VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[Deleted member 2528490]

How many of you tri betas turned her down

 

[Room639]

I'm taking the low end of the estimate because that's what you do to get a conservative estimate. You wanna get all hyped up and then disappointed, go ahead and believe an developer's higher end estimate, that's just the real world...

Stating that the development time between progressive episodes is increasing is a fact, no argument from me there.

Stating that the developer's estimates of completion are bullshit when he gave a vague (30-50%) gauge a while back, is unfair.

So 30-50% means 30%, 60-75% means 60%... but why even put the higher percentage out there? The fact is that these numbers were never realistic in the first place, but people do get hyped up at the higher numbers (which were ambitious at best and plain false at worse), and DPC is working in an industry where hype=patrons. People may not subscribe if they think a game is 4 months out, but make it seem like it's 6 weeks away and people will sign up. Again, all credit to the game, but the marketing - unrealistic/untruthful numbers and unneccessarily extended release times - is bullshit.

I love the game, but I hate what is becoming of the business model.

 

[ename144]

Why is the answer of 14 to 20 episodes confusing to you?

I could imagine that DPC has a list of problems and dramas for BaDIK and works through this list step by step.
It's an estimate from DPC because he can't predict exactly how many episodes he needs for the problems and dramas.

Keep in mind that BaDIK is set at the beginning of the first year in college and if DPC wanted to, he could create more problems and dramas and run BaDIK until EP 50.

Speaking for myself, the problem is that a story needs more than just a list of events that happen. The events need to be linked by the actions of the characters, which in turn need to flow from those characters trying to achieve their various goals. Without that web of action the events will only ever be a list, no more emotionally gripping than the roster of candidates for the 2022 Olympic Men's Biathlon.

Now in theory, you can just keep advancing the narrative in an unending chain of events, as is common in soap operas and comic books. The problem, though, is that the characters are (hopefully) striving to fulfill their goals the whole time. So eventually they really ought to succeed (or definitively fail) at that long-standing goal. If they are stuck chasing the same goal endlessly, things will feel stale. But if they finally succeed (or fail), then not only is the goal no longer able to drive their actions, but these characters should be changed in some way by the experience: they just achieved (or are forced to admit they'll never achieve) their life's ambition, after all.

Now a good author can still make this sort of thing work, by allowing characters to evolve and adding/removing characters over time to shake things up. But that's much, much harder than telling a simple story with only the initial set of goals.

Looking at BaDIK, I see plenty of initial goals, but not a lot of opportunity for secondary goals. The only thing that might serve that function is if the MC does adopt a serious relationship with one (or two) of the LIs, and the story then transitions to how things change from their. That would be pretty ambitious, but a lot harder to work in a game that's primarily about cramming in as many lewd scenes as will fit.

So yeah, I'm nervous at the thought of this going much past three seasons.

tl;dr It's hard to keep adding new dramas to a story without the characters growing stale or altering things the audience initially liked about them.

Not really anything to analyze here. No numbers included except 80% done, which is kind of meaningless when you remember that DPC said he was 30-50% two months ago (which was obviously bullshit).

Oh yee of little faith.

As shazba has already pointed out, that was not bullshit. DPC estimated he was 30-50% complete on January 1. As I said at the time, that roughly translated to a 100% complete date between February 26 and May 14. The latest estimate (March 26 to April 2) falls squarely within that time frame. If anything, this makes DPC look consistent (or, more likely, underscores the value of wide error bars).

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So 30-50% means 30%, 60-75% means 60%... but why even put the higher percentage out there? The fact is that these numbers were never realistic in the first place, but people do get hyped up at the higher numbers (which were ambitious at best and plain false at worse), and DPC is working in an industry where hype=patrons. People may not subscribe if they think a game is 4 months out, but make it seem like it's 6 weeks away and people will sign up. Again, all credit to the game, but the marketing - unrealistic/untruthful numbers and unneccessarily extended release times - is bullshit.

I love the game, but I hate what is becoming of the business model.

30-50% means somewhere between 30% and 50%. It's not complicated. If today's estimate winds up being true, back on January 1 we would have been around 39% complete. That's not only between 30% and 50%, it's relatively close to halfway between them.

What exactly are you complaining about here?

Huh never thought about that. She has sex with us on her parent's bed while subsequently cheating on Maya at the same time. Remind me why she chose her parent's bed of all places?

