VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[Deleted member 2739658]

I think Josy's main motivation for wanting to join the HOTs and have them pay her tuition is so she doesn't have to use her Dad's money.

She states in ep 4 that she still hopes to be able to get the money from her Dad but wants to get the free tuition even if/when she gets it, and she'd be doing it "for Maya". The reason being, as far as I can see, is that if the HOTs offer were to be genuine, then Josy can stash her Dad's money away as a nest egg for when she finishes college in order to use it to start a new life elsewhere, free from debt. This benefits Maya because Josy is likely believing that they'll still be together and this would therefore help her (Maya) to escape her Dad more easily because they'd have the money to move far away from him after college.

No, as I pointed out there's no way that Josy would risk being a whore in her Father's eye's. It may still be written that way but it will be another instance of where DPC has created a character and then made them behave in a way that's diametrically opposed to the character that he's created.

 

[Deleted member 2739658]

I think Josy's main motivation for wanting to join the HOTs and have them pay her tuition is so she doesn't have to use her Dad's money.

She states in ep 4 that she still hopes to be able to get the money from her Dad but wants to get the free tuition even if/when she gets it, and she'd be doing it "for Maya". The reason being, as far as I can see, is that if the HOTs offer were to be genuine, then Josy can stash her Dad's money away as a nest egg for when she finishes college in order to use it to start a new life elsewhere, free from debt. This benefits Maya because Josy is likely believing that they'll still be together and this would therefore help her (Maya) to escape her Dad more easily because they'd have the money to move far away from him after college.

Also, one of the things that DPC has left manifestly unclear is that becoming a HOT does not earn the scholarship, working as a prostitute does.

 

[Holy Bacchus]

No, as I pointed out there's no way that Josy would risk being a whore in her Father's eye's. It may still be written that way but it will be another instance of where DPC has created a character and then made them behave in a way that's diametrically opposed to the character that he's created.

Josy doesn't know what's involved in this "free tuition" offer and neither does Maya. As soon as they find out, they won't want to do it, but right now Josy is not willingly going to "be a whore" because she doesn't know that that is what getting the "free tuition" entails.

So, right now, given that she's looking at this from an idealistic standpoint, her view is likely as I have stated; that by not having to use her Dad's money she can save it for later use in helping Maya to get away from her Dad after graduation.

Also, one of the things that DPC has left manifestly unclear is that becoming a HOT does not earn the scholarship, working as a prostitute does.

But that's the point. Josy and Maya probably think they just have to do some charity work, or get jobs, or pull their weight in some way in order to earn the tuition, but there's no way in hell they would ever suspect it involves selling their bodies and they'll both be opposed to it when the time comes.

 

[Cr4nkJunky]

Is this on a DIK route or something? I didn't get that in my run, might be funny to see.

You just have to wear the dildo helmet first, then you'll get this scene instead of your hand between her tights.

 

[ename144]

I think that Maya may already be turning tricks. On the morning after Josy arrives Quinn post a cluck on Rooster. It's a picture of her and Maya that looks like a hostage photo, really creepy. The cluck announces that Maya will be doing a special Scavenger Hunt event. If you go to the comments several of the HOTs are posting encouragement for Maya, but it's only the HOTs involved in the prostitution ring. Also, near the end of ep5 we get to see Maya's scavenger Hunt todo list. There's one entry crossed off that's just $100 with no explanation.

I took that to mean Maya had to give Quinn $100. The characters already say the list feels more like a shopping list and speculate Quinn is using some of those things herself. Given her money problems, demanding a large but manageable bunch of cash seems likely.

Whereas Maya turning tricks at this point seems highly unlikely. Given how deeply bothered she was by the sexual items we know are on the list in Episode 3, it's hard to see her having done more than that already without any comment.

