VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[Deleted member 2739658]

OK, I've said my piece on this topic. I stand by every assertion I've made.

Maya DOES know what's expected of her. There's no way anyone can doubt that after watching the pool scene.

Quinn isn't just rough around the edge's she's a vicious, evil, bitch.

The fact that Maya won't get a job to earn her way through college is a point that's bothered me from the beginning of the game. It's either a contrived plot point or it's an indication of Maya's personality. I will note that during the camping scene Maya admits that she's never had a job.

Discuss away, I'm going to work.

 

[felicemastronzo]

I agree she won't got down that road, but I think the solution could be with the MC's mysterious letter. The theory that he'll be given some kind of endowment or inheritance from his rich family could come in to play here because maybe the MC will have the choice to offer to pay Maya's tuition or not.

I do not like the solution that it is Mc to pay the tuition with his "inheritance".
Maya has already shown a submissive character, but such a debt would be a huge burden in any relationship.

Maya must cope with her own strength, naturally with the support of those close to her

 

[Ennoch]

The fact that Maya won't get a job to earn her way through college is a point that's bothered me from the beginning of the game. It's either a contrived plot point or it's an indication of Maya's personality. I will note that during the camping scene Maya admits that she's never had a job.

Of course its the plot. It was always the plot. Thats what i'm saying all the time when this issue comes up. This is the story's drama variant for her. Everyone knows she could do part time jobs. But that would be super boring. An escape of a situation the storyteller ment for suspense. Plus, lets not forget, that wouldn't require our hero's interevention.

Sure, it can be presented that we will talk her into accepting a job.. yeah that can work. But obviously we are not yet given any such option. Its just nonsense saying what she should do... what if i never wanted to join this DIK bunch? Its not up to me. The plot makes me. Maya's issues are not resolved in a nice, conventinal fashion. Plot.

 

[Rinbael]

I do not like the solution that it is Mc to pay the tuition with his "inheritance".
Maya has already shown a submissive character, but such a debt would be a huge burden in any relationship.

Maya must cope with her own strength, naturally with the support of those close to her

I agree with you. I think Maya dealing with her situation on her own with the help of Josy, Derek and possibly the MC would be a much better way to develop her character rather than becoming a hooker or having the MC pay her tuition with his magic "inheritance".
The main reason why I don't really like Maya is because she is so submissive and reliant on other people and her becoming more independent and standing up for herself is a much better evolution of her character in my opinion. Though some people might prefer her being a damsel in distress needing to be saved.

 

[moskyx]

He's made one game. No basis for factually saying what he does and doesn't do. 5 games in the future? Sure, you can state what he does and doesn't do with sosme manner of accuracy and fact. It's a porn game, with more serious matters and better writing (than most). But don't be confused with what it is and isn't.

Yeah, it's his second game. In his first we have domestic abuse, cancer, a psycho, some hints of drug trafficking and police corruption, and the psychological trauma of a hurting loss. In his second we have a prostitution and drug-dealing scheme going on, plus all the family drama from Josy, Maya and even MC's families, not to mention Bella, Jade and the rest. And above all, we have that warning from the author telling us this is not *just* a porn game and it's not recommended for people who are in a dark moment of their lives (he could have easily avoided this disclaimer at all or make another one swearing he won't do it again, but he made this one). It's obvious he wants to tell a story that goes way beyond the sexy bits, a story about what family is, and it seem the hurdles we'll have to overcome might be serious and maybe dramatic. So I think I'm not risking a lot when I say what I'm saying

 

[felicemastronzo]

Of course its the plot. It was always the plot. Thats what i'm saying all the time when this issue comes up. This is the story's drama variant for her. Everyone knows she could do part time jobs. But that would be super boring. An escape of a situation the storyteller ment for suspense. Plus, lets not forget, that wouldn't require our hero's interevention.

