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anony66 said:
I'm not blaming her for getting abused, that's on Buddy, but I am saying she is partially responsible for being taken advantage of, yes. And if somebody came to me and told me a story like that, I would be asking: "Why didn't you just say no and walk away?"
Because being a "people-pleaser"is not an excuse. You can't play victim if haven't even tried to stand up for yourself. If you are being taken advantage of, and there isn't some sort of significant disparity in age, power or intelligence or some sort of leverage (neither of which was the case here), then, I'm sorry to say it, but then you've got to blame yourself. If you are an adult, you've got behave like one, you've got to stand up for yourself. You've got to learn to say "No". If Rio would've said "No Quinn, I don't want any part in your drug deals." and walked away, there would've been NOTHING Quinn could've done.
Yes, Rio trusted Quinn. She CHOSE to trust Quinn. She thought Quinn could keep her save. Quinn trusted herself, and thought she could keep Rio save. Neither of which worked out. They both made mistakes. It's been known to happen.

I'm not saying what Quinn did was in any way nice or even ok. It wasn't. But blaming everything on her is just nonsense. I'm not going to insult Riona by infantilizing her and taking all agency away from her. She knew what she was getting into, and made a choice.
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No, the abuse is on Quinn too, Buddy kidnapped and assaulted her/tortured her, Quinn has been doing a number on Riona basically since they met; Quinn tells this to Tremolo, and we don't know if that slap that she gave her was the first time because Quinn's pimp hand flew real quick as soon as Riona started complaining. Riona stays there because she's been conditioned for years to believe that Quinn is right, that she's dumb and worthless without her. So, if a person is being abused like Riona is by Quinn (which she is, slapping someone for disagreeing with you is abuse, constantly denigrating someone is abuse), you'd tell her to just walk away? Nice job with you empathy, dude; why didn't she think about that?

Being a people-pleaser is very much a reason (not an excuse). This isn't about age or power disparity. There are people who cannot confront or oppose someone. It's called sociotropy. These people constantly prioritize others, often to their own detriment and they are extremely conflict avoidant. It's a psychological response to abandonment and/or low self-esteem.

So no, Riona couldn't just walk away; she just can't. Only after suffering the shock of being kidnapped and tortured was she able to finally push back.
 
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Who has the last save (season 2)?
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Here you go guys. Every save, for every route, for Seasons 1, 2, and the current state of Season 3 (Episode 10 or 0.10.1). NO mods. Mini games turned ON. All scenes unlocked. All special renders found. All 2D Art purchased/unlocked. All upgrades such as Brawler Skills/Derek Cheats/Magnar Bonuses/Picture Frames and Wallet Quantity unlocked for all routes all the way up to Season 2; with the exception of DIK Hots and Sides route (Magnar Bonuses still remaining). Mansion Repair Completed for all routes. Aiming for similar completion with the new Mini-Games such as Fish Tank/New Cheats and Bonuses etc for Season 3. Rank "S" for current Party Planning Mini Game, for all routes. I used "Stevan" as MC's first name, "Pena" for MC's last name and "SexyMexican98" for my Swyper/Rooster tag. You can change those with the phone in game as well as Music Favorites/PetNames/Ringtones/Wallpapers with the exception of MC's last name, you'll have to play episode 9 again in order to change it as of now. Each folder contains saves for the start of each episode so don't get confused with the "Episode 11 start" saves, there is no Episode 11 yet, just "End of Episode 10" saves. All save files contain the following routes.

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Drevok said:
No, the abuse is on Quinn too, Buddy kidnapped and assaulted her/tortured her, Quinn has been doing a number on Riona basically since they met; Quinn tells this to Tremolo, and we don't know if that slap that she gave her was the first time because Quinn's pimp hand flew real quick as soon as Riona started complaining. Riona stays there because she's been conditioned for years to believe that Quinn is right, that she's dumb and worthless without her. So, if a person is being abused like Riona is by Quinn (which she is, you can deny it all you want, slapping someone for disagreeing with you is abuse, constantly denigrating someone is abuse), you'd tell her to just walk away? Nice job with you empathy, dude; why didn't she think about that?