 

[Darkdevil66]

I'm not judging, but it doesn't matter if they don't see any problems. When someone plays with drugs and prostitution, chances in real life are that they might end burned some way or another. Very few people are able to get away with it unharmed. So I expect to see some serious consequences. There's no need to be moralists about it, just realistics. This is not a parody nor a light-hearted game, it aims for some level of realism

Is it ? Keep in mind this game is above all a porn game. I know some people are more interested in characters and story and there's nothing wrong with that, but one of the main goal is still to provide a lot of sex scenes. Quinn's restaurant is big a part of it. Porn doesn't usually expose seriously dark and gritty's aspects of prostitution's world ( In hentai prostitution, rape, drugs and mind breaking are even tags some fans actually enjoy, but that's another debate. Man, there's even a Weinstein based game here ). The way the MC handle the whole prostitution thing isn't realistic from the start.

Honestly speaking, the Pink rose is more a brothel than a strip club at this point. The ladies have sex with VIP customers. There are clearly kind of hookers but neither players or characters have issues with it. Because none of them seem depressed, defenseless or forced to perform. The MC even started a sexting relationship with a hooker mom. Same thing for Quinn's restaurant. All interactions with the MC are portrayed as completely consensual. Camila enjoyed it so much she offered him anal freely, Sarah admitted being sexually aroused, Riona was the one suggesting the threesome because she likes him much more than others customers. All of them would have fucked him anyway. They actually did later. Even Quinn has an obvious crush for him and fucked him freely. Assman is so attractive that he doesn't have to pay anymore and hookers like it.

That's a poor way to represent relations between hookers and customers. But the point is, DPCK has never intended to be realistic about it. Yeah there will be issues with Mona and Burke. But Burke is portrayed as an unsympathetic and pathetic cheater lustful for younger women. The Mc on the other hand is too gifted to be realistic in any way. So does his relation to women.

 

[Deleted member 2739658]

Josy doesn't know what's involved in this "free tuition" offer and neither does Maya. As soon as they find out, they won't want to do it, but right now Josy is not willingly going to "be a whore" because she doesn't know that that is what getting the "free tuition" entails.

So, right now, given that she's looking at this from an idealistic standpoint, her view is likely as I have stated; that by not having to use her Dad's money she can save it for later use in helping Maya to get away from her Dad after graduation.



But that's the point. Josy and Maya probably think they just have to do some charity work, or get jobs, or pull their weight in some way in order to earn the tuition, but there's no way in hell they would ever suspect it involves selling their bodies and they'll both be opposed to it when the time comes.

As I stated before, Maya DOES know what's expected of her. Watch the HOT pool party scene again. Quinn is pretty straight forward in explaining what would be required to get that scholarship. As for Josy, I don't know if she's aware of what's in store for her or not. And as I pointed out in another reply, Maya may already be prostituting herself going all the way back to ep4.

 

[Holy Bacchus]

I took that to mean Maya had to give Quinn $100. The characters already say the list feels more like a shopping list and speculate Quinn is using some of those things herself. Given her money problems, demanding a large but manageable bunch of cash seems likely.

Whereas Maya turning tricks at this point seems highly unlikely. Given how deeply bothered she was by the sexual items we know are on the list in Episode 3, it's hard to see her having done more than that already without any comment.

At the very least, this "event" Quinn mentioned could have been to flash someone or post a nude pic on the internet and sell it for $100, but it wouldn't have been anything close to glory hole duty or something that it involves direct sexual contact with another person.

 

[felicemastronzo]

I think that Maya may already be turning tricks. On the morning after Josy arrives Quinn post a cluck on Rooster. It's a picture of her and Maya that looks like a hostage photo, really creepy. The cluck announces that Maya will be doing a special Scavenger Hunt event. If you go to the comments several of the HOTs are posting encouragement for Maya, but it's only the HOTs involved in the prostitution ring. Also, near the end of ep5 we get to see Maya's scavenger Hunt todo list. There's one entry crossed off that's just $100 with no explanation.

what you say makes sense, but I hope things turn out differently.

I keep hoping that Maya will come out of this cliché of the damsel in distress to show some courage, if she falls back into such a drama I don't know how she would come out

 

[Ennoch]

I keep hoping that Maya will come out of this cliché of the damsel in distress to show some courage, if she falls back into such a drama I don't know how she would come out

I'm afraid this isn't a matter of courage, more so, its the opposite what you suggest. The courage for Maya would be to get along with the prostitution. Not becoming one doesn't require courage. Becoming one does.

