VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[bolsiita]

I definitely hope we get more Quinn in the future, I ended up more interested in her than in Sage this update.

 

[Wizard_Shiryuu]

No, You don't have a legitimate argument other than how you think this should be because you don't like it. it's like an SJW bitching about Cyberpunk 2077 not being Woke enough for her taste, therefore bad game.

It's funny you say that, because you are the one without arguments and you keep strawmanning me at every post you make.

1. If the MC is a massive Chick, and feels empathy and loyalty to his first commitment - to visit his sick friend Sage - and has to tell Jill that he can't make it to her spontaneous outing, and explains it nicely to her and she feels a little disappointed but overall understands the situation. What is wrong with that?
2. Alternatively, if the MC is a massive Chick, and feels empathy and loyalty to his first commitment - to visit his sick friend Sage - but desperately wants to go with Jill on this nice picnic she's organised, so he messages Sage that he'll see her a little later in the day to which she tells him to forget about it. What is wrong with that?

The second scenario went a little poorly because Sage, being Sage, didn't handle it well. No surprise there.

I don't have any issues with 1, but I don't think it's in character for a CHICK MC to act like 2.

Sage's reply goes totally in line with her, it was to be expected. But we still don't know if Jill considers this a reason to break up/stop seeing each other. Maybe she does.

Ok, so after discovering that (through episodes 1-6) Jill's Relationship Points (RP) in the game do bugger all I thought I'd check up all the mains LIs RPs and their impact on the game.

Bella

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Jill

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Josy

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So we can currently say that the RPs do pretty much fuck all in this game at the moment.

That's not to say that the decisions the mc makes and the individual actions he takes don't have their own impacts. The RPs are a gauge of the actions he's been taking, but typically not a mechanism in their own right for controlling the game's outcomes (exceptions being listed above).

DPC said he didn't want people minmaxing RP points, so they will probably be used for this kind of stuff and leave important things to other checks.

 

[ename144]

I think, the the CHICKest choice is to not even call her .

Why on earth not? Even if the MC never fooled around with Sage in the slightest, she just turned to him for emotional support after Chad dumped her. It's hardly unreasonable to call her to see how she's doing a few days later. The MC has no reason to think calling Sage would eventually impose on a major milestone with Jill during a future date she hasn't told him about yet.

And that's the big problem. As soon as the player chooses to call her, Sage asks him to come over and take care of her. Now MCs not on Sage's path can always beg off, but at that time they have literally nothing else to do. So the only reason to do beg off is if they were worried about getting sick. If an MC agrees to help, clearly they didn't mind the germs. At that point, as I said before, it feels like an extremely DIK move to cancel on Sage just to fool around with Jill.

It might be different if the MC knew this date was extremely important to Jill, but of course she deliberately hides that from him. As far as the MC knows, Jill called at a bad time and there's no reason she shouldn't be willing to take a rain check. Jill's request - on its face - is just an inherently lower priority than Sage's, regardless of how much the MC likes Jill.

That's what makes the choice so one sided, which is pretty much opposite of what you expect from a good dilemma.

 

[chronomate]

Sorry if I'm not the first person to suggest this, but could Josy be in a tanning bed/booth in that pic? I've seen people suggest she's floating in the water, but her hair looks dry and her skin looks sweaty, neither of which suggests being in the water to me. Just a thought.

Also, that image says Ep. 7 preview #2? I must have completely missed #1, can anyone re-post it (or link to a prior comment). Would greatly appreciate it.

 

[Old&Useless]

Here you are

 

[Gunizz]

[Quinn] She's just a broken girl pretending to be tough, navigating through the world the only way she knows how. She'll be the first to die...

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That would be a typical Hollywood plot, sinner pays his/her sins by dying or redeem his/her soul to Jezzus' eyes by sacrificing his life to save the good guys. Very US American puritan mentality. I do hope DPC, being from Europe, is not giving us that condescending crap. I want to be surprised and emotionally affected when reading a VN, not just look at sex scenes, otherwise I would just fap to a set of images without wasting time in reading. I expect DPC to set a more complex and intriguing narrative than the average VN.

Jill can hire a killer (Bella?) and have Tybalt killed, in life even good people sometimes do very bad gestures

Yes, and that's when they become "bad people" (I mean, we're talking about killing someone, not stealing an apple).
By the way, I really hope Jill reveals herself as a "bad" and naughty girl, an orgy addicted, that would make many CHICKS cry.

 

[ChipLecsap]

Why on earth not? Even if the MC never fooled around with Sage in the slightest, she just turned to him for emotional support after Chad dumped her. It's hardly unreasonable to call her to see how she's doing a few days later. The MC has no reason to think calling Sage would eventually impose on a major milestone with Jill during a future date she hasn't told him about yet.

