VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[shazba jnr]

Jesus dude, the people on the Titanic when the bow was pointing at the sky were more optimistic than you.

 

[FalconLover420]

Hey, even Josy take it like a champ, when Becky being a rookie and make fish eye
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That throuple threesome is so good

 

[Lord Bradley]

Sometimes it's hard to play this game because some scenes get so relatable and remind you of past emotional events in your own life which are so beautifully delivered here with music that plays at your heartstrings, but that is also what makes this game so great.

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

That throuple threesome is so good

Yep. One of the hottest Ep.11 scenes. After Lily scene.

 

[Blue Milk]

To be fair, while I don't think the other guy's pessimism is warranted I do think if any dev is willing to give a huge middle finger to genre expectations it's DPC. He already does it pretty regularly and continues to include elements many of his players hate simply because they fit his vision of the game, not because they build to the "best" narrative. And in some ways, that willingness to go outside the box and do what no one else does is part of what makes this game so great, but it can also be infuriating at times. See the sudden erectile dysfunction last episode, the puzzle box, or every discussion ever about minigames.

I can totally see some of the relationships simply not working out. The throuple does seem pretty doomed, and while with most devs I would expect some tightrope walk to get that perfect outcome I don't think any conversation about it will ever escape the shadow of the house fire. Bella's route is obviously a ticking time bomb, Sage is leaving at the end of the year, and Jill has her own shit going on. That isn't to say they'll all fail - in any other game I'd expect success to be the default for each - but I can see any one of them ending on a "just friends" note.

Of course, we still have a whole nother season ahead of us to solve some of this drama and further strengthen our relationships, so I think a lot of this stuff will go away once we're closer to the finish line. I don't think most of the routes are doomed to fail, and it could very well be that none of them are. I could see them ending up as super specific win conditions, but knowing how unhinged some people in this forum are I would dread the reaction if any of them are forced bad ends. But I can't quite shake the idea that at least one of these relationships just isn't meant to work out, no matter what.

I always feel as though "middle finger to the genre", as it likely refers to AL, was just how he chose to make a splash in the AVN world to gain notoriety, because it definitely worked, and is not his entire mantra. Having there be a LI who dies and you have to choose who was shocking at the time because AVNs simply did not do that, and I feel as though he didn't do this subversive thing to be detrimental to the whole AVN genre but that he did it to get noticed by doing something to stand out from the crowd.

He's said before that BaDIK was the real passion project and the game he always wanted to make even as he was making AL. He just used AL both as a means to hone and develop his skills with DAZ and coding but also to introduce himself to the AVN community. If he had started with BaDIK it would definitely have suffered from both his inexperience and from just being one small cog in a big machine that people might have overlooked. But because AL gave him a lot of notoriety, not just for the tragedy but also for how people felt about its deep writing, it really springboarded him for his ultimate goal of making BaDIK because he had so many people excitedly anticipating his next game.

So with all that said, I don't think he's necessarily all about always giving a "middle finger" to AVNs by being so subversive with everything he does. A lot in this game certainly won't be as easy and straightforward as the majority of other AVNs in terms of relationsips and having to navigate pitfalls and things that could damage them, and in that he's already doing things differently, not to mention the depth of plot which most AVN do not have. So in my view, he doesn't need to go to the same lengths he went to in AL because this isn't a game designed to cause controversy in order to build a name for himself as AL was, in my mind, as he's already done that, and doing such a thing again would just make him a one-trick pony.

The throuple does seem pretty doomed

On this I will say that I think people are often seeing it incorrectly. They see the choices between them and not much in the way of them spending time together as a 3 as sign that it's "doomed" and it's a "bad relatinship", but they overlook what was going on around them.

After you get into this with them in Ep 4, Eps 5 & 6 both felt pretty good. You partied with them and had the discussion about the relationship in Ep 5 as well as hanging out with in a rather nice moment on the picninc blanket. In Ep 6 we see the girls having a good, open discussion about intimacy with the MC before getting intimate themselves and showing their compatibility, and you get nice moments with them in class, in the cafeteria, and helping them with the Scavenger Hunt, so it was all going well then. But Patrick showing up the way he did put the fear back into Maya and made her retreat into her shell again so this set it back a bit. Then because Sage reached out to her, because it can often help to have some outside help, she reached out to Josy to apologise for being so closed off after Patricks visit and then we got he waterpark date and the moments at the dorm party. Ep 9 then gave us a lot moments with all 3, Ep 10 was another unfortunate step back because of the MC thinking he needed to not spend time with both so he didn't piss off Tommy, and then Ep 11 took another hit because of the MC telling Neil about them. But even in those episodes you still had good moments with the girls separately and together and Ep 11 especially moved things forward in a positive way with the discussion between the girls at the end.

