VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[exazubi]

Or maybe this game is just a slice of life game with no real major overarcing plot, but only multiple smaller storylines.

That's actually how it seems to me so far.

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

How has this already been disproven? We don't know yet what the consequences will be if we choose Zoey over the current girlfriend(s).

Because destroying path is the player choice. Make stupid decisions, play stupid games, push the wrong buttons. There is no forced mechanic return to Zoey. There aren't even any traps on the path that DPC likes to set up - for example, Jade is a time bomb for Sage's path, which the player doesn't know about. With Zoey everything is obvious, if you want to come back, choose.

 

[Chillout1984]

Because destroying path is the player choice. Make stupid decisions, play stupid games, push the wrong buttons. There is no forced mechanic return to Zoey. There aren't even any traps on the path that DPC likes to set up - for example, Jade is a time bomb for Sage's path, which the player doesn't know about. With Zoey everything is obvious, if you want to come back, choose.

Yeah, but that would still mean that Zoey is the one who instigates the final choice, not MC. Especially the quote of her DIK version makes her worthy of her "title" of The Destroyer.

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

What argument?

You (or can) choose Zoey over Others and MGs.

You just answered your question perfectly, without the need to write further. You, the player, do this by your choice. End of story. Your further subjective opinion on how you evaluate their past relationships and their influence, how “deep” it is, has no bearing on the issue, it is demagogy.

If Zoey makes you question your romance choices so far in BAD?

I love playing this game, having fun, seeing the consequences of my decisions and causing chaos. I ruined the M/J path by going back to Zoey just to cuck shrimp for fun again. (again, I'm the path destroyer, not her)

You clearly like hurting yourself after all these years.

You have issues. Hurting myself by playing the game with imaginary characters? By exploring it?
Only thing I can answer on this:

Yeah, but that would still mean that Zoey is the one who instigates the final choice, not MC. Especially the quote of her DIK version makes her worthy of her "title" of The Destroyer.

Initiate or not, she has no control here. If it were forced based on the past dynamics of MC/Zoey during Episodes 9-11, say if Zoey's high score led to an auto-selection to return to her - then yes. But we don't have that.

 

[BTWZ1]

Because destroying path is the player choice. Make stupid decisions, play stupid games, push the wrong buttons. There is no forced mechanic return to Zoey. There aren't even any traps on the path that DPC likes to set up - for example, Jade is a time bomb for Sage's path, which the player doesn't know about. With Zoey everything is obvious, if you want to come back, choose.

Dude, relax. I've noticed for a long time that this toxic guy is walking around different discussion threads and everywhere he says how bad this "insert any name" game is. There's no point in arguing with him.

 

[Moni23]

I'm sure the MG's will all forgive the MC and their "slice of life/main plot" stories will go along just fine without any variation or discrepancies as a result of shattering their hearts...

As far as I know, Josy still hasn't forgiven MC for leaving her at the crossroads. How will she react if he leaves her and Maya in episode 12? No, they won't forgive him. They will hate him until the end of the game. Returning to Zoey will ruin the relationship with the entire main five (MC of the others will be able to fix this over time).
The only one I'm not sure about is Derek. Will he stop being friends with MC if MC leaves Maya? Any good brother would do that, but I'm not sure DPC would implement this scenario.

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

Dude, relax. I've noticed for a long time that this toxic guy is walking around different discussion threads and everywhere he says how bad this "insert any name" game is. There's no point in arguing with him.

Haha, I know. I just like to throw it at the fan.

 

[HOBGTG]

When I, as a player, have a choice of how I want Zoey to be, it makes it easier my playthroughs. I really don't care if her Dik version is a " destroyer ".

For me, she is not a destroyer but an old friend. That's it. We have been given a choice of freedom to shape her. She is not coming out strong unless player lets her to. If you want drama, have it your way. If you want to have a good time with your LIs, make it easy for yourselves. In the end, we get to decide.

 

[Chillout1984]

Initiate or not, she has no control here. If it were forced based on the past dynamics of MC/Zoey during Episodes 9-11, say if Zoey's high score led to an auto-selection to return to her - then yes. But we don't have that.

If a girl (tries to) conquer a man of which she knows he is in a relationship, she is called a homewrecker. That is why "we"call Zoey "The Destroyer", even though in the end it's Tremolo's decision.

As far as I know, Josy still hasn't forgiven MC for leaving her at the crossroads. How will she react if he leaves her and Maya in episode 12? No, they won't forgive him. They will hate him until the end of the game. Returning to Zoey will ruin the relationship with the entire main five (MC of the others will be able to fix this over time).
The only one I'm not sure about is Derek. Will he stop being friends with MC if MC leaves Maya? Any good brother would do that, but I'm not sure DPC would implement this scenario.

True, she seems extremely close to forgiving MC during the HOT/DIK event in episode 11, but Josy isn't completely there yet. This choice will at best reset that progress and at worst make it much much worse.