Sure, it can be presented that we will talk her into accepting a job.. yeah that can work. But obviously we are not yet given any such option. Its just nonsense saying what she should do... what if i never wanted to join this DIK bunch? Its not up to me. The plot makes me. Maya's issues are not resolved in a nice, conventinal fashion. Plot.

they are two different speeches though.

the plot for now has led Maya to try to get the free tuition, it's not incredible, even Josy who would have the money does.
until to get it you have to play goliardic or sexual jokes why not?
when the perspective will change we don't know what the plot will predict (I know but I don't tell you)

that a girl who in two dates has not been able to manage a penis (majestic but still one) can serenely embrace prostitution is not credible.

in the same way that if tomorrow we find out that Jill has a penis and Bella a collection of skulls in the locked room will be a plot, but a plot bullshit

 

[xsssssssss]

I agree with you. I think Maya dealing with her situation on her own with the help of Josy, Derek and possibly the MC would be a much better way to develop her character rather than becoming a hooker or having the MC pay her tuition with his magic "inheritance".
The main reason why I don't really like Maya is because she is so submissive and reliant on other people and her becoming more independent and standing up for herself is a much better evolution of her character in my opinion. Though some people might prefer her being a damsel in distress needing to be saved.

I'd prefer different outcomes for Maya (towards end) depending on choices made. If one of those is Maya remaining submissive(damsel saved), versus another where she faces tough choices herself and has to find a new more realistic path, rather than hoping for a magic no strings free tuition option or someone to save her.

 

[Kuraii]

I'd prefer different outcomes for Maya (towards end) depending on choices made. If one of those is Maya remaining submissive(damsel saved), versus another where she faces tough choices herself and has to find a new more realistic path, rather than hoping for a magic no strings free tuition option or someone to save her.

I agree with the second option.

I really like Maya, but I'm not going to deny that an independent character evolution is what is needed. Yes, with the help of Josy and / or the MC, but as those who advise her, not as those who decide to directly solve the problem if she is unable to do so.

 

[Holy Bacchus]

OK, I've said my piece on this topic. I stand by every assertion I've made.

Maya DOES know what's expected of her. There's no way anyone can doubt that after watching the pool scene.

Quinn isn't just rough around the edge's she's a vicious, evil, bitch.

The fact that Maya won't get a job to earn her way through college is a point that's bothered me from the beginning of the game. It's either a contrived plot point or it's an indication of Maya's personality. I will note that during the camping scene Maya admits that she's never had a job.

Discuss away, I'm going to work.

I would encourage you to go back and replay the pool scene because there isn't a single line where it's explicitly stated that Maya and Mona, who mentions the free tuition as well, will have to whore themselves out for it. All we have is Quinn's suggestive line about "loose hips, get tips", but that's hardly a definitive confirmation of what they have to do and can easily be interpreted as Quinn just being Quinn.

In fact, I'll save you the hassle.



So please, do point out where Maya was definitively told she'd have to whore herself out to get the tuition.

I do not like the solution that it is Mc to pay the tuition with his "inheritance".
Maya has already shown a submissive character, but such a debt would be a huge burden in any relationship.

Maya must cope with her own strength, naturally with the support of those close to her

He could offer it, but she doesn't necessarily have to accept if she's determined to stand on her own 2 feet, but it could come with a variable flag like "MC_offer_Maya_tuition = True/False", and it could be something that is recalled later.

 

[Ennoch]

that a girl who in two dates has not been able to manage a penis (majestic but still one) can serenely embrace prostitution is not credible.

in the same way that if tomorrow we find out that Jill has a penis and Bella a collection of skulls in the locked room will be a plot, but a plot bullshit

Didn't you just tell me not to exaggerate and now you are doing it.. twice in fact? Thats unfair I wanna exaggerate too!!

 

[felicemastronzo]

Didn't you just tell me not to exaggerate and now you are doing it.. twice in fact? Thats unfair I wanna exaggerate too!!

I use emoticons, and then I can use the excuse that it is my English's fault.

you just exaggerate

 

[AchedCroissant]

Hey I have a question anyone remenber Troy?


