VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[hechne]

To me it was clear - translation mistakes taken apart - that what xsavius meant was something like:

Buddy is a piece of shit, but Quinn knew it and exposing Riona in trying to scam Buddy was an hazard she deliberately exposed Riona to.

Personally, I agree with this.
If I know a person is dangerous I don't expose my friends to his revenge.

And it's quite obvious that DPC also meant it that way, since he wrote the end of Episode 11 as Quinn owning her guilts and trying to take a counter-revenge on Buddy.

Quinn never told buddy Riona was the reason she was short did she? She only told Tommy that Rio was smoking for free.

Quinn feels guilty due to pressuring Riona to continue and because she couldn't protect her from the consequences of trying to scam Buddy.

 

[Zirenaz]

Edit: I can't find anything about it in the script. But imo it's more likely than not that Rich approached Quinn instead of the other way around, seeing how she got KRJ and Lily as customers.

Actually Quinn approached Tybalt with a business proposition, and he send her to Rich. Happens at the party at the prep house

 

[ZenoMod]

It seemed like a surprise to Quinn that Riona was taken however. I don't think she would be that surprised if she did it deliberately.

Quinn never told buddy Riona was the reason she was short did she? She only told Tommy that Rio was smoking for free.

Quinn feels guilty due to pressuring Riona to continue and because she couldn't protect her from the consequences of trying to scam Buddy.

I don't mean that Quinn wanted Buddy to kidnap Riona, nor that she knew Buddy would have kidnapped her.

What I mean is that she should have known that she was exposing Riona to a terrible hazard by sending her to deal with a dangerous criminal to whom Quinn owed money. It's not rocket science.

As you (Chillout1984) said before: she calculated the risks, but she is bad at math.

 

[Darkwen]

" The rumors of my death have been greatly exaggerated "

it was temporarily because, of memes, I mean even Darkwen can handle a little bickering . . .

but I guss others not . .

Your right she not a lady she is Alady

 

[El_Magnifico]

To me it was clear - translation mistakes taken apart - that what xsavius meant was something like:

Buddy is a piece of shit, but Quinn knew it and exposing Riona in trying to scam Buddy was an hazard she deliberately exposed Riona to.

She didn't deliberately expose Riona. She didn't anticipate that Vinny would rat them out, Quinn herself explained after she got mugged, that since Riona had zero contact with Buddy and his crew and wasn't important or well known, there was zero chance that someone would come after her. In her mind, she was herself the potential target since she got mugged and Vinny later confronted her, that's why she asked the MC to be her "boddyguard".

She didn't anticipate that Vinny would come to B&R ( it's technically her, Lily and Tommy's fault in that regard ) and would go as far as coming for Riona. It has never trully been Buddy the issue but Vinny. Before Vinny came out, Riona wasn't really at risk. Buddy barely noticed anything with Quinn ( and didn't even notice that Vinny scammed him harder than Quinn ).

So sure, she was reckless and miscalculated badly but she didn't deliberately expose Riona to Buddy, she just underestimated how far Vinny would go.

To be fair, Vinny was just as reckless and short sighted since he didn't anticipate that Quinn could also rat him out to Buddy for overcharging his own prices, in retribution. Which led him to get beaten almost as badly as Riona.

 

[Chillout1984]

Actually Quinn approached Tybalt with a business proposition, and he send her to Rich. Happens at the party at the prep house

Ah yeah, now that you mention it I can recall it a bit and also found it in the script. Tybalt is to dumb however too know that she's talking about drugs.
Question still remains: They should've known the reputation of the HOTs and it also seems that it's quite unsual for the preps to hire them. Also afaik an alumni gathering usually either is an annual or bi-annual event, so thinking logically they should've hired the HOTs before for the same kind of event, but Tybalt is surprised by how the majority of them dressed or behave. That smells a lot like someone (probably Rich, seeing how he also asks for coke) hired them on purpose just to get in contact with Quinn in a way that wouldn't raise too many red flags.

I don't mean that Quinn wanted Buddy to kidnap Riona, nor that she knew Buddy would have kidnapped her.

What I mean is that she should have known that she was exposing Riona to a terrible hazard by sending her to deal with a dangerous criminal to whom Quinn owed money. It's not rocket science.

As you (Chillout1984) said before: she calculated the risks, but she is bad at math.

Quinn didn't know that Buddy knew about her higher prices though and last we heard them talking about the money, they got enough to not have any issues for it.

 

[Chillout1984]

She didn't deliberately expose Riona. She didn't anticipate that Vinny would rat them out, Quinn herself explained after she got mugged, that since Riona had zero contact with Buddy and his crew and wasn't important or well known, there was zero chance that someone would come after her. In her mind, she was herself the potential target since she got mugged and Vinny later confronted her, that's why she asked the MC to be her "boddyguard".

She didn't anticipate that Vinny would come to B&R ( it's technically her, Lily and Tommy's fault in that regard ) and would go as far as coming for Riona. It has never trully been Buddy the issue but Vinny. Before Vinny came out, Riona wasn't really at risk. Buddy barely noticed anything with Quinn ( and didn't even notice that Vinny scammed him harder than Quinn ).

