MC thinks of her (and in fact we can also choose to still be angry with her). where after MC humiliates himself by telling her how much he suffered by crying in the rain, she simply tells him that she missed him. after that what steps does she do?

they see each other once in MC's room and the big idea is to read his mother's diary...I imagine the real situation of a girl visiting a friend in his room alone and they decide to spend their time like that... :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: no steps forward. ok it will be a sign of trust, but still of MC towards Zoey, she very passive

then there's the barbecue where Zoey still wants MC to vent all his pain and afterwards she in no way tries to explain what she was feeling, had she at least talked about the past... ok, MC interrupts her, but she has nothing to say, or at least no urgency

this part then is overly homogenized, in that it makes little sense that Zoey's reaction is exactly the same whether MC is engaged and indifferent to Jacob's approach, or single and still jealous of her. but this is there in the game

she runs away, then denies herself on the phone, and she would also deny herself when MC shows up at her house. this is still a nonsensical scene, but the facts are that MC goes there because he regrets stopping her in talking at the barecue as he feared Zoey would reveal that at the time she did not reciprocate his feelings in any way, without any allusion to the current situation (I don't think when MC explains to Sage or Jill what he will do he is lying) and unbelievable, but that is exactly what Zoey does ... no problem between them, but no reciprocation.

then Zoey wisely decides to take advice from the person who gave her the worst advice of her life that put her in this unhappy situation and decides to swoop into MC's life like a wrecking ball.

there is no buildup, the scene was just postponed 3 chapters. very little was given to MC and the player to change their minds. then certainly those who adored Zoey at the interlude will still adore her, and those who want to see every scene in the game will screw up any relationship to see what happens (but on another save)

neither DPC nor Zoey even try.
I don't know if it's because of my playthrough, but I haven't read yet for Zoey to apologize for what she did to the MC.
 

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If I'm not mistaken he received Lynette's diary weeks before Halloween and we're currently close tho christmas but he still hasn't finished reading it yet. This mofo must read 3-4 pages a day max. After all it would be a shame if he learned something big related to his family too soon :unsure: We absolutely need another Sage & Jade reveals.
To be fair, he tells Zoey that he's reading it only few pages at the time on purpose, so it feels for him like she's still actively updating her diary rather than well, be dead. Which is a bit silly but also very snowflake thing to do, so fits Fuckface's overall profile.
 

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Put what MC tells Zoey on one side and what Zoey tells MC on the other side.

Who gets more exposure?
It doesn't really matter who gets more exposure. The emotional impact is evidently the same for both of them. It's not some sort of Reveal Olympics where we grade who gets to yap the most and there's some sort of winner and loser.

Zoey's effort is exhausted in the presence, to me it seems quite passive as a behavior.
I think we'll just have to disagree here then. To me, making physical effort to visit the other person, especially when it takes you a few hours, goes well beyond being passive. A lot of people, MC included, can't do even that much.
 
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i am sorry you feel that way. obviously not every character can be everyones cup of tea and based on preference different people will love and hate different characters. it is kinda disheartening though that you try so hard to twist every scene and find a negative in it instead of trying to understand what dpc tries to do with it.

just to be clear, i am in no way delusional when it comes to my own biases. i almost definitely like zoey and hope for mc and zoey to have a bright future because i am projecting, so obviously i have no intention to come here and try to twist every scene with zoey to be profound and magical or whatever. it is what it is and for me its enough to want to see them together, for most though i think she comes too late in the game and with too much baggage for them to give her a fair chance. Its also bold choice from DPC to bring a girl who broke MC's heart into the picture after giving player so many choices of fresh start with no painfull baggage. As i said, i understand lot of points of what people have against zoey, but we can agree that zoey's path is just as matter of taste as bellas or jills...
There are people who think jill's path is boring and annoying (especially after certain ultimatum and visit to a clinic), and while i can see where they come from, its just wrong to boil down her character to just these few "bad" points. i think zoey deserves same treatment. She is not just "ex" (who is technically not really an ex, they never dated they were in a situationship at best) and she have big role in the game, as big as any other "other" LI that was there from the start.
I'd even argue bigger role that other girls because you can easily play the game (mostly as chick but point still stands) and skip content with girls to their entirety, which is not true for zoey :)
but i'm fine, i'm just disappointed by how zoey was integrated into the story. if zoey had gone back to being mc's best friend before declaring herself it would have been more complicated to reject her, it would have been a real temptation. when she arrived she could have really given something more to badik, unfortunately for me it didn't go that way, it just postponed what everyone knew would happen, with unmemorable scenes in between. that's called wasted time
 
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I don't know if it's because of my playthrough, but I haven't read yet for Zoey to apologize for what she did to the MC.
Maybe if MC is mad at Zoey there is a apologize, but don't think there is she don't have a reason to and it not needed, MC tells her she was his first love then she later admits her love to him. If Zoey was going to apologize it should be to the girls since she only there to be a relationship problem or LI on others
 
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