How can it literally line up when Maya never said when she signed and when Patrick gave the ultimatum to her. Josy said why does it feel the way it did before summer but don't mean the ultimatum has already been given you might assume it has but that doesn't might it true and we don't know how far back Josy means she just said before summer. It very lazy to blame Patrick he isn't the reason they have grown apart it much deeper then that
Because Maya saying,
"he gave me the ultimatum that I couldn't see Josy ever again", lines up precisely with Josy saying that them having to separate again feels
"exactly like it did before summer" because it is literally just like that. Patrick's ultimatum kept them from seeing each other all summer, we know this, meaning they couldn't spend time together. With Josy moving out of the dorm, it therefore feels similiar to this for her because they are again being forced to stay apart even if it's only in terms of them not being able to have time together in a private place.
Patrick's ultimatum was therefore the catalyst for what's happened since because, as Josy pretty much said in Ep 2,
"Relationships when you can't be with each other every week suck, by the way". The literal physical distance was hard on them and it exposed them to feeling pressures and tribulations they hadn't exerienced before. They didn't handle these well because, at the end of the day, they're inexperienced teenagers who simply didn't know the best way to handle these issues. All couples need to learn and develop good, open communication skills and also to not let negative things have an adverse effect on them. This is what the deeper issues are, really, and they're correctly identified in their conversation in Ep 11 as being what this whole ordeal has made them realise needs to be worked on and they both earnestly want to do that. They haven't given up on each other yet and they're going to take the time needed to try and rekindle things.
That's right. They have good moments when the MC is with them. But how many good moments do they have without the MC?
Plenty, actually.
They had a good moment in Ep 4 when they reconnected, partying together at the Prep mansion in Ep 5 because the MC isn't always with them and isn't with them if not on their path, they have their lewd scene in Ep 6 (seen on throuple path but have to imagine they got it on quite a bit before Patrick showed up), their talk in Ep 8 in the HOT house, their talk in Ep 8 in the MC's room when on their path, and then the cathartic talk in Ep 11.
That's at least all the ones we saw and there could easily be things we didn't because we don't have to see everything that other characters do. Like going shopping for costumes, we didn't see a scene with just them doing it but we know they will have and that could have been a good moment between them too.
I read about the problem of two sofas at the end of episode 11. It's interesting that they didn't even consider lying down together and leaving a free sofa for the MC. It's significant, isn't it?
Just DPC forcing drama, honestly.
True. But relationships that don't have that have a much better chance of surviving in the long run.
Relationships can develop into that but they don't start out that way. You'll typically face this kind of trial by fire in every relationship where you have to realise the work that you need to put in to make it work and to not just rest on yout laurels, and overcoming these things is how you learn to deal with and remove those obstacles for that long-lasting future.
In any case, if one of the partners thinks that they would be better off with someone else, it's a serious problem. Imagine if your wife were to tell you: "I really love someone else, but he said no, so I'm staying with you." How would that make you feel?
It's not really that simple.
When you feel like you're not getting the affection and often intimacy you desire and feel you need or you feel that your partner's feelings towards you have changed, it can be easy to grasp onto someone who seems like they do or could offer what you feel you're missing. This is honestly a perfectly normal reaction because connection like this is important for people and it's something that mostly everyone craves. But it doesn't necessarily mean it's at the level of love, particularly in this case where what Josy feels is a crush, and it also doesn't mean it can't be overcome. That's why couple and marriage counselors exist, to help couples repair these rifts and at least attempt to rediscover their feelings for each other by woking on and through the issues.
Sometimes people in a couple can take their partner for granted, something Maya openly admitted to in Ep 11, because even couples who've been together for decades and gone through just about everything still need to give each other affection and affirmation. It's something you constantly need to do and neglecting that can lead to issues as it had done here. But realising that and then working on making things better can go a long way and can pull a relationship back from the brink and end up as a footnote in a long and happy life together.
Josy and Maya have not been married for 20 years. They are college students who have been dating for about a year. If they are already tired of each other, what is their future?
A year is still very early on in a relationship though. Some people can be together for even longer and still not have figured everything out yet. Some people spend years together, get married, and then one of them becomes very different making their partner almost immediately feel like they've made a mistake.
But Josy and Maya are not tired of each other, that's not what this is. If they were they would have just ended things then and there but they didn't. What it is was 2 inexperienced teens not dealing with a major obstacle in their relationship in the best way. Can't really hold that against them, in my view, because I'm sure we've all been there or at least have known something like this; messing up a good thing when you were young because you weren't mature enough to know the right way to handle it and let emotions and hormones get the better of you. Knowing what to do and what not to do is something that comes with age and experience and they just got a hefty dose of experience right here.
But they've actually done the right thing here in Ep 11 by calmly and rationally talking it out and both reached a mutual determination to work on the issues they've correctly identified as necessary for their relationship to work, so they're off to a good start.
It's when people are drunk that they say what they really think.
Except it really wasn't like that. Josy's the one who brings up all the times they've done things as a 3 and saying it was all "before we tried the bed". If, however, you did anything on a bed with Maya, she says so because she's still in a state of euphoria and didn't think anything of it. So it wasn't like it was said to brag or compete, it was just Maya being disarmingly honest and not thinking it was a problem.
As I remember, Josy says something like: "Patrick was never the real cause of our problems."
I'm not trying to say that Josy and Maya won't solve their problems. It's possible that they will. But at the moment, I see a lot of problems and not much effort to fix them. Other players may see it differently.
When having their talk in Ep 11, Josy does say,
"I don't think our problems start or end with Patrick. It's easy to pin the blame on him for everything, but I think there are more problems in our relationship that he overshadowed. Like us not communicating well." What she says is somewhat correctly identifying the issues I've been talking about, that them being forced apart led to them not handling things well in terms of their communication, making time for each other, and not succumbing to negatives.
As I said, these are issues all relationships face, especially when physical distance is involved, and Patrick's ultimatum essentially exposed the holes in the ship, as it were, the things that all couples must face, the adversities they must overcome and not let bring them down if they want to make it work. Because again, this is so very indicative of relationships like this at that age, that you do kind of cruise along thinking that just being together is enough to get you through. But relationships are hard work with good, open communication at its core and this is precisely what they realised they need to do better, finally, so that's why I say they've taken a very positive step here but why I also say that Patrick did start this because him being a roadblock exposed what needed to be better and what they needed to learn from.