That discussion honestly does set the stage for things to get better because with Josy finally unburdening herself about what she's been feeling about herself and with Maya acknowledging they both need to be more open with each other and with the MC and with both saying this is what they want, it's certainly there that, with the right moments and choices, they can work through the issues and get stronger together as a result. Ultimately their main problem was just that they held back some things for fear of what might happen if they're honest and allowing things to fester like that and go unsaid is always bad for a relationship. But they relieved themselves of that quite a bit here as it was cathartic for both of them because they understood each other well and felt the same way. So I'm actually fairly optimistic about their future after Ep 11 because there's definitely plenty of room for it to be possible after this, it's just the MC who needs to be made to realise that he needs to do things better too.

 

[BJ461]

If the MJ path is doomed to failure, and we're put in a position where we have no choice but to choose, I'd probably just drop the route entirely. I've been invested in making the throuple work for years now, and even though they're not my favourite anymore, I have zero interest in having all that effort having been for nothing for a last minute downer ending.

 

[19Castiel23]

Nobody tell the Josy solo fans this is fake.

I wanna see their heads explode

Darkween will be very disappointed when he learns the truth.

 

[Blue Milk]

Darkween will be very disappointed when he learns the truth.

Nah, I'm sure there's some way their mind can spin this to their advantage

 

[Darkwen]

You cannot judge a writer or a creator when their body of work amounts to 1 thing. There is therefore no "pattern". By your logic, Jordan Peele was only ever capable of doing sketch comedy and nothing else, but I'm pretty sure he's shown that is not the case.

Also, I think you kind of glossed over the entire story of AL if you think that was him "not catering to fans", just like you're glossing over how both games are very different in a multitude of ways.


I literally just showed how AL does did not set a precedent because it was an entirely different thing to how BaDIK is treating this.

Now you're just being willfully ignorant.

Dude I said both games show it not just AL, what you showed is 100% wrong a long ass essay doesn't make you right.

 

[Blue Milk]

Dude I said both games show it not just AL, what you showed is 100% wrong a long ass essay doesn't make you right.

You're literally talking in circles right now because what I said was a deep-dive into how the Megan/Melissa thing in AL is in fact entirely different to how the Josy/Maya relationship is explored in this game. All you're doing is ignoring it and just being like, "Nah bro, because I don't wanna see it that way".

You've glossed over every single actual fact I mentioned about their differences which does in fact make you willfully ignorant as does you thinking that a creator/writer is just going to repeat themselves and can never do anything different.

 

[Darkwen]

You're literally talking in circles right now because what I said was a deep-dive into how the Megan/Melissa thing in AL is in fact entirely different to how the Josy/Maya relationship is explored in this game. All you're doing is ignoring it and just being like, "Nah bro, because I don't wanna see it that way".

You've glossed over single actual fact I mentioned about their differences which does in fact make you willfully ignorant as does you thinking that a creator/writer is just going to repeat themselves and can never do anything different.

How am I talking in circles? there was nothing deep in to what you said just a lot of words. Megan and Missy are the bases for Josy and Maya that isn't even debate it doesn't even a little that Megan and Missy wasn't dating they still the relationships things center around just like Josy and Maya. And while there are differences between them it is not entirely different you could still go after both girls only difference before there could be a throuple you have to kill one at least DPC give you a throuple before having to pick one or who knows maybe give you both thought i wouldn't feel good about that but maybe there hope.

This has nothing to do with me trying to see things the way I want to im not ignoring anything i don't have any reason to that, clearly your very defensed and trying to will your point of view to be right

 

[Blue Milk]

there was nothing deep in to what you said just a lot of words

The fact that you put it that way just shows your ignorance.

Megan and Missy are the bases for Josy and Maya that isn't even debate it doesn't even a little that Megan and Missy wasn't dating they still the relationships things center around just like Josy and Maya

You are incredibly narrow-minded to think that it's a like-for-like. All you see is "possible throuple that never was" and "actual throuple that is" as the same when they are not because of that obvious distinction.

Like I said, where you are with Josy & Maya in Ep 4 is where you were with Megan & Melissa when choosing both of them. BaDIK has gone way beyond anything AL did with Megan & Melissa which means they are incomparable now as a result because one ended before it began and the other has you navigating an actual throuple relationship and getting time with both in a way you never did with Megan & Melissa.

