VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[SPACE_BOOOOOST]

but i prefer the balanced. I'm nice with the people i like and they like me, and I'm not afraid to be asshole , and stand up for myself with those who act toward me like assholes.

Except the game allows this freedom of choice less and less as you progress through it. Every major decision cuts off a "slice" of the affinity bar and if you alternate these choices based on your actual judgement, you'll end up in a situation down the line where at first you won't be able to do "massive" DIK/CHICK decisions, then "huge" ones and so on. Eventually, neutral MCs will be left with only that green part of the affinity bar and a bunch of options greyed out during conversations, unable to take a stand or make an impactful choice.

Or maybe I'm missing something, I don't know. Haven't tried going neutral so far, it just doesn't seem like a viable path on the long run.

 

[chocolatemilkgames]

Last I checked "neutral" path opened up the most lewds (and/or possible LI choices), so not quite.

Also, how the hell is, as a quick example, shit like hitting Troy for something he clearly had no control over, or starting a brawl against the Alphas, "simping?"

I can get that some can see being a little bit more attentive to the girls, beyond going "Becky, wanna smash?!" as "simping" on the basis of whatever your personal values are, but Chick choices are, in general, demonstrably the more emotionally mature and responsible approach. Also, far less "fun," for what it's worth, and I actually like that DPC made it that way.

DIK is brash, CHICK is reserved. However, hitting anyone at all is a DIK choice, so definitely not simping. I wouldn't call the CHICK MC a simp, but basically my personal feelings on the CHICK path is that the MC doesn't bother to go after things he might want for the most part. There are times where he absolutely does regardless of the path you're on, but ultimately the dialogue feels almost "nice guy". Less like he's being honest about what he wants, and more like he's saying what he thinks people want to hear (you could easily argue that that's ultimately worse). Of course this is completely dependent on the player's personal interpretation of the same thing and how it reads in your inner monologue.

Ultimately part of what makes this game stand out so much is how well DPC nails dialogue and character interaction. Be too brash and some people will be put off by it, BUT the confidence and boisterous nature will also make more people take notice of you and be drawn to you and vice versa. Be too reserved and people will hardly ever notice you or even care about you beyond an acquaintance, BUT the people who did get to know you will come to love you on a deeper level. Which is better just depends on where you are in life.

 

[LazerShark]

Ok, it seems this question has not been asked yet, and if it did I apologise, since this thread is almost 4000 pages long and it's hard to search for this.
What's with the white assholes? Up until now, every girl that I've seen undress seems to have her asshole, and sometimes even her pussy, in a lighter color than her regular skin color, which looks weird and unappealing in a game with reasonably good art. Why is that? Does it get better later in the game? I'm currently on episode 3 (if this problem wasn't really a big deal before, it now absolutely is after I've seen the black stripper).

 

[Lightaces]

Ok, it seems this question has not been asked yet, and if it did I apologise, since this thread is almost 4000 pages long and it's hard to search for this.
What's with the white assholes? Up until now, every girl that I've seen undress seems to have her asshole, and sometimes even her pussy, in a lighter color than her regular skin color, which looks weird and unappealing in a game with reasonably good art. Why is that? Does it get better later in the game? I'm currently on episode 3 (if this problem wasn't really a big deal before, it now absolutely is after I've seen the black stripper).

The available assets for black girls (well, really, anyone who isn't white) aren't great, especially for "private" areas. There are some decent skins, but I've yet to see a gens package which has shells which are appropriate for, say, a really dark African woman. You can modify them, of course, but you'll find a lot of developers stick with stock assets - after all, when you are doing thousands of renders for a chapter of a game you do need to find things which work consistently, and quickly. Dark skin nipples are tough too.

 

[AvatarStormBringer]

Also, Quinn might not be totally opposed to it either.

All the girls will likely have a soft side to them, even apparent tough girls like Quinn, and the MC will just do what all MCs do and break down that tough exterior to reveal the softy inside.

You know what's my take on this Quinn image? "A successful businessman who just finished fucking his mistress and is getting ready to leave". Quinn's expression is like "Have I been doing the right thing? What the fuck have I been doing all this time?"

Maybe I watch too much cheesy drama.