And that's the big problem. As soon as the player chooses to call her, Sage asks him to come over and take care of her. Now MCs not on Sage's path can always beg off, but at that time they have literally nothing else to do. So the only reason to do beg off is if they were worried about getting sick. If an MC agrees to help, clearly they didn't mind the germs. At that point, as I said before, it feels like an extremely DIK move to cancel on Sage just to fool around with Jill.

It might be different if the MC knew this date was extremely important to Jill, but of course she deliberately hides that from him. As far as the MC knows, Jill called at a bad time and there's no reason she shouldn't be willing to take a rain check. Jill's request - on its face - is just an inherently lower priority than Sage's, regardless of how much the MC likes Jill.

That's what makes the choice so one sided, which is pretty much opposite of what you expect from a good dilemma.

I accept your opinion, about how you personally feel about it. You feel, it is a dik move, its you own personal feelings speaking. . Not agreeing with something because you personally not like it, I accept and agree with. but using this as to try to justify that hey its bad writing, is something that I not agree.

I don't agree how mc stormed out and avoided maya and Josy for 2 day, but that is my personal feeling, and MC has his own feeling, just because he say he start to fall in love with Jill, does not mean I feel the same.
we reading a book, with his own character , we can alter what chapter we want to read, but it's still a set in stone story.

You know, there are people who may not interested in sage at all, so for them this is not even a dilemma. just like there are peoples, who are not interested in Josy and Maya as much as they wont even mind if they are removed.

I personally not care about Bella, I have not even seen her more than what the story wanted me to. once the game is finished, once we have the whole puzzle, we will know what decisions and action has to take for the out come we want to achieve, until then we are just getting pieces

 

[Sunnie]

I definitely hope we get more Quinn in the future, I ended up more interested in her than in Sage this update.

Quinn best girl IMO, and it's not even close for me. I like all the girls in this game, but she ticks all my boxes, pretty much.
I wish DPC would bump her up to full love interest status, or at the very least, a "hidden LI" that you can end up with if you follow a very specific path or something.
It'll probably not happen, but a man can dream, I guess.

 

[felicemastronzo]

Yes, and that's when they become "bad people" (I mean, we're talking about killing someone, not stealing an apple).
By the way, I really hope Jill reveals herself as a "bad" and naughty girl, an orgy addicted, that would make many CHICKS cry.

Jill with the backlog she has I think as soon as she unlocks herself , she will put a strain on MC.

among other things, not being able to risk being caught entering and exiting the prep house, Jill will probably tie MC under the bed feeding him with pussy and caviar

 

[Gladheim]

Josy, Josy, Josy!!!!!
We want to see more o her

 

[Pendrell]

Quinn best girl IMO, and it's not even close for me. I like all the girls in this game, but she ticks all my boxes, pretty much.
I wish DPC would bump her up to full love interest status, or at the very least, a "hidden LI" that you can end up with if you follow a very specific path or something.
It'll probably not happen, but a man can dream, I guess.

I agree, and I think it's at least possible that DPC might do something like that. Despite what some on here argue, I don't regard the 5 main LIs as set in stone. Quinn already has a more elevated status than the other side girls, she appears as the sixth girl in all the supporting artwork and banners for the VN, her backstory has been fleshed out more than many of the main girls, she's really at the centre of a lot of the main dramatic story threads. The fact she doesn't generate RP at this point is meaningless as far as I'm concerned, partly because RP for those that do generate it seems practically meaningless at this point anyway.

 

[felicemastronzo]

I would like to ask you a question, and I realize that I risk the flame ...

it's about the reasoning made for the crossroads between Sage and Jill, but much more generally.

I have always read that DPC will make us pay for our infidelity, that we must choose etc ..

forget who plays several games at the same time (they converted me too ...) but objectively a player should choose who to bet in the middle of the game based on what?

to me the 5 LIs (or should I say 4?) still seem like puzzles. aesthetically you can have preferences, but what is the aesthetic judgment of girls who do not exist worth? from the point of view of temperament personally I have changed my mind quite drastically already 3-4 times

I just don't see this value of fidelity in a porn game like BADIK.

and if the choices are drastic and arbitrary enough as it seems to be happening, I see even less sense in "behaving well"

 

[Gladheim]

I would like to ask you a question, and I realize that I risk the flame ...

it's about the reasoning made for the crossroads between Sage and Jill, but much more generally.