 

[MiltonPowers]

When I, as a player, have a choice of how I want Zoey to be, it makes it easier my playthroughs. I really don't care if her Dik version is a " destroyer ".

For me, she is not a destroyer but an old friend. That's it. We have been given a choice of freedom to shape her. She is not coming out strong unless player lets her to. If you want drama, have it your way. If you want to have a good time with your LIs, make it easy for yourselves. In the end, we get to decide.

 

[grarg]

Not "we", you. This is your personal perception of her personality.

I'm not talking about her personality at all.
She may be an incredibly good person, as you describe, but it all makes no sense when she seems superfluous in this story where we already have several LIs teachers with their roles in the story. She has no role in the game's story. It's more of an appeal to fetishes - a very curvy blonde woman + pregnancy kink as suggested above.

One thing, I'll say about the date, I don't like the part with the card game, it feels like an interrogation. I prefer casual talk with people.

Personality? She's obviously more mature and healthier than the other teachers, including Bella, by being on a dating site, and actively "breaking up" with the MC for professional reasons. (Compare: Cathy.)

What is the game's "story", exactly? What makes no sense? It seems DPC just does random things every episode, including an Interlude. It's MC slice of life in a frat, with dangling threads that are (probably if not already) going to be forgotten. All the girls make no sense, including the MG's. Look at Maya: is her story done? Seems so; I have no idea. And Josy? Buh? Bella's just there to help out the MC. Sage is...graduating? Jill is going to help people with drug issues? How does this all connect?

And Zoey's -- the most superflous of all -- was already done. But now there's going to be more.

Nora is similar to Sage in:
-Sage: the MC teaches his hobbies (fighting & music.)
-Nora: the MC shares their workout routine (similar to Bella), and it appears Nora is teaching the MC's favorite subject at school (assuming he's going to study chem/science in the future. But this story is, to my understanding, only 1st year.)

Does Bella have a role in the game's "story"? Sure, she pops up here and there. But so? She's just the broken, brunette Nora. Insert fetish choice.

DPC said that people are free to choose whatever romance they like, and the story and MGs will keep on going. Maybe Nora's will go nowhere, as certainly will several Other's. But all the MGs have their own thing going, and the MC (and us) are along for that non-romance ride. So all romance choices are superfluous.

 

[grarg]

You just answered your question perfectly, without the need to write further. You, the player, do this by your choice. End of story. Your further subjective opinion on how you evaluate their past relationships and their influence, how “deep” it is, has no bearing on the issue, it is demagogy.

Someone's deflecting, and it ain't me.

Continue to not evaluate the story's content at your leisure. I certainly won't be wasting my time with you anymore.

I love playing this game, having fun, seeing the consequences of my decisions and causing chaos. I ruined the M/J path by going back to Zoey just to cuck shrimp for fun again. (again, I'm the path destroyer, not her)

I see you like wasting time and hurting "people."

You have issues. Hurting myself by playing the game with imaginary characters? By exploring it?
Only thing I can answer on this:
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Welcome to my ignore list Mr. Passive-Aggressive.

Initiate or not, she has no control here. If it were forced based on the past dynamics of MC/Zoey during Episodes 9-11, say if Zoey's high score led to an auto-selection to return to her - then yes. But we don't have that.

Yes, we could have NEVER have chosen any romance partners or options before. But the game sets up in nearly every other scene the option for intimacy or gaining + points with a character. It's been doing this for years, as design, as how Renpy games are setup.

Sure, blame the player.

Zoey comes by and destroys all that, also by design.

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

Personality? She's obviously more mature and healthier than the other teachers, including Bella, by being on a dating site, and actively "breaking up" with the MC for professional reasons. (Compare: Cathy.)

What is the game's "story", exactly? What makes no sense? It seems DPC just does random things every episode, including an Interlude. It's MC slice of life in a frat, with dangling threads that are (probably if not already) going to be forgotten. All the girls make no sense, including the MG's. Look at Maya: is her story done? Seems so; I have no idea. And Josy? Buh? Bella's just there to help out the MC. Sage is...graduating? Jill is going to help people with drug issues? How does this all connect?

And Zoey's -- the most superflous of all -- was already done. But now there's going to be more.

Nora is similar to Sage in:
-Sage: the MC teaches his hobbies (fighting & music.)
-Nora: the MC shares their workout routine (similar to Bella), and it appears Nora is teaching the MC's favorite subject at school (assuming he's going to study chem/science in the future. But this story is, to my understanding, only 1st year.)

Does Bella have a role in the game's "story"? Sure, she pops up here and there. But so? She's just the broken, brunette Nora. Insert fetish choice.

DPC said that people are free to choose whatever romance they like, and the story and MGs will keep on going. Maybe Nora's will go nowhere, as certainly will several Other's. But all the MGs have their own thing going, and the MC (and us) are along for that non-romance ride. So all romance choices are superfluous.