Was the scene after Quinn finished the deed, or MC disobeyed and moved and got kicked out?

 

[ChipLecsap]

Except the game allows this freedom of choice less and less as you progress through it. Every major decision cuts off a "slice" of the affinity bar and if you alternate these choices based on your actual judgement, you'll end up in a situation down the line where at first you won't be able to do "massive" DIK/CHICK decisions, then "huge" ones and so on. Eventually, neutral MCs will be left with only that green part of the affinity bar and a bunch of options greyed out during conversations, unable to take a stand or make an impactful choice.

Or maybe I'm missing something, I don't know. Haven't tried going neutral so far, it just doesn't seem like a viable path on the long run.

indeed, however if you only follow one path, like full chick or dik, you already lost 9 slice from the other one. so technically you are in a worse position, because you will be not able to choose even if you wanted to. you forced to be on that path what you choose, and I don't prefer that, because it's black and white and the world is not black and white, that is why so far the neutral not locked you out of anything mayor, other than secondary scenes.

 

[Wizard_Shiryuu]

You know what's my take on this Quinn image? "A successful businessman who just finished fucking his mistress and is getting ready to leave". Quinn's expression is like "Have I been doing the right thing? What the fuck have I been doing all this time?"

Maybe I watch too much cheesy drama.

Was the scene after Quinn finished the deed, or MC disobeyed and moved and got kicked out?

I think both scenes play out the same in the end when you walk out, regardless of if you kiss her or not.

 

[Razrback16]

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Love this pic - one scenario I'd love to see is the MC have to attend some kind of formal party / dance / etc. and you get a choice on who to ask - would be a very enjoyable "flip" if you could ask Quinn to go with you and see how she behaved in that environment. Having to wear a cocktail / formal dress and get all made up, not to mention the drama it would create with the MC's other girls and people in the DIK and HOT groups. See how she would flip out if MC tried to hold her hand or something, lol.

Well, let's speculate for a while. What do you expect to happen on next episode? What will be the next hot scene to behold?

I expect Cathy to wear something showing off her rear end for MC. I think Episode 5 ended on a Sunday so should be the next day going to class and seeing what she wears for him, hah. Beyond that I imagine...

* Beginning to fix up the DIK mansion
* Potentially looking for work for the DIKs to get involved in to make $
* Based on the previews, a Dungeons & Gremlins adventure with Jill, Maya, Josy, and some of the Tri-Betas
* Potential fallout related to the adventure Derek & MC had ad the Prep mansion
* Additional fallout with the Tri-Alphas for obvious reasons
* Also based on the previews, we'll likely be seeing one of Quinn's drug locales and watching (as well as likely participating) in some of the damage control Quinn will be doing as she's basically fucked up all kinds of relationships for herself at this point and will be trying to put out metaphorical fires all over the place - this will be the episode I expect her and the MC to have the potential for "bonding" on a more personal level - I personally hope for the opportunity to have the "knight in shining armor" trope in some regard with Quinn.
* We'll also likely head home at least for a day or two to find out what the letter is regarding MC's mom.

I'm probably forgetting a few items but that's just a quick list.

 

[Deleted member 1113755]

The Chick/Dik thing was obviously going to have to expand beyond binaries of either being a total Chick or a total Dik eventually. With each of the girls, the main LI's at least, you're probably going to have to strike a balance between Dik and Chick, leaning this way and that depending on the girl and on which scenes you want unlocked in a given playthrough.

If you were serious about developing the relationship with Sage you're obviously going to have to do more than Dik stuff, contrary to the binary offered by the Chick/Dik system so far she's not just some nypho who's on the rebound. She probably has feelings and emotions, and a desire to emotionally connect with someone. I bet she wants to cuddle too. On the other side I don't think Jill is just going to continue through the game as some untouched virgin who's just got tons of pent up sexual desire. She's probably gonna want to have insane debauched sex, at least a little bit, and some investment in the Dik side of the alignment is gonna be necessary. You can already see this playing out with Bella. With Maya and Josie I think Dik points will be necessary if you want to break them up and have one yourself. All of this applies even to Quinn as I figure she will be bumped up to Main Girl status sooner or later. At some point she's probably gonna break down once she realizes she's in way too deep. She's probably gonna cry, and if you played the game with only Dik points she's probably not gonna turn to the guy who treats her like a piece of meat.