And when you choice stay with Sage in EP 4


In the morning when the girls go to the kitchen and Riona says if you have a problem with Troy?


Well i was thincking if he is her brother but I remembered that one morning he woke up the MC because he have a girl to fuck

 

[Wizard_Shiryuu]

That's not a plot hole, that's bad writing. DPC is presenting us an option (tell her EVERYTHING what you know) but then the dialog doesn't match the option given because the natural outcome of it would ruin his planned plot. So the problem lies in the way he presents that option and that's completely a writing issue which results in me hating and feeling disconnected from my MC who's not responding the way I've chosen for him to response. And this is just one of the several times this happens (probably the most blatant one, though, but all of them keep adding up to the point I just can't take my MC seriously, and all the intended drama becomes an awkward comedy).

Regarding Sage, I already said that MC might think she knows it so there's no point on telling her. That's a logical assumption I would understand. From a playing perspective, would it be fair and natural to have an option to tell her anyway? Sure, but here DPC never gives us that option so we just go with the flow and don't give it too much thought. So in terms of immersion this doesn't effect me as much as Maya's convo: I'm never allowed to tell Sage and, even if I think that option should be there, I can see a reason why my MC wouldn't feel the need to tell her. And this helps DPC to keep the story going to the conflict point he's planned. That's OK. But that Maya scene is terrible for players who choose to tell her. Even if in the future this mild warning helps Maya to step out of problems, what we were thinking was to avoid those problems completely by telling her now all the truth behind Quinn's offer. And we were thinking that only because DPC used the word EVERYTHING wrote "tell her what you know". He could have used other words, he could have made Maya totally dismiss our warning. Instead, he chose to make our MC absolutely uncapable of doing what the player was induced to think he would do.

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Edited for precission thanks to crabsinthekitchen

 

[Ennoch]

I love that series Armor for female adventurer?

 

[Darkdevil66]

Hey I have a question anyone remenber Troy?


And when you choice stay with Sage in EP 4


In the morning when the girls go to the kitchen and Riona says if you have a problem with Troy?


Well i was thincking if he is her brother but I remembered that one morning he woke up the MC because he have a girl to fuck

She was simply present when MC was explaining his problem with Troy and the Alpha.



So there is no particular connection hinted. She just asks if he still has beef with Troy.

 

[AchedCroissant]

She was simply present when MC was explaining his problem with Troy and the Alpha.

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So there is no particular connection hinted. She just asks if he still has beef with Troy.

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LOL I really have bad memories

 

[N7]

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This week I've been working on many different things. I spent two days posing animations and mastering my new workflow. All I can say is that it's working just as I had hoped for.

It's both faster to pose animations while making the movement more natural. I managed to pose 29 animations in two days, which is a new record for me.

I've been posing more static renders as well and writing code.

I revamped the Rewards/Scenes apps, which was needed now that more girls will be added as special renders. Here is a sneak peek of the Rewards app.

There's now a notification when you unlock a special render so you know which girl it was unlocked for.

I spent some time writing a checklist of what I need to do before the episode is complete.

The list is extensive. There's no other way to put it. Not that it says a lot to you, but I have approximately 160 bullet points of activities I need to do before the episode is complete.

One bullet point can be equal to writing/posing a scene or adding a feature to a scene and more. Some tasks are faster to complete than others and the list will likely change a bit as development progresses. But I have a better grasp of the scope of the episode now.

I will continue working as hard as possible on this checklist and report the progress weekly as usual.

Next week I'm going to let my PCs render while I will be focusing on writing code and dialogue.

Have a nice weekend

Dr PinkCake

 

[Holy Bacchus]

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This week I've been working on many different things. I spent two days posing animations and mastering my new workflow. All I can say is that it's working just as I had hoped for.

It's both faster to pose animations while making the movement more natural. I managed to pose 29 animations in two days, which is a new record for me.

I've been posing more static renders as well and writing code.

I revamped the Rewards/Scenes apps, which was needed now that more girls will be added as special renders. Here is a sneak peek of the Rewards app.