Probably because her own bed was too small for two people to sleep in with any degree of chastity. Josy obviously wanted extremely unchaste things to happen, but I think she needed the fig leaf that things would stay chaste to help her get past the guilt of cheating on Maya.

That's my guess, anyway.

Don't your bosses understand that your porn game charts are more important that any pish they are asking you to do?

Hard to say. For some inexplicable reason the topic has never come up.

 

[ChipLecsap]

Huh never thought about that. She has sex with us on her parent's bed while subsequently cheating on Maya at the same time. Remind me why she chose her parent's bed of all places?

You know what? , I won't Blame you, it is hard to focus on what is she saying

 

[Ennoch]

You know what? , I won't Blame you, it is hard to focus on what is she saying
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Lies. I can totally focus on what she is saying. Saying "Please fuck me already i beg of you!" I mean thats totally what she said, i can remember clearly i swear!

 

[ChipLecsap]

Lies. I can totally focus on what she is saying. Saying "Please fuck me already i beg of you!" I mean thats totally what she said, i can remember clearly i swear!

You got it "almost" right


our next sex scene with her Better Be indeed HARDER

 

[Casmyr]

You know what? , I won't Blame you, it is hard to focus on what is she saying
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I can't make it out. Is she saying "I hope your bigger than Steve

Ok ok truce. Im only salty cuz my bday was yesterday and you said you'd come.

Could anyone see the possibility of steve coming to b&r? I know the rejects already came but like next term?

 

[ChipLecsap]

I can't make it out. Is she saying "I hope your bigger than Steve

Ok ok truce. Im only salty cuz my bday was yesterday and you said you'd come.

Could anyone see the possibility of steve coming to b&r? I know the rejects already came but like next term?

No hurt feelings. but I wonder if I put you in to my ignore list, would you still see my comments? .

 

[KingDick77]

Waiting for the day Caleb whoops MC's ass for all the cheating and lies he has told.

 

[Casmyr]

Waiting for the day Caleb whoops MC's ass for all the cheating and lies he has told.

It won't be Caleb. It'll be Burt or Bert, he already whooped one half of the maggot brothers. He's coming for the MC

 

[Jill_Royce]

Waiting for the day Caleb whoops MC's ass for all the cheating and lies he has told.

I am wondering why it is?

 

[Casmyr]

godkingxerxes reminded me in an early comment about Jill's horses.
Imagine if DPC makes like a horse/ranch mini game where you have to feed horses and paint fences
It's like...your literally shoveling horse crap

 

[Razrback16]

Could anyone see the possibility of steve coming to b&r? I know the rejects already came but like next term?

Probably - I imagine DPC wouldn't have made a critical choice around Steve if he wasn't going to come back into the story at some point down the road.

 

[Casmyr]

Probably - I imagine DPC wouldn't have made a critical choice around Steve if he wasn't going to come back into the story at some point down the road.

This is true. But Hazeti made this good point earlier about this major decision being used to shape the MC's character.
And I kind of like that. But we shall see, it'd be neat though if we got anything from that exchange though like if MC bumps into Steve at some point in the game and we can see him react according to whatever action we took like Troy did when you bump into him at the cafeteria.

 

[Kellermann]

godkingxerxes reminded me in an early comment about Jill's horses.
Imagine if DPC makes like a horse/ranch mini game where you have to feed horses and paint fences
It's like...your literally shoveling horse crap

Only if we can squeeze in a few D&G sessions in between the farm work....oh and a "doors" montage too! Maybe some student tuition drama MC has to solve while we are at it.

Meanwhile Jill tending the horses...

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[shazba]

godkingxerxes reminded me in an early comment about Jill's horses.
Imagine if DPC makes like a horse/ranch mini game where you have to feed horses and paint fences
It's like...your literally shoveling horse crap

Wasn't there a "mini game" in RDR2 where you had to do that...?

This is true. But Hazeti made this good point earlier about this major decision being used to shape the MC's character.
And I kind of like that. But we shall see, it'd be neat though if we got anything from that exchange though like if MC bumps into Steve at some point in the game and we can see him react according to whatever action we took like Troy did when you bump into him at the cafeteria.

I felt that CHICK/DIK affinity reaction to walking away or being nice to Steve was one of the strangest ones.

