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The revelation of who his Mom was and what Neil actually knew but didn't tell him. But that won't happen until ep 7 because you just know that the MC opening the letter is going to be a cliffhanger ending. ;)
I fully expect that to be the case except we might actually get to read it before it fades to black. Otherwise it's like if EP3 ended with just MC's inner monologue on doors but Josy only walked in at the start of EP4. :D
 

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Is There any android Port of this game, or maybe planned to do it?
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I fully expect that to be the case except we might actually get to read it before it fades to black. Otherwise it's like if EP3 ended with just MC's inner monologue on doors but Josy only walked in at the start of EP4. :D
If he reads it, we won't see it. It'll probably just be a series "...", followed by a shocked expression on his face as he says, "What the fuck!", and then the episode ends. :ROFLMAO:

Ep 7 then opens with a flashback of his Mom and Neil back when they got together to essentially explain the contents of the letter, or at least the shock reveal part of it. *cough* Burgmeister *cough*
 

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The revelation of who his Mom was and what Neil actually knew but didn't tell him. But that won't happen until ep 7 because you just know that the MC opening the letter is going to be a cliffhanger ending. ;)
Don't know about the first part but I do agree with the letters content being the cliffhanger for this upcoming episode seeing the episode will cover MC's birthday.
 
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If he reads it, we won't see it. It'll probably just be a series "...", followed by a shocked expression on his face as he says, "What the fuck!", and then the episode ends. :ROFLMAO:

Ep 7 then opens with a flashback of his Mom and Neil back when they got together to essentially explain the contents of the letter, or at least the shock reveal part of it. *cough* Burgmeister *cough*
Definitely possible but wouldn't you be at least a little disappointed if DPC's writing became that predictable? I'm still hoping he'll outsmart all of us and makes everyone go "Of course! How did I not see this coming?" by the end of it, even if it's somewhat unlikely.
 

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Definitely possible but wouldn't you be at least a little disappointed if DPC's writing became that predictable? I'm still hoping he'll outsmart all of us and makes everyone go "Of course! How did I not see this coming?" by the end of it, even if it's somewhat unlikely.
Nah, predictability can be fun. That moment when something happens that you saw coming and you go, "Hah! I knew it!", can be quite enjoyable. :giggle:

If he does something different and it works, that'll be fine too and I could see a few ways where the episode could end even before he goes home and gets the letter, but ending on that note just seems right because it's a tried and true way to tease your audience in the most agonising and effective way, especially when we know how many months it will be before we find out the contents of the letter.
 
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Nah, predictability can be fun. That moment when something happens that you saw coming and you go, "Hah! I knew it!", can be quite enjoyable. :giggle:

If he does something different and it works, that'll be fine too and I could see a few ways where the episode could end even before he goes home and gets the letter, but ending on that note just seems right because it's a tried and true way to tease your audience in the most agonising and effective way, especially when we know how many months it will be before we find out the contents of the letter.
I get that, and it's not like I don't enjoy and take pride in predicting something in the story before it actually happens. It's just that when I look back on all the games/movies/etc I've enjoyed, the ones that stick out as the best experiences aren't examples of me grinning ear to ear because I anticipated a turn of events I wasn't supposed to, but those rare moments when the credits start rolling and I still haven't been able to collect my jaw from the floor because of something that came completely out of left field.

I might be expecting a little too much from an adult VN, though. It's not like DPC can provide an "ending of The Sixth Sense" level of twist with every episode. As long as things don't feel forced and make sense in the context of the story I'll probably be happy with it.
 

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I get that, and it's not like I don't enjoy and take pride in predicting something in the story before it actually happens. It's just that when I look back on all the games/movies/etc I've enjoyed, the ones that stick out as the best experiences aren't examples of me grinning ear to ear because I anticipated a turn of events I wasn't supposed to, but those rare moments when the credits start rolling and I still haven't been able to collect my jaw from the floor because of something that came completely out of left field.

I might be expecting a little too much from an adult VN, though. It's not like DPC can provide an "ending of The Sixth Sense" level of twist with every episode. As long as things don't feel forced and make sense in the context of the story I'll probably be happy with it.
Hmm, Yeah I do believe you have a little bit of unrealistic expectation, and not because this a visual novel, its not really different than a book, and books can be surprising to, but because it is not a good comperation

think of it as like a tv show, and when people watching these shows, they make so many prediction , that eventually some of them are gonna be real. this does not take away anything from the story, they are just smart enough to understand the plot and figuring out the possible outcomes, or they are just lucky with some of their crazy theories :ROFLMAO: . the point is it is not the writing fault.

and in Badik, we do make theories, so many that i feel like if some of them won'T be real, peoples may find that to be upsetting for them. I' mean, if Chad's secret, is something else than him being gay , some people might be even upset, or goes as far, saying, that would been better, instead of what we get.
and this would not be DPC fault.
the same can be said about the letter thing.