Being a people-pleaser is very much a reason (not an excuse). This isn't about age or power disparity. There are people who cannot confront or oppose someone. It's called sociotropy. These people constantly prioritize others, often to their own detriment and they are extremely conflict avoidant. It's a psychological response to abandonment and/or low self-esteem.

So no, Riona couldn't just walk away; she just can't. Only after suffering the shock of being kidnapped and tortured was she able to finally push back.
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Eh, if you really want to call a single slap abuse, go ahead. I'd consider that use of the term quite inflationary and an insult to victims of actual abuse, but I guess the inflationary use of many terms is in fashion, so you do you.
And yes, if you don't even attempt to stand up for yourself, my empathy is quite limited. I despise that kind of victim mentality.

And while you correctly say that sociotropy (which for good reason is not a diagnostic term) is not an excuse, in your next paragraph you still use it as one. It isn't one. We all have character traits that make certain things harder for us, but that doesn't mean we can just hide behind them. If Riona wasn't ok with what she was doing and the risks she was obviously taking, she needed to do something about it. Nobody else can do something like that for you.
 
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anony66 said:
Eh, if you really want to call a single slap abuse, go ahead. I'd consider that use of the term quite inflationary and an insult to victims of actual abuse, but I guess the inflationary use of many terms is in fashion, so you do you.
And yes, if you don't even attempt to stand up for yourself, my empathy is quite limited. I despise that kind of victim mentality.

And while you correctly say that sociotropy (which for good reason is not a diagnostic term) is not an excuse, in your next paragraph you still use it as one. It isn't one. We all have character traits that make certain things harder for us, but that doesn't mean we can just hide behind them. If Riona wasn't ok with what she was doing and the risks she was obviously taking, she needed to do something about it. Nobody else can do something like that for you.
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As I said, we don't know if that slap was the first one. But, besides that, psychological and emotional abuse is still abuse, and Quinn has been berating and denigrating Riona for who knows how long.

People who are being abused are conditioned to think and feel in certain ways, and that is very much a reason why some people stay in situations like these. You can't just tell them to walk away
 
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anony66 said:
Eh, if you really want to call a single slap abuse, go ahead. I'd consider that use of the term quite inflationary and an insult to victims of actual abuse, but I guess the inflationary use of many terms is in fashion, so you do you.
And yes, if you don't even attempt to stand up for yourself, my empathy is quite limited. I despise that kind of victim mentality.

And while you correctly say that sociotropy (which for good reason is not a diagnostic term) is not an excuse, in your next paragraph you still use it as one. It isn't one. We all have character traits that make certain things harder for us, but that doesn't mean we can just hide behind them. If Riona wasn't ok with what she was doing and the risks she was obviously taking, she needed to do something about it. Nobody else can do something like that for you.
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That doesn't mean you should exploit other people's character flaws. But that's exactly what Quinn did to Riona. You can see and read about it in the game.
 
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Drevok said:
As I said, we don't know if that slap was the first one. But, besides that, psychological and emotional abuse is still abuse, and Quinn has been berating and denigrating Riona for who knows how long.

People who are being abused are conditioned to think and feel in certain ways, and that is very much a reason why some people stay in situations like these. You can't just tell them to walk away
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Lots of speculation, lots of use of the term "abuse" I disagree with. Whatever. Pointless to argue about.
Yes, it may be a reason, but it doesn't absolve you from responsibility.

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That doesn't mean you should exploit other people's character flaws. But that's exactly what Quinn did to Riona. You can see and read about it in the game.
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And I never said that. A few posts back I clearly said that what Quinn did wasn't ok. But that doesn't mean that Quinn has full responsibility for what happened and Riona has none. That's bullshit. And that's the only thing I'm arguing against.
 
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anony66 said:
Lots of speculation, lots of use of the term "abuse" I disagree with. Whatever. Pointless to argue about.
Yes, it may be a reason, but it doesn't absolve you from responsibility.


And I never said that. A few posts back I clearly said that what Quinn did wasn't ok. But that doesn't mean that Quinn has full responsibility for what happened and Riona has none. That's bullshit. And that's the only thing I'm arguing against.
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Quinn bears sole responsibility. She never delegated any responsibility to Riona.
 
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