Again, since the beginning of the game, its all nice and shiny that she shouldn't.. okay. Whats the alternative. She shouldn't because the mc wouldn't like it? Thats not just a tad bit selfish but massively so.

She won't be, on her route, but due to real-life reasons. Because DPC likely won't try to pull an ntr on anyone. So this is pretty much a given. We can safely assume this. BUT.. in the game, in-character wise. Its nice that the mc would hate it... Offer an alternative. Can he solve Maya's financial crisis? No? Then he should shut the fuck up and mind his own business. Yes? She will be all ears because she is desperately looking for alternatives. She just doesn't have them.

But the game won't let her become one, this is prett much a given. Its just that the solution may come from different sources. I'd say the mc can handle her Dad. By becoming Maya's boyfriend. Proving she is "returning to the fold of decent heterosexuals". CURRENTLY... this seems viable, not without issues, but viable. We'll see what the future holds.

 

[Deleted member 2739658]

I took that to mean Maya had to give Quinn $100. The characters already say the list feels more like a shopping list and speculate Quinn is using some of those things herself. Given her money problems, demanding a large but manageable bunch of cash seems likely.

Whereas Maya turning tricks at this point seems highly unlikely. Given how deeply bothered she was by the sexual items we know are on the list in Episode 3, it's hard to see her having done more than that already without any comment.

It could be, but that still doesn't explain Quinn's cluck. Go look at it, it's pretty disturbing.

 

[Holy Bacchus]

As I stated before, Maya DOES know what's expected of her. Watch the HOT pool party scene again. Quinn is pretty straight forward in explaining what would be required to get that scholarship. As for Josy, I don't know if she's aware of what's in store for her or not. And as I pointed out in another reply, Maya may already be prostituting herself going all the way back to ep4.

Maya most certainly does NOT know what she has to do for the tuition and she is absolutely NOT prostituting herself. Absolutely nothing happens during that pool scene where Maya would realise that she has to sell her body for free tuition, and there's no way she'd do anything sexually physical with anyone for money, even if Quinn tells her to. It's not in her character to do that no matter what's at stake.

what you say makes sense, but I hope things turn out differently.

I keep hoping that Maya will come out of this cliché of the damsel in distress to show some courage, if she falls back into such a drama I don't know how she would come out

It doesn't, because a) it's not in Maya's character to do that, and b) if Quinn had tried to make her to do it, we would have known about it by now, either by Maya saying it outright or by her no longer wanting to join the HOTs.

 

[felicemastronzo]

I'm afraid this isn't a matter of courage, more so, its the opposite what you suggest. The courage for Maya would be to get along with the prostitution. Not becoming one doesn't require courage. Becoming one does.

Again, since the beginning of the game, its all nice and shiny that she shouldn't.. okay. Whats the alternative. She shouldn't because the mc wouldn't like it? Thats not just a tad bit selfish but massively so.

She won't be, on her route, but due to real-life reasons. Because DPC likely won't try to pull an ntr on anyone. So this is pretty much a given. We can safely assume this. BUT.. in the game, in-character wise. Its nice that the mc would hate it... Offer an alternative. Can he solve Maya's financial crisis? No? Then he should shut the fuck up and mind his own business. Yes? She will be all ears because she is desperately looking for alternatives. She just doesn't have them.

But the game won't let her become one, this is prett much a given. Its just that the solution may come from different sources. I'd say the mc can handle her Dad. By becoming Maya's boyfriend. Proving she is "returning to the fold of decent heterosexuals". CURRENTLY... this seems viable, not without issues, but viable. We'll see what the future holds.

let's not exaggerate ...

personally I have always found childish to think of being able to face college with a free tuition of dubious origin

but the alternative is not prostitution, but ANY HONEST WORK.
even in Italy where education is quite cheap, many students work while they study.
in america i know that it is very common to ask for a student loan

to say that Maya's only way to go to college is prostitution seems like a sensational exaggeration ...
Will she become a Mafia serial killer for her doctorate?

but rather she leaves the university and lives her dream of love with Josy

 

[felicemastronzo]

Maya most certainly does NOT know what she has to do for the tuition and she is absolutely NOT prostituting herself. Absolutely nothing happens during that pool scene where Maya would realise that she has to sell her body for free tuition, and there's no way she'd do anything sexually physical with anyone for money, even if Quinn tells her to. It's not in her character to do that no matter what's at stake.