So sure, she was reckless and miscalculated badly but she didn't deliberately expose Riona to Buddy, she just underestimated how far Vinny would go.

To be fair, Vinny was just as reckless and short sighted since he didn't anticipate that Quinn could also rat him out to Buddy for overcharging his own prices, in retribution. Which led him to get beaten almost as badly than Riona.

"Almost as badly" Imo he seems worse off than Riona. As far as we see, Riona got bruised up a lot and probably got part of her nose cut off (I doubt Buddy would remove the piercing he gave Quinn carefully), while it seems that Vinny has lost his eye and also has gotten a gigantic wound on his cheek.

 

[Better Cock Spock]

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This week, I've been posing animations for a lewd scene every day. I'm almost done with the lewd scene, and it ended up being a bit longer than originally intended, and that's always nice.

When animating, I've been working with both old and new DAZ versions. It was a minor inconvenience to swap between the two, but it worked well.

I plan to only render with DAZ alpha versions in the near future. As a render queue for a PC slave empties, I will upgrade the DAZ version for that system. Then I'll rinse and repeat this process until all PCs are updated.

I spent half a day playtesting episode 12. I got to see scenes I hadn't played before, and the episode felt pretty long already, even though it feels like there's a mountain left to climb. I thoroughly enjoyed playing what has been created thus far.

Thanks to playing the episode, I came up with the episode name, but that reveal will be saved for later in the development cycle.

Next week, I plan to finish the lewd scene I'm working on and continue posing static renders for written scenes. I need to pose around 600+ static renders to catch up to the written dialogue again.

The animation queue will be rather big after I complete this lewd scene, but I plan to create another lewd scene soon.

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In poll news, the cosmetic poll for Josy ended today.

It was a dominant victory for option #2, and it will be featured in episode 12. Thanks for voting!

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Dr PinkCake

He came up with the episode name, that's the only thing of note tbh.

 

[d2dacameron]

I spent half a day playtesting episode 12. I got to see scenes I hadn't played before, and the episode felt pretty long already, even though it feels like there's a mountain left to climb. I thoroughly enjoyed playing what has been created thus far.

This reads like the Obama meme, DPC giving himself a medal

 

[Chillout1984]

This reads like the Obama meme, DPC giving himself a medal

It also depends on what he considers "pretty long". To me for example, episode 10 was short but 11 pretty long.

 

[hechne]

"Almost as badly" Imo he seems worse off than Riona. As far as we see, Riona got bruised up a lot and probably got part of her nose cut off (I doubt Buddy would remove the piercing he gave Quinn carefully), while it seems that Vinny has lost his eye and also has gotten a gigantic wound on his cheek.

Part of her septum is probably fucked forever but nothing "major"

 

[Darkwen]

You must be registered to see the links

This week, I've been posing animations for a lewd scene every day. I'm almost done with the lewd scene, and it ended up being a bit longer than originally intended, and that's always nice.

When animating, I've been working with both old and new DAZ versions. It was a minor inconvenience to swap between the two, but it worked well.

I plan to only render with DAZ alpha versions in the near future. As a render queue for a PC slave empties, I will upgrade the DAZ version for that system. Then I'll rinse and repeat this process until all PCs are updated.

I spent half a day playtesting episode 12. I got to see scenes I hadn't played before, and the episode felt pretty long already, even though it feels like there's a mountain left to climb. I thoroughly enjoyed playing what has been created thus far.

Thanks to playing the episode, I came up with the episode name, but that reveal will be saved for later in the development cycle.

Next week, I plan to finish the lewd scene I'm working on and continue posing static renders for written scenes. I need to pose around 600+ static renders to catch up to the written dialogue again.

The animation queue will be rather big after I complete this lewd scene, but I plan to create another lewd scene soon.

Polls
In poll news, the cosmetic poll for Josy ended today.

It was a dominant victory for option #2, and it will be featured in episode 12. Thanks for voting!

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Have a nice weekend

Dr PinkCake

Oh DPC you ass teasing the ep name, The shirt good on two though think it would look better with jeans on 4, Josy got great jeans Alady Alady

 

[Chillout1984]

Part of her septum is probably fucked forever but nothing "major"

Yeah, it looks like Buddy pretty fucked up the septum and that the bandaid is there because they needed to do something with it at the hospital.

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Didn't notice that until now.

 

[ZenoMod]

She didn't deliberately expose Riona. She didn't anticipate that Vinny would rat them out, Quinn herself explained after she got mugged, that since Riona had zero contact with Buddy and his crew and wasn't important or well known, there was zero chance that someone would come after her. In her mind, she was herself the potential target since she got mugged and Vinny later confronted her, that's why she asked the MC to be her "boddyguard".

She didn't anticipate that Vinny would come to B&R ( it's technically her, Lily and Tommy's fault in that regard ) and would go as far as coming for Riona. It has never trully been Buddy the issue but Vinny. Before Vinny came out, Riona wasn't really at risk. Buddy barely noticed anything with Quinn ( and didn't even notice that Vinny scammed him harder than Quinn ).