He was such a cunt the whole time the mc worked there. How many people in real life would have a heart to heart with such a guy just cause they saw him sniveling.

I don't think walking away was really much of a DIK move. Walking up to him, kicking him in the balls, and then walking away, perhaps...

So 30-50% means 30%, 60-75% means 60%... but why even put the higher percentage out there? The fact is that these numbers were never realistic in the first place, but people do get hyped up at the higher numbers (which were ambitious at best and plain false at worse), and DPC is working in an industry where hype=patrons. People may not subscribe if they think a game is 4 months out, but make it seem like it's 6 weeks away and people will sign up. Again, all credit to the game, but the marketing - unrealistic/untruthful numbers and unneccessarily extended release times - is bullshit.

I love the game, but I hate what is becoming of the business model.

No dude... I outlined the aggressive, middle ground and conservative estimates, and they were all kinda OK (the aggressive estimate being the least accurate).

But if someone gives you a ranged estimate to their progress on something, you can:

• Determine the most expedient date of their completion at the risk of being disappointed when they don't achieve it,
• calculate the least expedient date of completion with the possible bonus of being pleasantly surprised when they deliver early; or
• take it as a ballpark estimate and just chill out...

But to get cynical that a guy is bullshitting his estimates to simply get more patrons, when it is so hard to actually give an accurate estimate early in development, is just being jaded (and that's not the same thing as being "Jaded" )...

DPC's estimate range has narrowed as he has come closer to completion. His updates are regulator and open, and you're whining about his business model? What the fuck are you expecting?

 

[Sodapops]

When is the next update?

 

[Deleted member 2528490]

When is the next update?

It just dropped.

 

[Casmyr]

When is the next update?

It just dropped we're waiting for someone to upload it

 

[Warscared]

Yeah I glossed over that. Im not here to write/read essays on a porn game.
Also how is he the bad guy? We haven't even spoken to him yet. Everyone thought josys dad was a scumbag because he took away her phone but really.
Imagine coming home and your daughters banging some guy on your bed.

i believe that is a fantasy that some games here reflect ...

I wouldn't say people were that harsh about Josy's Dad, plus there's a world of difference between taking your daughter's phone and being a homophobic bigot trying to force your daughter to renounce their sexual orientation through coercion. One is being a strict parent, and the other is scumbaggery of the highest order and trying to defend it makes those people look just as bad.

i will bite here and clearly state that even if it makes me look bad i will always give everyone their fair chance! Virtue is not stated but lived and to pass judgement on people without giving their point of view seems nice but its despicable!

consider that up until the 00`s that is exactly the same attitude that people took towards gays, they opposed it without knowing the human being behind the label because it was the society safe route! just because the roles have reversed does not make it any less unfair or tolerable for those who believe in freedom!

I've got a daughter that is about to enter her teenage years, does the thought that I might need to buy a gun make me a bad guy?

get a hunters license and make sure the gun needs a cleansing when the dudes start showing up to take her on dates! i have been trough that shit and at that time it scared the shit out of me and kept me honest... it kept me honest but not her !

Huh never thought about that. She has sex with us on her parent's bed while subsequently cheating on Maya at the same time. Remind me why she chose her parent's bed of all places?

it was her rebelling against her former life and getting back at everything shitty in her life! her fathers house and bed is a fuck you to peter for picking monica and divorcing her mother! she fucking and cheating on Maya is a fuck you to all the pain that love as put her trough! and ofc the MC is a fuck you to society she will screw a poor dude that treats her well over a rich asshole that only wants to use her!

You know if I were Maya's father, I would at least be proud that my daughter has good tastes.

Maya girlfriend
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that is stupid bullshit if Wendy took care of herself instead of trying to look terrifying she would be decent looking all she needs is some love and a freaking diet and exercise schedule!
not that it matters i had worse then her the looks gets you there but its the person that makes you stay and some not so attractive girls can get beneath your skin with time and they are amazing people once you get into a relationship! Beauty as its function but its hardly enough to build a relationship around!

Only if we can squeeze in a few D&G sessions in between the farm work....oh and a "doors" montage too! Maybe some student tuition drama MC has to solve while we are at it.

Meanwhile Jill tending the horses...

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that is one attractive horse and i bet he can compete on the footlong department with the MC!