It doesn't, because a) it's not in Maya's character to do that, and b) if Quinn had tried to make her to do it, we would have known about it by now, either by Maya saying it outright or by her no longer wanting to join the HOTs.

sorry i didn't understand (my english fault)

I thought we were talking about Maya's future involvement in prostitution, not as it already has


in that I agree with Holy Bacchus, I would absolutely exclude it

 

[Ennoch]

but the alternative is not prostitution, but ANY HONEST WORK.

Absolutely agree. But we aren't writing the script here we just have to deal whats given to us. Apparently its either we solve this for her or HOTs. We are not given the option to tell her to accept part time jobs. Currently.

even in Italy where education is quite cheap, many students work while they study.
in america i know that it is very common to ask for a student loan
to say that Maya's only way to go to college is prostitution seems like a sensational exaggeration ...
Will she become a Mafia serial killer for her doctorate?

Don't tell me, tell DPC. I made a joke on this once. I know. But we have to deal with the game's reality. Not actual reality.

 

[moskyx]

Is it ? Keep in mind this game is above all a porn game. I know some people are more interested in characters and story and there's nothing wrong with that, but one of the main goal is still to provide a lot of sex scenes. Quinn's restaurant is big a part of it. Porn doesn't usually expose seriously dark and gritty's aspects of prostitution's world ( In hentai prostitution, rape, drugs and mind breaking are even tags some fans actually enjoy, but that's another debate. Man, there's even a Weinstein based game here ). The way the MC handle the whole prostitution thing isn't realistic from the start.

Honestly speaking, the Pink rose is more a brothel than a strip club at this point. The ladies have sex with VIP customers. There are clearly kind of hookers but neither players or characters have issues with it. Because none of them seem depressed, defenseless or forced to perform. The MC even started a sexting relationship with a hooker mom. Same thing for Quinn's restaurant. All interactions with the MC are portrayed as completely consensual. Camila enjoyed it so much she offered him anal freely, Sarah admitted being sexually aroused, Riona was the one suggesting the threesome because she likes him much more than others customers. All of them would have fucked him anyway. They actually did later. Even Quinn has an obvious crush for him and fucked him freely. Assman is so attractive that he doesn't have to pay anymore and hookers like it.

That's a poor way to represent relations between hookers and customers. But the point is, DPCK has never intended to be realistic about it. Yeah there will be issues with Mona and Burke. But Burke is portrayed as an unsympathetic and pathetic cheater lustful for younger women. The Mc on the other hand is too gifted to be realistic in any way. So does his relation to women.

Ok with all of that, except this is not a porn game above all. DPC doesn't make porn games. This is an adult VN with sex, of course, but not a porn game. So porn logic doesn't (shouldn't) apply. If he throw a prostitution scheme in the plot it's not because that's an easy way to have several sex scenes from the start, there must be a deeper reason for it and it's reasonable to think it would lead to some drama related to it. We'll see if it's just for Maya or for other girls too.

Honestly, MC's approach to prostitution is quite common nowadays. Many people think of it as something fun and even harmless (young guys especially, maybe misguided by porn). It is not, most of times. Sure the sexual acts in game seem and feel consensual (Patreon and Steam might have some issues otherwise) and obviously all the girls would love to do it with the almighty MC for free. But the story is heading to a point where we could witness some serious stuff regarding some of the 'willing' whores. As I said before, I even would be disappointed if that's not the case. Not because I have any interest in watching that kind of material, but because I think it would fit DPC's style perfectly fine.