I'm at the point where very few thing can surprise me, :). and you I don't expect to be surprised, so it will be a nice surprise if I'm surprised. :ROFLMAO:
 

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Of course, and don't get me started on Derek being the grand-son of the MC while Maya being the grand-mother, that met through time and space to make sure that the space-time continuum is preserved .

People actually hacked into DPC to retrieve the script, i read it myself and i'm a 100% worthy of trust .
Maybe 99%...


Nah, predictability can be fun. That moment when something happens that you saw coming and you go, "Hah! I knew it!", can be quite enjoyable. :giggle:

If he does something different and it works, that'll be fine too and I could see a few ways where the episode could end even before he goes home and gets the letter, but ending on that note just seems right because it's a tried and true way to tease your audience in the most agonising and effective way, especially when we know how many months it will be before we find out the contents of the letter.
I feel that trying to make everything a shocking twist winds up undercutting the impact twists should have. But the letter has been specifically singled out as an upcoming plot point, and the fact there are missing details in the story of the MC's mother has been foreshadowed from Day 1. So it does seem like a proper candidate for a big, dramatic reveal.

That said, I don't think the mere fact the MC would be shocked by contents of the letter would be an effective cliffhanger. We would need some sort of context for what had shocked him. Otherwise it will just come across as a cheap tease. It's possible we could be given context by something else (say, a Burgmeister crest on the letter, or Neil telling the MC that it's time he told the MC who his mother really was).

But I think the best way to sell the impact of something like that would be for the MC to read the letter himself, reveal the TWIST(tm), and then cut to Punk Rock Flu. That way the start of Episode 7 wouldn't have to waste time with exposition, it can sum it up during the 'Previously On' montage and get straight to the relevant reaction from the MC. Plus, that way the opening flashback could give us additional details on the events without rendering the eventual explanation to the MC redundant.

IMHO that was one of the problems in Episode 5. The DIK flashback made it obvious the MC and Derek had aced Hell Week, so having to watch them wait through judgement was less an example of dramatic irony and more a like waiting for characters to catch up with the audience.
 

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But I think the best way to sell the impact of something like that would be for the MC to read the letter himself, reveal the TWIST(tm), and then cut to Punk Rock Flu. That way the start of Episode 7 wouldn't have to waste time with exposition, it can sum it up during the 'Previously On' montage and get straight to the relevant reaction from the MC. Plus, that way the opening flashback could give us additional details on the events without rendering the eventual explanation to the MC redundant.

IMHO that was one of the problems in Episode 5. The DIK flashback made it obvious the MC and Derek had aced Hell Week, so having to watch them wait through judgement was less an example of dramatic irony and more a like waiting for characters to catch up with the audience.
Spot on could not agree more.
 

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I feel that trying to make everything a shocking twist winds up undercutting the impact twists should have. But the letter has been specifically singled out as an upcoming plot point, and the fact there are missing details in the story of the MC's mother has been foreshadowed from Day 1. So it does seem like a proper candidate for a big, dramatic reveal.

That said, I don't think the mere fact the MC would be shocked by contents of the letter would be an effective cliffhanger. We would need some sort of context for what had shocked him. Otherwise it will just come across as a cheap tease. It's possible we could be given context by something else (say, a Burgmeister crest on the letter, or Neil telling the MC that it's time he told the MC who his mother really was).

But I think the best way to sell the impact of something like that would be for the MC to read the letter himself, reveal the TWIST(tm), and then cut to Punk Rock Flu. That way the start of Episode 7 wouldn't have to waste time with exposition, it can sum it up during the 'Previously On' montage and get straight to the relevant reaction from the MC. Plus, that way the opening flashback could give us additional details on the events without rendering the eventual explanation to the MC redundant.

IMHO that was one of the problems in Episode 5. The DIK flashback made it obvious the MC and Derek had aced Hell Week, so having to watch them wait through judgement was less an example of dramatic irony and more a like waiting for characters to catch up with the audience.
I agree almost everything except the last part. :). I don't think the flashback spoiled the outcome of hell week. We all knew they would be accepted, not being accepted would not make any sense. The flashback meaning was more than that. it is more in line with the end of the episode. or at least that how I see it. :)

"waiting for characters to catch up with the audience. " this part is true however, also, this can be said about any other thing, because we the audience have knowledge about stuff that the characters do not have. so they will always have to keep up, how they will react is where the flexibility and surprise can happen. I think :)
 
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I feel that trying to make everything a shocking twist winds up undercutting the impact twists should have. But the letter has been specifically singled out as an upcoming plot point, and the fact there are missing details in the story of the MC's mother has been foreshadowed from Day 1. So it does seem like a proper candidate for a big, dramatic reveal.

That said, I don't think the mere fact the MC would be shocked by contents of the letter would be an effective cliffhanger. We would need some sort of context for what had shocked him. Otherwise it will just come across as a cheap tease. It's possible we could be given context by something else (say, a Burgmeister crest on the letter, or Neil telling the MC that it's time he told the MC who his mother really was).