That is just straight-up fact.

maybe give you both thought i wouldn't feel good about that

Who cares about whether you don't feel good about there being a path for both? You obviously don't like it or want it but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be possible especially when, and I emphasise this again, it is a main branch of this game to be in a relationship with both in a throuple and it was never a main branch in AL to be with Megan & Melissa in a throuple. AL was a fakeout, a subversion of what people thought would happen. Doing that again when you've made such a thing an actual main branch in your game would just be a complete waste by having done that because since he's put this in the same category as paths for Sage, Jill, and Bella, it seems a clear signal that these are the most important paths with guaranteed endings precisely because of their status as main branches. By contrast, AL promoted Megan, Melissa, and Rena as the main girls/branches but never promoted Megan & Melissa as a main branch which is why it was able to be ended.

I personally do not care if there's a path to be able to get each of the girls solo, whether that is through the throuple path or from the Others path. DPC giving such an option is just another branch in an already heavily branching game and it's no skin off my nose if it happens. I won't play such a path, but if it's there for those that want it, more power to you. But all I seem to see from the throuple doubters are either that they just don't want it or they cling to this notion of "realism" in a fictional story (even though throuples do exist in the real world).

Folks like this also seem to latch on tightly to that sole example of a near-throuple that was never even a main branch in a very different game as somehow being a precedent despite the obvious differences to how this actual throuple path in BaDIK is, how much deeper things go than AL did, and how the prominence of this relationship branch in BaDIK is totally different. It's essentially like that Office meme, only instead of looking at 2 things that actually are the same picture, people are looking at a square and M.C. Escher's "stairs" artwork and saying they're the same. Some have a very simplistic view of it, and others see it for the obviously different and more complex thing it actually is.

 

[Darkwen]

The fact that you put it that way just shows your ignorance.


You are incredibly narrow-minded to think that it's a like-for-like. All you see is "possible throuple that never was" and "actual throuple that is" as the same when they are not because of that obvious distinction.

Like I said, where you are with Josy & Maya in Ep 4 is where you were with Megan & Melissa when choosing both of them. BaDIK has gone way beyond anything AL did with Megan & Melissa which means they are incomparable now as a result because one ended before it began and the other has you navigating an actual throuple relationship and getting time with both in a way you never did with Megan & Melissa.

That is just straight-up fact.


Who cares about whether you don't feel good about there being a path for both? You obviously don't like it or want it but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be possible especially when, and I emphasise this again, it is a main branch of this game to be in a relationship with both in a throuple and it was never a main branch in AL to be with Megan & Melissa in a throuple. AL was a fakeout, a subversion of what people thought would happen. Doing that again when you've made such a thing an actual main branch in your game would just be a complete waste by having done that because since he's put this in the same category as paths for Sage, Jill, and Bella, it seems a clear signal that these are the most important paths with guaranteed endings precisely because of their status as main branches. By contrast, AL promoted Megan, Melissa, and Rena as the main girls/branches but never promoted Megan & Melissa as a main branch which is why it was able to be ended.

I personally do not care if there's a path to be able to get each of the girls solo, whether that is through the throuple path or from the Others path. DPC giving such an option is just another branch in an already heavily branching game and it's no skin off my nose if it happens. I won't play such a path, but if it's there for those that want it, more power to you. But all I seem to see from the throuple doubters are either that they just don't want it or they cling to this notion of "realism" in a fictional story (even though throuples do exist in the real world).

Folks like this also seem to latch on tightly to that sole example of a near-throuple that was never even a main branch in a very different game as somehow being a precedent despite the obvious differences to how this actual throuple path in BaDIK is, how much deeper things go than AL did, and how the prominence of this relationship branch in BaDIK is totally different. It's essentially like that Office meme, only instead of looking at 2 things that actually are the same picture, people are looking at a square and M.C. Escher's "stairs" artwork and saying they're the same. Some have a very simplistic view of it, and others see it for the obviously different and more complex thing it actually is.

Do you have anything better to do then just call me narrow minded and ignorant if not then just stop because it just makes you look stupid, if I didn't know any better i would think you this jackass from discord no one likes.