 

[Deleted member 2739658]

At the very least, this "event" Quinn mentioned could have been to flash someone or post a nude pic on the internet and sell it for $100, but it wouldn't have been anything close to glory hole duty or something that it involves direct sexual contact with another person.

I think you're hopelessly naive.

 

[felicemastronzo]

Absolutely agree. But we aren't writing the script here we just have to deal whats given to us. Apparently its either we solve this for her or HOTs. We are not given the option to tell her to accept part time jobs. Currently.

Don't tell me, tell DPC. I made a joke on this once. I know. But we have to deal with the game's reality. Not actual reality.

put emoticons on when you joke that I don't understand ...

the free tuition was the easy solution (and childish for me), if it were to skip I expect Maya to look for a different one, not to accept whatever Quinn offers her, the evil Quinn...

and again: Maya alone could really fall for it, but luckily she isn't

 

[Deleted member 2739658]

I'm afraid this isn't a matter of courage, more so, its the opposite what you suggest. The courage for Maya would be to get along with the prostitution. Not becoming one doesn't require courage. Becoming one does.

Again, since the beginning of the game, its all nice and shiny that she shouldn't.. okay. Whats the alternative. She shouldn't because the mc wouldn't like it? Thats not just a tad bit selfish but massively so.

She won't be, on her route, but due to real-life reasons. Because DPC likely won't try to pull an ntr on anyone. So this is pretty much a given. We can safely assume this. BUT.. in the game, in-character wise. Its nice that the mc would hate it... Offer an alternative. Can he solve Maya's financial crisis? No? Then he should shut the fuck up and mind his own business. Yes? She will be all ears because she is desperately looking for alternatives. She just doesn't have them.

But the game won't let her become one, this is prett much a given. Its just that the solution may come from different sources. I'd say the mc can handle her Dad. By becoming Maya's boyfriend. Proving she is "returning to the fold of decent heterosexuals". CURRENTLY... this seems viable, not without issues, but viable. We'll see what the future holds.

You don't understand the psychology of prostitution. It has nothing to do with courage, prostitutes turning tricks for pimps don't do it as a matter of choice, they do it through manipulation and coercion.

 

[Holy Bacchus]

I'm afraid this isn't a matter of courage, more so, its the opposite what you suggest. The courage for Maya would be to get along with the prostitution. Not becoming one doesn't require courage. Becoming one does.

Again, since the beginning of the game, its all nice and shiny that she shouldn't.. okay. Whats the alternative. She shouldn't because the mc wouldn't like it? Thats not just a tad bit selfish but massively so.

Very much disagree with that assessment.

Maya is currently in a tricky spot where she doesn't have the tuition support of her Dad, but for her to give in to that pressure and whore herself out for the HOT tuition would be weakness, not courage. It would be far more courageous for her to reject what the HOTs are offering because she would be taking both a moral and principled stance by not selling herself out. She can still take out a student loan, and she's even aware that that's something she might have to think about, and that too would be a more courageous act because she'd be taking on a lot of risk and responsibility herself, knowing full well how hard it can be to pay those back. But she'd do it because she has to and it would be the courage of her convictions that will not allow her to whore herself out just for a "free ride".

She won't be, on her route, but due to real-life reasons. Because DPC likely won't try to pull an ntr on anyone. So this is pretty much a given. We can safely assume this. BUT.. in the game, in-character wise. Its nice that the mc would hate it... Offer an alternative. Can he solve Maya's financial crisis? No? Then he should shut the fuck up and mind his own business. Yes? She will be all ears because she is desperately looking for alternatives. She just doesn't have them.

But the game won't let her become one, this is prett much a given. Its just that the solution may come from different sources. I'd say the mc can handle her Dad. By becoming Maya's boyfriend. Proving she is "returning to the fold of decent heterosexuals". CURRENTLY... this seems viable, not without issues, but viable. We'll see what the future holds.

I agree she won't got down that road, but I think the solution could be with the MC's mysterious letter. The theory that he'll be given some kind of endowment or inheritance from his rich family could come in to play here because maybe the MC will have the choice to offer to pay Maya's tuition or not.

I think you're hopelessly naive.

And I think you're reading things wrong.