Though it should be said that a pure Dik/Chick playthrough might have its own rewards.

The alignment system is kinda constrained though. It's already set up in such a way that you're locked into a Dik/Chick role five episodes into a game that supposedly will consist of 15 or 20 episodes. Either the major Dik/Chick decisions have to be greatly reduced or reworked, or the alignment scale will have to greatly expanded so it can continue to be relevant late into the game.

 

[xsssssssss]

Speaking about end game I've always wondered how big of an impact our AFFINITY will have compared to the choices we've made in determing the endings we get.

I hope it’s choice led and affinity is just flavoring.

 

[Gh0st_Harambe]

Maybe tomorrow we have another main girl wallpaper.
Hope is the last thing that dies

 

[Zirael Q]

Last I checked "neutral" path opened up the most lewds (and/or possible LI choices), so not quite.

Also, how the hell is, as a quick example, shit like hitting Troy for something he clearly had no control over, or starting a brawl against the Alphas, "simping?"

Do you seriously think "DIK path" is just choose a DIK choice everytime you face a choice? Did I need to mention that as well? On DIK path, other than getting Jill's shower scene and MJ content, you can get everything already. So?
"Hitting Troy for something he clearly had no control over", like his attitude towards MC from first moment? Acting like a total asshole, not even saying sorry about what happened, letting probably the most valuable thing to MC get stolen? Not even notifying someone over this? It could clearly put Chad and the other Jocks broke in the dorm?
Then he decides to get physical with MC let me remind you if you forgot it, TROY PUSHES MC FIRST in that situation. If you wanna get pushed around when you are absolutely right in an argument, go ahead and do that.
All this happens, then MC storms out and yells "TIHS IS NTO OEVR TROY"
Starting a brawl against the Alphas, clearly they have no problems with MC yeah. My bad, didn't realize it. MC should've just said "sorry boys, my mistake, shouldn't have said anything in Sage situation. It's my fault you guys gave me a wedgie, not gonna happen again"

I can get that some can see being a little bit more attentive to the girls, beyond going "Becky, wanna smash?!" as "simping" on the basis of whatever your personal values are, but Chick choices are, in general, demonstrably the more emotionally mature and responsible approach. Also, far less "fun," for what it's worth, and I actually like that DPC made it that way.

So whenever someone says something about Maya other than "OH MAYA YOU ARE PERFECT" MC can actually go "You better watch your mouth", even when she's basically not a close friend yet. Not being able to take a joke, white knighting a certain girl through out the game. Jesus christ MC tries to defend Maya against Derek, because he called her "total cockblock" before even knowing how close they are But it's not simping, yeah right
Whatever, no need to drag this on. Seems you are comfortable with running away when people pushes you.

 

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[Darkdevil66]

Do you seriously think "DIK path" is just choose a DIK choice everytime you face a choice? Did I need to mention that as well? On DIK path, other than getting Jill's shower scene and MJ content, you can get everything already. So?
"Hitting Troy for something he clearly had no control over", like his attitude towards MC from first moment? Acting like a total asshole, not even saying sorry about what happened, letting probably the most valuable thing to MC get stolen? Not even notifying someone over this? It could clearly put Chad and the other Jocks broke in the dorm?
Then he decides to get physical with MC let me remind you if you forgot it, TROY PUSHES MC FIRST in that situation. If you wanna get pushed around when you are absolutely right in an argument, go ahead and do that.
All this happens, then MC storms out and yells "TIHS IS NTO OEVR TROY"
Starting a brawl against the Alphas, clearly they have no problems with MC yeah. My bad, didn't realize it. MC should've just said "sorry boys, my mistake, shouldn't have said anything in Sage situation. It's my fault you guys gave me a wedgie, not gonna happen again"

Furthermore, even if the MC actually doesn't interfere during Chad and Sage's argument, Chad still threatens him anyway (Which is highly hypocritical considering he's the cheater who doesn't even give a shit about Sage). Dawe gives him a wedgie all the same.