But I think the best way to sell the impact of something like that would be for the MC to read the letter himself, reveal the TWIST(tm), and then cut to Punk Rock Flu. That way the start of Episode 7 wouldn't have to waste time with exposition, it can sum it up during the 'Previously On' montage and get straight to the relevant reaction from the MC. Plus, that way the opening flashback could give us additional details on the events without rendering the eventual explanation to the MC redundant.

IMHO that was one of the problems in Episode 5. The DIK flashback made it obvious the MC and Derek had aced Hell Week, so having to watch them wait through judgement was less an example of dramatic irony and more a like waiting for characters to catch up with the audience.
I certainly agree about not making everything a shock twist and it's why I think some things could be a bit more predictable than others, like how ep 6 might end. It might seem like a "cheap tease", but it's effective, and I personally don't mind when this sort of thing happens even if I do groan about it when it does. You want to keep your audience, fans, players, etc, salivating for more and making them stew over something huge that ends the episode and leaves them in suspense does just that.

The thing about the DIK flashback is that it was exposition that kind of undercuts what happens next because there didn't really seem to be much context around why this was important to see. It wasn't like the M&J flashback which was at least an expositional follow-on from the ep 3 reveal, and it wasn't as if Tommy was giving some speech about the founding of the DIKs during the evaluation either, it was just there for the sake of being there. It may serve a purpose later, but it did undercut the expected seriousness of the Hell Week evaluation to find out that it didn't really matter.

However, if ep 6 were to end on the letter reveal as the cliffhanger and have a flashback at the start of ep 7 to reveal some details of it, it could work better by then cutting to Neil who it's revealed would be telling a more detailed story about the MC's Mom and how she and him got together. It would then be in a conversation with Neil that we find out what the other contents of the letter are (inheritance, an invite to meet with his grandparents, etc), and that, for me, would work quite well if that were the case.

as for the "ending of The Sixth Sense" meh, you look back, and you are like, yeah it's so obvious :LOL:
The ending of Inception, now that is an ending.:cool:
Sixth Sense was easy. I had that figured out halfway through the movie, and I watched it when the "twist ending" was a well-known thing even though I didn't know it when I saw it the first time.

Chrisopher Nolan movies are generally more about confusing the audience than they are about having shocking twists and that's how Inception feels; confusing.
 
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as for the "ending of The Sixth Sense" meh, you look back, and you are like, yeah it's so obvious :LOL:
The ending of Inception, now that is an ending.:cool:
Hmm, Yeah I do believe you have a little bit of unrealistic expectation, and not because this a visual novel, its not really different than a book, and books can be surprising to, but because it is not a good comperation

think of it as like a tv show, and when people watching these shows, they make so many prediction , that eventually some of them are gonna be real. this does not take away anything from the story, they are just smart enough to understand the plot and figuring out the possible outcomes, or they are just lucky with some of their crazy theories :ROFLMAO: . the point is it is not the writing fault.

and in Badik, we do make theories, so many that i feel like if some of them won'T be real, peoples may find that to be upsetting for them. I' mean, if Chad's secret, is something else than him being gay , some people might be even upset, or goes as far, saying, that would been better, instead of what we get.
and this would not be DPC fault.
the same can be said about the letter thing.

I'm at the point where very few thing can surprise me, :). and you I don't expect to be surprised, so it will be a nice surprise if I'm surprised. :ROFLMAO:
The ending twist of The Sixth Sense (or any movie that has one for that matter) would be rather weak if you looked back at the rest of the story and couldn't find clues that hinted at it, that's kind of the point. Otherwise it's just something the writer pulled out of their ass last minute because they couldn't come up with a fitting closure. But Inception's ending is superb too, no arguments there.;)

As for the original topic, the reason I have faith in DPC coming up with something other than what we think we've figured out is because he has snuck in a few good ones already. Assuming he's out of creative and unexpected ideas would be an insult on my part. Like I said, I won't be upset if that whole "letter from mom" plot line ends up exactly as Bacchus predicted it, but I also won't stop hoping for something fresh until it actually happens.
 

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as for the "ending of The Sixth Sense" meh, you look back, and you are like, yeah it's so obvious :LOL:
The ending of Inception, now that is an ending.:cool:
I hate that that's everyone's gold standard for twist ending and it's far from the best. The gold standard should be either the usual suspects or fight club.
 

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I agree almost everything except the last part. :). I don't think the flashback spoiled the outcome of hell week. We all knew they would be accepted, not being accepted would not make any sense. The flashback meaning was more than that. it is more in line with the end of the episode. or at least that how I see it. :)

"waiting for characters to catch up with the audience. " this part is true however, also, this can be said about any other thing, because we the audience have knowledge about stuff that the characters do not have. so they will always have to keep up, how they will react is where the flexibility and surprise can happen. I think :)
Having the audience know more than the characters isn't necessarily a problem, especially if you use it to build suspense. Alfred Hitchcock practically built his career out of making the audience beg for a character to notice something.

And I don't think the flashback ruined the Hell Week review. I just think it made the review fall flatter than it needed to because we had already seen all the events and we knew the final verdict. The only tension was whether the MC or Derek would win, and I suspect for most playthroughs even that was pretty foregone.
 
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