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I would've never thought to see so many wonderful members of society with such high moral standards on an adult games pirate site, but here we are. Speaking of choices, unless we see Quinn directly blackmailing or holding a gun to their heads, you could say that they have made their choices to follow her orders. They could blow Quinn's cover but they haven't. Perhaps over the next few episodes well get to that, but until then, I'd say their choices have been far worse than Quinn's.
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How dare you tier Bella in the E tier... 
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We've had five episodes and Quinn has featured prominently in all of them. We've seen plenty of her, both as the MC and in cut-scenes. That's more than enough to start judging her.
And my judgement is exactly what I said: she's a selfish schemer who abuses the trust of those around her and pisses people off as a hobby.
Even if we eventually learn she really is trying to help the HOTs with her schemes, that won't nullify the way she's gone about it. She tazes the MC for no reason. If the MC throws the CUM-petition to avoid being raped, she shoves the condom down his throat. When Riona points out the flaws in Quinn's plan, Quinn slaps her, then offers Riona as the bait to get money from the MC (assuming he's a customer). When Sage puts her personal feelings aside to set up the party with the preps, Quinn tries to guilt-trip Sage into humiliating herself even even further. She lied about getting money from the jocks - to say nothing of subsequently cheating them out of what they bought. When Tommy is pissed because Quinn couldn't be bothered to admit the HOTs were ditching, she immediately threw Riona under the bus.
How is that not enough of a track record to judge Quinn on? The fact that her actions so far have been relentlessly negative doesn't mean she's entitled to some sort of indulgence until she finally gets around to doing something decent!
As I said, I'm willing to reevalutate Quinn as the story goes on. I'd like to think there's more to her character too, but a) I'm not going to ignore the rest of her actions until then, and b) it won't automatically balance her ledger if and when it does finally happen.
Way to focus on the least important part, but as you've said to others here today, your response doesn't surprise me either.
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You know, it's kind of fitting that her name is Quinn because if we were to add the name "Harley" in front of it, then maybe people could better understand why a character who has done bad things is popular, but also that that character can change and maybe isn't as bad as they seemed.
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Quinn should be far lower down on the list. She's basically a man in drag.
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enough internet for me today, i'm going outside, bye
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Scraping the barrel now HB. We never said we didn't understand her popularity.
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Is it?
Ignoring the myriad of details (and differing continuities) we could debate, the fact of the matter is that the Joker was an established villain for decades before Harley was invented. Harley's abusive antics are always going to play very differently when she's his sidekick.
Quinn not only isn't forced to compete for attention against one of the most famous sociopaths in fiction, she isn't even a sidekick at all.
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Don't take it personaly It was more an answer for the whole "Quinn's lover clearly have problems" stuffI'm pretty damn sure we don't
I never said she wasn't interesting now did I? I never said she didn't present harsh realities either did I? In fact, never said any of things you're trying to throw at me. Interesting she is I agree as a character.
You know in my country, prositution and selling weed aren't illegals and immoral activities. Differents places, differents standards.
Point you seem to have missed in my previous post when I claimed that some people have issue with traits considered as vile and others don't. I'm not trying to defend Quinn's actions because several actions you and the righteoushave condemned aren't even vile in my book. And that's my issue when someone projects his own moral considerations into a porn game and try to make it universal. There is no such thing as moral objectivity and certainly not in an unrealistic porn game.
Like I said, we don't share the moral compass.
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Yes, because the main similarity is the fact that even though both characters exhibited morally questionable and reprehensible actions and behaviours, they became fan favourite characters because of how entertaining they were (and, yes, in large part due to male horniness centred on an attractive, fictional female character).
Harley's popularity led to her character and backstory being greatly expanded upon to give greater understanding of why she became so infatuated with "Mistah J" and turned to a life of crime, and in the last 10 or so years she's undergone something of a reformation by breaking away from him and becoming not just more of an anti-hero character, but also one of DC's most popular characters.
We don't yet know what Quinn's reasons are for doing what she does and being how she is, but I see it playing out similarly to Harley in that there is a compelling reason for all of this, however messed it might be, and she has it in her to turn things around and become a better person, yet still retain that edgy demeanour.
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Lmao, this Quinn hate in the thread lately
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I'm not getting what your point is, then. If you're saying Quinn is a lot like Harley before she went mainstream but the audience was generally more forgiving of Harley... doesn't that imply there must be something different about them beyond just the longer name?
As I said, Quinn is always going to have a harder time getting audience sympathy because her transgressions aren't overshadowed by the Clown Prince of Crime. Harley being a sidekick meant her terrible actions frequently looked tame in comparison. Quinn isn't a sidekick, so her actions are forced to stand on their own.
Plus, Quinn is arguably the main antagonist in the game thus far, and her actions are frequently much worse than the competition. Quinn easily manages to out-asshole Tommy, IMHO. Tybalt is her only real match, but they almost never interact and the one time they did Quinn still came off as the bigger jerk because of the whole "ditching Hell Week to peddle drugs" thing.
Beyond that, though, the other problem is that Quinn is not nearly as memorable a villain as Harley was. Harley had an instantly iconic visual aesthetic backed by an inspired voice actor (who could in turn play off Kevin Conroy and Mark Hamill); Quinn has a pretty standard goth look and is silent. As a girl, Harley immediately stood out from Batman's mostly male cast of characters; Quinn is in a game dominated by female characters. Harley got to piggyback off one of the most iconic villains in comic books; Quinn is a solo act doing fairly typical "mean girl" things. It's not really a fair match for Quinn.
Again, I'm not trying to say that Quinn is a worse person than Harley, or even that Quinn is a bad villain. I just think it would take more than just a sympathetic backstory to turn Quinn into Harley.
Of course, I've always been skeptical of Harley as an anti-hero, too. So perhaps I'm not the demographic to worry about.
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I'm not saying that people were more forgiving of Harley, but that the reasons for people liking these characters are, in my opinion, practically the same.
Harley Quinn was a sidekick, but she still did bad things of her own volition because she's psycho and those actions were entirely her own, and whilst they might not have reached quite the same levels of psycho as Joker, it doesn't diminish her actions to the point of being irrelevant by comparison to his.
I think you might be looking at this too much as a 1:1 comparison which is not what I've been getting at. They aren't 100% comparable for obvious reasons, it's simply that they both have a fan-favourite status despite being characters who commit objectively bad actions for objectively bad reasons, and that Quinn, much like Harley, may be similarly misguided in her actions and could have a similar redemptive/reformation arc to her character.
Anyway, I just find the contrast between how people react to Quinn versus how people react to comic book villains iteresting because I've honestly never known people to have such visceral and extreme reactions to comic book villains as I've seen with how people react to Quinn.
P.S. The Harley Quinn series was awesome and I can't wait for Season 3.
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