That's my main issue with a full CHICK path. The MC acts like a passive bully magnet. There's actually no reason not fighting back. I don't even understand why fighting the Alpha is supposed to be a dik move. His father taught him martial arts for that exact reason. Dawe attacked him first and he was surrounded by hostile jerks. The whole "breaking code" is a no-sense. You don't handle bullies by running from them all the time.

A MC on Dik path can be an ass but at least he's confident and tough. Considering he overpowered Dawe, the three jocks and was able to hold his own against the Hulking Caleb, I bet Dawe and most alphas won't have the balls to physically confront him anymore.

 

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i knew it she is gonna wear that posh YSL bikini, lord have mercy

 

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That my girl.

 

[Holy Bacchus]

MC visits home and maybe finds out something significant about his mom

That likely won't be happening for a few more episodes, possibly the last of season 2, because the MC's birthday is still some time away.

I don't even understand why fighting the Alpha is supposed to be a dik move. His father taught him martial arts for that exact reason. Dawe attacked him first and he was surrounded by hostile jerks. The whole "breaking code" is a no-sense. You don't handle bullies by running from them all the time.

First of all, the first rule of martial arts is much like that of the Jedi, in that it is to be used for defense and not for attack. When Dawe attacks the MC, he rightly defends himself, but the other Jocks are simply standing in front of the MC and haven't done anything, so if you choose to fight them then it's the MC who is now on the attack and not on defense. By choosing not to fight them, he's proving to be a princpled person hence why it is considered a good (CHICK) decision to not fight them.

Secondly, as someone who faced bullying growing up, I can say from my own personal experience that "doing nothing" can work. It doesn't work for everyone, yes, but it worked for me. It was the typical stuff - name-calling, ridiculing me for things that I liked, making fun of my glasses, shoving me against walls in the hallway, slashing about 1/2 a dozen schoolbags open with a knife, physically threatening me - but I never did anything; never got upset, never fought back, and never talked back to them either.

It was still a hellish couple of years when I was around 13/14, but then they mostly stopped. There was one guy who went on a bit longer than the others, and I vividly remember one time when he had me pinned to a wall and threatend to beat me up, then 2 of my now former bullies pulled him off me and got rid of him and asked if I was OK. They even said that if he did that again, they would beat him up for me. So sometimes, non-violent resistance can actually work out for the better and it's not in any way "unmanly" or "simping" to be like that.

 

[Johnysilver771]

My favorite girl in this game

 

[Darkdevil66]

First of all, the first rule of martial arts is much like that of the Jedi, in that it is to be used for defense and not for attack.

And that's why Jedis lost the war several time.

More seriously, there's the theory and there's the real life. My japanese karate teacher would have never blamed for gettin in a fight against bullies. In fact, he would even have encouradged me to do so. A code is a thing but the world isn't so simple.

When Dawe attacks the MC, he rightly defends himself, but the other Jocks are simply standing in front of the MC and haven't done anything, so if you choose to fight them then it's the MC who is now on the attack and not on defense. By choosing not to fight them, he's proving to be a princpled person hence why it is considered a good (CHICK) decision to not fight them.

Not really, their intention was more than obvious. They wouldn't have just stood and let the MC go, if the MC didn't run or fought back. They're actually the ones crossing the distance to fight the MC. He's just faster than them.

Secondly, as someone who faced bullying growing up, I can say from my own personal experience that "doing nothing" can work. It doesn't work for everyone, yes, but it worked for me. It was the typical stuff - name-calling, ridiculing me for things that I liked, making fun of my glasses, shoving me against walls in the hallway, slashing about 1/2 a dozen schoolbags open with a knife, physically threatening me - but I never did anything; never got upset, never fought back, and never talked back to them either.

And like you said, it doesn't work for anyone. It may even get worse. In highschool, I saw too many people getting bullied without daring to fight back or doing anything about it. I saw my own little brother getting bullied. So don't take it personally but I highly disagree with your attitude and your way of thinking. I fought back, my brother too and my father before me did the same. It isn't about physical violence or a misplaced sense of virility. Everyone can be bullied but you don't have to lock yourself in the role of victim. The bullieds have to learn they can't always get away with their shit. So fight back, tell a teacher, ask help, find a way but "doing nothing" ? No man, it's no-sense to me. People have to act, not simply hoping things'll go better.