There's now a notification when you unlock a special render so you know which girl it was unlocked for.

I spent some time writing a checklist of what I need to do before the episode is complete.

The list is extensive. There's no other way to put it. Not that it says a lot to you, but I have approximately 160 bullet points of activities I need to do before the episode is complete.

One bullet point can be equal to writing/posing a scene or adding a feature to a scene and more. Some tasks are faster to complete than others and the list will likely change a bit as development progresses. But I have a better grasp of the scope of the episode now.

I will continue working as hard as possible on this checklist and report the progress weekly as usual.

Next week I'm going to let my PCs render while I will be focusing on writing code and dialogue.

Have a nice weekend

Dr PinkCake

Nice. The new Special Render menu is looking great and there's space for at least 4 more girls. If I remember correctly, Lily, Sally, and I think Sarah were among the contenders alongside Envy to start getting Special Render sets, so they could fit in that new screen if they were to get them later. (Does anybody still have that image from the "Other girls" poll in June that showed these girls off?)

No new render count, but the 29 new animations bring the total count to 103 so far, and given how much they seem to have left to do, I suspect we'll see that number get even bigger.

Also nice to see the notification icon on the character you have new renders for as it was it was a bit unclear before. I suspect this means the whole game changes and that new players starting from ep 1 will now see this menu and not the previous one, and that the eventual Season 2 Steam release will change it too.

 

[Cokebaths]

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This week I've been working on many different things. I spent two days posing animations and mastering my new workflow. All I can say is that it's working just as I had hoped for.

It's both faster to pose animations while making the movement more natural. I managed to pose 29 animations in two days, which is a new record for me.

I've been posing more static renders as well and writing code.

I revamped the Rewards/Scenes apps, which was needed now that more girls will be added as special renders. Here is a sneak peek of the Rewards app.

There's now a notification when you unlock a special render so you know which girl it was unlocked for.

I spent some time writing a checklist of what I need to do before the episode is complete.

The list is extensive. There's no other way to put it. Not that it says a lot to you, but I have approximately 160 bullet points of activities I need to do before the episode is complete.

One bullet point can be equal to writing/posing a scene or adding a feature to a scene and more. Some tasks are faster to complete than others and the list will likely change a bit as development progresses. But I have a better grasp of the scope of the episode now.

I will continue working as hard as possible on this checklist and report the progress weekly as usual.

Next week I'm going to let my PCs render while I will be focusing on writing code and dialogue.

Have a nice weekend

Dr PinkCake

160 bullet points is not reassuring but ofc I'm not a dev so I don't know what that says in terms of a time frame. The new rewards app looks pretty damn good and finally we get notifications after unlocking a new render. The amount of animations we know of so far sounds promising. Wonder what scenes and characters those will be used on

 

[AchedCroissant]

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This week I've been working on many different things. I spent two days posing animations and mastering my new workflow. All I can say is that it's working just as I had hoped for.

It's both faster to pose animations while making the movement more natural. I managed to pose 29 animations in two days, which is a new record for me.

I've been posing more static renders as well and writing code.

I revamped the Rewards/Scenes apps, which was needed now that more girls will be added as special renders. Here is a sneak peek of the Rewards app.

There's now a notification when you unlock a special render so you know which girl it was unlocked for.

I spent some time writing a checklist of what I need to do before the episode is complete.

The list is extensive. There's no other way to put it. Not that it says a lot to you, but I have approximately 160 bullet points of activities I need to do before the episode is complete.

One bullet point can be equal to writing/posing a scene or adding a feature to a scene and more. Some tasks are faster to complete than others and the list will likely change a bit as development progresses. But I have a better grasp of the scope of the episode now.

I will continue working as hard as possible on this checklist and report the progress weekly as usual.

Next week I'm going to let my PCs render while I will be focusing on writing code and dialogue.

Have a nice weekend

Dr PinkCake

I need Envy route that son's needs a papa