So sure, she was reckless and miscalculated badly but she didn't deliberately expose Riona to Buddy, she just underestimated how far Vinny would go.

To be fair, Vinny was just as reckless and short sighted since he didn't anticipate that Quinn could also rat him out to Buddy for overcharging his own prices, in retribution. Which led him to get beaten almost as badly as Riona.

By the way, do we know who mugged Quinn and how did they know she was carrying drugs?

 

[Chillout1984]

By the way, do we know who mugged Quinn and how did they know she was carrying drugs?

I don't think so, but was probably be either a rival dealer and/or friend of Vinny who's trying to take Quinn out of the picture to take her territory for himself. I'm pretty sure whoever did it, that Vinny informed him.

 

[WolfmanBR]

When it comes to Quinn, I really like her character, not as a person, but as a driving force in the story. I find it quite interesting how DPC made her a sort of anti-hero with the possibility of redemption, considering her actions in the last episode.

That said, I think people who debate her behavior ignore the amount of psychological manipulation, gaslighting, and how these practices, applied to people with low self-esteem or poor judgment, can distort victims' perceptions. Every day, we see real stories of people who have been emotionally and psychologically manipulated for years, not always with deliberate violence, but with subtle subliminal suggestions and under the guise of phrases like "I'm only doing this because I love you" or "I do this because I want to protect you." This is a very common strategy among sexual predators, emotional fraudsters, compulsive liars, and others.

Despite this type of predatory behavior, disguised as a survival strategy, it's more common in male/female relationships (and the news, I repeat, is full of real stories about this). I've seen and witnessed many brother/sister, father/son, mother/son relationships involving gaslighting, emotional manipulation, and psychological abuse. Such strategies are always deliberate by one of the parties, and when they occur over years, they completely rob the victim of the common sense to recognize small warning signs, because they'll always be reminded of how much the predator "does it out of love" or to "protect" them.

In Quinn's case, worse than doing this for years with Riona (and she admits this verbatim when talking to the MC, saying how easy prey she was), was her arrogance in thinking she had everything under control - an idea that was questioned more than once by Riona herself! Quinn always thought she could play chess like her father, but when things started to get out of hand, she realized how much she had let herself be carried away by her arrogance. However, by the time she realized things were getting out of hand, it was already too late, and the threat of violence and death was already knocking on not only her door, but the doors of those around her.

Furthermore, let's call a spade a spade: she's committing crimes such as sex trafficking, drug trafficking, sexual exploitation, conspiracy (if her relationship with Stephen is proven), blackmail, and other crimes I can't even imagine. In real life, she'd already be arrested, or at least on any federal agency's radar, in less than a second.

In real life, anyone even remotely suspicious of anything I've described is, in my view, a shitty human being, regardless of their childhood experiences, and I'd keep as far away from them as possible. In the fantasy world of AVN, I think I can save her from herself, and she's the best fuck I ever had!

 

[iamcomming]

that is a nice status update, because Jojo's ass is nice

 

[KАRАMBA]

That said, I think people who debate her behavior ignore the amount of psychological manipulation, gaslighting, and how these practices, applied to people with low self-esteem or poor judgment, can distort victims' perceptions. Every day, we see real stories of people who have been emotionally and psychologically manipulated for years, not always with deliberate violence, but with subtle subliminal suggestions and under the guise of phrases like "I'm only doing this because I love you" or "I do this because I want to protect you." This is a very common strategy among sexual predators, emotional fraudsters, compulsive liars, and others.

I'm sorry, but I disagree.
I think... No, I'm sure that the so-called gaslighting is bullshit.
It's an excuse for cowards. Cowards justify their cowardice by saying that someone has suppressed their will, although in fact they understand everything perfectly well, they know that they are being deceived, but they simply lack the courage to defend their opinion, their position, their right. It is psychologically easier for them to agree with someone else's opinion, follow someone else's will and go with the flow.
They are simply afraid of conflict.

 

[WolfmanBR]

I'm sorry, but I disagree.
I think... No, I'm sure that the so-called gaslighting is bullshit.
It's an excuse for cowards. Cowards justify their cowardice by saying that someone has suppressed their will, although in fact they understand everything perfectly well, they know that they are being deceived, but they simply lack the courage to defend their opinion, their position, their right. It is psychologically easier for them to agree with someone else's opinion, follow someone else's will and go with the flow.
They are simply afraid of conflict.

So you're stating, without a shadow of a doubt that all victims whose lives were destroyed by that kind of psychological manipulation are liars. And that all psychologists and psychiatrists who have identified this kind of thing based on facts and scientific research are also liars.

Okay, that's your right. After all, we're living in the Fantastic World of the Little Orange King; nothing surprises me anymore.

 

[KАRАMBA]

So you're stating, without a shadow of a doubt that all victims whose lives were destroyed by that kind of psychological manipulation are liars. And that all psychologists and psychiatrists who have identified this kind of thing based on facts and scientific research are also liars.

In a sense, yes, they lie. But they lie first and foremost to themselves. It is easier for them to believe that someone has deprived them of their will and clouded their minds than to honestly admit to themselves that they are simply cowards who lack the courage to put themselves and their own interests first.