You have proven yourself wrong. I want solo Josy and by the way things going I feel very safe in saying it looks very good that I will get it. I actually do have a balance throuple path back when I like Maya back in ep 10. You are doing a lot of assuming and doing a great job of making yourself look like the first letters so well done

I want solo Josy i don't hide that also im not against there being a path to save the throuple I simply do not think there will be based on what the game shows and if you can't accept that then that got nothing to do with me but everything to do with you.

if you had real facts which clearly you do not you would stick to them instead of attacking someone whats -a- matter mr err there a Josy and maya path there for you have to get both DPC owes me err I write long ass essays there for I know everything whats wrong scared your wrong about everything?

 

[ChipLecsap]

OMG, after all this years there is still "throuple talk " ?!
Yes, there will be solo ending for them, and threeway ending for them, and if you decide to go back to Zoey that is another outcome.
It's really not that complicated

 

[Blue Milk]

Do you have anything better to do then just call me narrow minded and ignorant

Well, if you make a statement that "lots of words" means there's nothing factual in them, that just does seem a little ignorant to me, so I'm just calling a spade a spade.

And yes, saying that you think because something was done once means it just has to happen again despite the clear differences does indeed make you a little narrow-minded to not even consider that things can be done differently.

You have proven yourself wrong. I want solo Josy

And this disproves the notion that your want of a solo path is your reasoning for why you don't think a throuple ending happens how?

if you had real facts which clearly you do not you would stick to them instead of attacking someone whats -a- matter mr err there a Josy and maya path there for you have to get both DPC owes me err I write long ass essays there for I know everything whats wrong scared your wrong about everything?

This post right here was literally full of facts about the clear and obvious differences between these relationships in their respective games. I literally am sticking to these and others about how this relationship is not the same thing as what we saw in AL and that it does not set a precedent because it is one very different situation in a very different game. I'm just saying that since you don't want seem to want to acknowledge any of the legitimate points being made and that you continually brush them off as just "too many words" and stick purely to your own desired perception, that it does make you seem a tad obtuse.

OMG, after all this years there is still "throuple talk " ?!
Yes, there will be solo ending for them, and threeway ending for them, and if you decide to go back to Zoey that is another outcome.
It's really not that complicated

A succinct and sane assessment that is much appreciated

Also, forgive me if this has been covered too much. I'm not here very often

 

[Darkwen]

OMG, after all this years there is still "throuple talk " ?!
Yes, there will be solo ending for them, and threeway ending for them, and if you decide to go back to Zoey that is another outcome.
It's really not that complicated

Some throuple fans can't handle that

 

[ChipLecsap]

Some throuple fans can't handle that

I don't know what they can't handle, those who want a throuple ending, will get one . I really don't get this back and forth between you and Blue Milk , you will both get what you want, what is the problem ?!

You know what , I don't care

 

[Darkwen]

Well, if you make a statement that "lots of word" means there's nothing factual in them, that just does seem a little ignorant to me, so I'm just calling a spade a spade.

And yes, saying that you think because something was done once means it just has to happen again despite the clear differences does indeed make you a little narrow-minded to not even consider that things can be done differently.


And this disproves the notion that your want of a solo path is your reasoning for why you don't think a throuple ending happens how?


This post right here was literally full of facts about the clear and obvious differences between these relationships in their respective games. I literally am sticking to these and others about how this relationship is not the same thing as what we saw in AL and that it does not set a precedent because it is one very different situation in a very different game. I'm just saying that since you don't want seem to want to acknowledge any of the legitimate points being made and that you continually brush them off as just "too many words" and stick purely to your own desired perception, that it does make you seem a tad obtuse.


A succinct and sane assessment that is much appreciated

I take it you didn't read what i said. I have never said I don't want a throuple ending it just isn't a path im interested in playing anymore because I do not think DPC is going to give a throuple ending which has nothing to do with my desire for solo Josy. The fact DPC never lets you pick both girls and plus the very poor state of there relationship all through the game leads me to believe what i do which is based not on what i want but what the game shows over and over again

I have said a million times there could be a throuple ending and solo endings clearly you are ignoring that fact I wouldn't call someone ignorant when your the one guilty of it bad throuple fan

 

[Darkwen]

I don't know what they can't handle, those who want a throuple ending, will get one . I really don't get this back and forth between you and Blue Milk , you will both get what you want, what is the problem ?!

You know what , I don't care

Im ok with throuple fans getting there ending even if i don't think it going to happen i accept it if it does
since as you said solo and throuple can get what they want. He has a massive issue if that or has Darkwen Derangement Syndrome maybe both lol

 

[.Lucky.]

Are u BooBMan or AssMan ??