A lot of simping energy without objectivity here.
Bella is a classic teacher/student path with secrets, guilt, age gap issues in relationships.
Zoey is the conflict of an ex-girlfriend who came back into your life and uncertainty in feelings.
Sage is a freshmen dream to date a temperamental leader girl. This is a journey of overcoming anger, gaining self-control and finding harmony in relationships.
Jill is the role of a good girl, a princess from the tower who learns about the world by dating MC.
M/J is a path about polyamorous relationships and their problems.
Quinn is playing with fire with a bad girl and a boy's dream "I can fix her"

Every path has a role. Nora doesn't have one.

Someone's deflecting, and it ain't me.

Continue to not evaluate the story's content at your leisure. I certainly won't be wasting my time with you anymore.


I see you like wasting time and hurting "people."


Welcome to my ignore list Mr. Passive-Aggressive.

1. Came up with a non-existent problem.
2. Explained to him that he was wrong
3. Got offended

Yes, we could have NEVER have chosen any romance partners or options before. But the game sets up in nearly every other scene the option for intimacy or gaining + points with a character. It's been doing this for years, as design, as how Renpy games are setup.

Sure, blame the player.

Zoey comes by and destroys all that, also by design.

Yes, the player is to blame, and those who played the previous game from DPC know that he likes to play the player. So yes, I blame the player. Don't choose the fucked up desicions if you are get angry because of this

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[Vill3m]

what is the actual story of the game itself?

Besides being another classical porn game, it's a slice-of-life story talking about all kinds of families and how they intersect with each other: broken and dysfunctional families, biological and adopted families, found families etc. The MC, main girls, many side chicks and other characters have their own stories of their families. Then there's fraternities, sororities and new friend groups that act as found families. All of them have their own beautiful and ugly sides we get to learn or experience.

 

[PeaNut2627]

Zoey should have been introduced earlier, much like how we only have random screens of Tara and others in S1 & S2, but they only become Others much later, due to Milked Bloat.

Nora is the Superior Bella.

Zoey is the Destroyer, unfortunately, because apparently romance paths mean nothing to DPC when ex-girlfriends figure out what they want, and "BAD" is to be taken literally and whimsically to all other girls.

I'm sure the MG's will all forgive the MC and their "slice of life/main plot" stories will go along just fine without any variation or discrepancies as a result of shattering their hearts...

I'd have loved Zoey to be introduced earlier but we have her now.

This thing about her being a destroyer is silly, it's completely up to the player if they want to be friendly with her and move onto her path at the end of ep11. Non of it is forced so I don't get your point. You can make her a 'destroyer' but that's your own choice, still more interesting then Nora XD.

 

[Chillout1984]

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Besides being another classical porn game, it's a slice-of-life story talking about all kinds of families and how they intersect with each other: broken and dysfunctional families, biological and adopted families, found families etc. The MC, main girls, many side chicks and other characters have their own stories of their families. Then there's fraternities, sororities and new friend groups that act as found families. All of them have their own beautiful and ugly sides we get to learn or experience.

True, especially the found families part. Most of the scenes where the DIKs work together as well as the scene at Bella's house if you succeed in stealing the papers are good examples of this.

 

[Derek in a Bush]

True, especially the found families part. Most of the scenes where the DIKs work together as well as the scene at Bella's house if you succeed in stealing the papers are good examples of this.

I hate every minigame except the ones where the rest of the DIKs are involved

 

[Chillout1984]

I hate every minigame except the ones where the rest of the DIKs are involved

Those are the ones I hate the most except for English tests... Mansion repair and party planner...

 

[grarg]

I'd have loved Zoey to be introduced earlier but we have her now.

This thing about her being a destroyer is silly, it's completely up to the player if they want to be friendly with her and move onto her path at the end of ep11. Non of it is forced so I don't get your point. You can make her a 'destroyer' but that's your own choice, still more interesting then Nora XD.

She literally destroys entire relationships. Use whatever verb you like.

If all I'm going to hear is "it's your choice" arguments, I'll just stop reading this nonsense.

What should have happened:
1. Introduced much earlier.
2. If not, then on a non-Others Crossroads choice, she shouldn't have be allowed to break up an existing relationship. Meaning, if you chose someone specifically at Crossroads, you can't choose Zoey.

Why is 2 important? Because DPC specifically forced a choice on the player in Crossroads on what to do with relationships, including Others. You can blow this all away by simply being nice to her, and accepting her again.

Then again, this is called "Being a DIK". I thought that means "being in the DIK frat"; not literally a dick or an idiot who lies to women he's apparently serious about.

 

[Moni23]

. If not, then on a non-Others Crossroads choice, she shouldn't have be allowed to break up an existing relationship. Meaning, if you chose someone specifically at Crossroads, you can't choose Zoey.

It seems like you want the decision in episode 8 to be final (unless the player chooses "others"), and the game becomes a linear narrative with a path to a certain ending. I don't think that would be interesting. Not giving the player the option to be a jerk diminishes the value of "correct" playthroughs.