I have always read that DPC will make us pay for our infidelity, that we must choose etc ..

forget who plays several games at the same time (they converted me too ...) but objectively a player should choose who to bet in the middle of the game based on what?

to me the 5 LIs (or should I say 4?) still seem like puzzles. aesthetically you can have preferences, but what is the aesthetic judgment of girls who do not exist worth? from the point of view of temperament personally I have changed my mind quite drastically already 3-4 times

I just don't see this value of fidelity in a porn game like BADIK.

and if the choices are drastic and arbitrary enough as it seems to be happening, I see even less sense in "behaving well"

Cause this is not a porn game . Is a andult novel dude. And it's not the first that you have to be faithful to. In acting lessons for example it was like that.

 

[MarnorVonEhrencron]

I agree, and I think it's at least possible that DPC might do something like that. Despite what some on here argue, I don't regard the 5 main LIs as set in stone. Quinn already has a more elevated status than the other side girls, she appears as the sixth girl in all the supporting artwork and banners for the VN, her backstory has been fleshed out more than many of the main girls, she's really at the centre of a lot of the main dramatic story threads. The fact she doesn't generate RP at this point is meaningless as far as I'm concerned, partly because RP for those that do generate it seems practically meaningless at this point anyway.

ma agree too. And, as an added bonus, more Quinn = more Riona and thats the real god girl. So I pray for more quinn, because its more likely to have more of her than Queen Riona

 

[moskyx]

Cause this is not a porn game . Is a andult novel dude. And it's not the first that you have to be faithful to. In acting lessons for example it was like that.

In Acting Lessons fidelity only counts from the point you start a serious relationship. Prior events (the HOT's at the bar) are forgiven, and depending on how you choose to live those infidelities (Rena, Anna) cheating doesn't really matter because you end with those girls. At this point of BaDIK, we are not yet there... except in Jill's case. After telling her you love her, it wouldn't be wise to keep fucking around

 

[temperaturesetting]

love it

 

[felicemastronzo]

Cause this is not a porn game . Is a andult novel dude. And it's not the first that you have to be faithful to. In acting lessons for example it was like that.

I don't see a big difference ...

however it is not what I asked: on what basis should I choose the Li to be faithful to? since the 5 LI are still in large part of the mysteries.

the requirement to choose them in the game as in life shouldn't be knowing them?

 

[Gladheim]

I don't see a big difference ...

however it is not what I asked: on what basis should I choose the Li to be faithful to? since the 5 LI are still in large part of the mysteries.

the requirement to choose them in the game as in life shouldn't be knowing them?

Don't worry, I think we haven't reached that point yet. Just about Jill and maybe just the side-girls.

 

[Holy Bacchus]

Cause this is not a porn game . Is a andult novel dude. And it's not the first that you have to be faithful to. In acting lessons for example it was like that.

There's honestly very little distinction between those 2 terms. "Adult visual novel" is just a fancy way of saying "porn game" because, at the end of the day, no matter how good the story of a VN/game is, its sole purpose is to be pornographic and contain copious amounts of gratuitous sexual content. This game has done that in spades and much of the sex is gratuitous in the sense that how it comes about very much exists in the world of fiction.

In terms of the fidelity argument, AL was a very different game where fidelity somewhat made sense. The MC was (I believe) in his mid-30s and the female characters were all early 20s, so from the MC you would expect a more mature guy who's more likely to be faithful than he is to be a horny adolescent seeking to get his end away every chance he gets. The girls also, despite their age, showed a level of maturity and desire for commitment, so fidelity to these girls seemed like it was intended to be the primary focus.

With BaDIK, the setting is entirely different and it's one where fidelity shouldn't be as much of an issue. The college years should be a time for as much sexual experience as you can get with no strings attached. Some people might enter into relationships and they might want that, but if you can get lots of casual sex then you should because one day you won't be having that anymore and you might feel like you missed out on lots of interesting experiences.

In this game, however, we kind of have a mixed bag when it comes to this because whilst you can play the MC as a total manwhore, he also seems to want commitment and so do the girls. I don't know if this is DPC's personal views on sex and realtionships coming through here, but it does somewhat stifle that "college experience" feel to have these characters be like this, especially when it's only been a few weeks of in-game time. None are in committed relationships yet or declaring themselves "official", and perhaps when that happens we may see consequences from still being with other girls, but it does feel as though the game leans too much on the concept/prospect of fidelity in a setting where the primary protagonists should just be enjoying each other's company and their time together rather than putting labels on things so quickly.

 

[The Bush Diver]

I definitely hope we get more Quinn in the future, I ended up more interested in her than in Sage this update.

Right on, brother! Can't wait for more content with Quinn as well!