VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[Deleted member 3691867]

Excuse you is right. What kind of idiot would confirm free tuition with the VP of a sorority? Any person with a brain would confirm free tuition with the registrar or the tuition office, not with another student. And they would do it before the enroll, not after. Yes, it is Maya's fault for asking the wrong person the wrong question hoping for the right answer. Stop blaming other people for Maya's failure to adult.

Now you are going to a different topic.
Sure, that's what would happen in real life but here in this game DPC decided to do this situation where Maya is desperate to get rid of her father's control and for some reason she doesn't think about communicating to a school authority that a student or rather a soronity is offering free tuition so that later we have all this exaggerated conflict and advance even more in the story. Here I think, as in many situations in this game the Suspension of disbelief enters.

Leaving aside the realism, Maya asked her and Quinn confirmed that there was free tuition but never told her what she would have to do to obtain it, knowing that Maya wouldn't have accepted the terms (prostitution) that Quinn had imposed on her for free tuition.

This game is clearly not for realism and this would not be the first thing that DPC handles in a very unbelievable or disastrous way. With that we have situations like Episode 3/4 with M&J and what's going on now with Tybalt and how ridiculously naive Jill is.

PS: Sorry for sounding aggressive in my previous comment.

 

[godkingxerxes]

My problem with the Maya thing is, she could have been an adult about it and took Quinn aside after the party and asked about the tuition. And then decided it wasn't for her, and moved on, like an adult.

Instead she outright demands money as soon as she's accepted. Completely pathetic.

It's sad that because of that one scene I can't even play Josy content, because that move alone put Maya on the deep shit list and I don't think it's possible for her to get off it.

Pinkcakes makes an adult video game, mayhaps he shouldn't be writing such unlikeable characters that only an entitled child would find interesting.

 

[Deleted member 3691867]

Let's do a quick recap.
She asks what free tuition requires to Quinn.
Right after that the President of HOTs comes in.
Quinn says "Now, zip it.".
If she doesn't understand something sketchy or shady going on right away, sorry but she's a moron. No underselling it. She can come to these conclusions ; either that's just a rumor and nothing more, or it's something shady/sketchy so Quinn doesn't want Sage to know. Either way, instead of confirming it with Sage, she just takes it at face value. Decides to believe it blindly.
She is not shy about voicing her concerns to Sage too as we know. If MC says don't trust Quinn, she goes and asks Sage to change her mother. So yeah, however much you guys say otherwise, Maya has at last some of the blame. Because she's definitely not a moron.

For Sage part, either you didn't even bother playing Sage's path or skipped through it, because she's a very kind and caring person. Shown multiple times at that. She didn't need to do anything about her situation yet she suspects she's in deep shit. Asks about it to the closest people she has first. Does something about it first(paperwork maybe, idk) and then goes extends a helping hand. To gain her trust, she tells about her own situation and what she really feels. That's a big fucking deal because of her nature. What can she gain from that except Maya's good will and thanks? Absolutely nothing. No need to doubt everyone except Maya god's sake

I agree, it doesn't make sense that Maya doesn't realize that obviously Quinn doesn't want Sage to know what she's doing when it's very obvious from the situation and context. That makes her look like a moron.
Of course Maya is partly to blame here too.

I think you misunderstood me about Sage, I don't mean that Sage helps Maya to win something, what I mean is that she helps her for different reasons not only for pity as the comment I answered seemed to allude.

 

[JohnDelfino]

What the fuck is what Quinn went through compared to that? She is a criminal needs to be shunned, locked up, even killed.

This but unironically.

 

[JamieSadistic]

But as many players have bitterly pointed out, the MC still treats Maya as his friend even if she rejects him in Episode 4. Sorry to sound like a broken record, but compare that to how Quinn treats Tommy at the end of Episode 7. The MC can be self-centered and crude, but even at his worst he never views people around him as chew toys unless they've gone out of their way to antagonize him (like, say, Tybalt by the end of Episode 7).

When it comes to the Quinn/Tommy dynamic, I see Tommy as no better than Quinn. While our place in the story provides no evidence to this yet, I'm fairly certain he's done some pretty despicable things as well. Until recently, I'm pretty positive Quinn and Tommy were partners in crime. Given the opportunity, I'd actually love to dive deeper into his character to get a better understanding of why he is the way he is and I can even use the same analysis for Tommy as I do for Quinn. It seems as though MC is slowly changing Tommy as well. After the fight, Tommy's perspective and how he chooses to interact with MC changed rather drastically.

I've already said my piece on Quinn never being shown kindness, so I won't rehash it here. Besides, I sincerely hope you are right. But I'm going to remain skeptical until I actually see Quinn take an action - any action - that actually shows she would place the MC's interest over her own. Because thus far it just hasn't happened. The only time the MC is able to connect with her is when he's doing things she wants/needs him to do AND is going about it in more or less the manner Quinn would prefer.

That *could* be the setup for the MC to earn her trust and finally encourage her vestigial altruism to surface, but it could just as easily be the case of Quinn taking advantage of the MC the same way she takes advantage of everyone else (it's just more friendly because she didn't need to twist his arm). We won't know until Quinn actually has to make a meaningful choice. So far the closest she's got is saying the MC shouldn't give her his money for nothing, which ain't much - especially when she accepted any money he gave Riona in Episode 5.

Now Quinn has been less of an asshole towards him recently; that's not saying much, but it is at least a start. So maybe this will eventually show us some actual depth from Quinn. But if so I think it will be a ways off, because we're barely at the start of her journey.
We can't say for sure until we learn more. So for now I think Quinn's actions need to stand on their own (lack of) merits.

I respect your reasoning behind remaining skeptical, and I even concur to a degree but color me as an optimist that genuinely wants to see the best in people, including fictitious characters. If we take a look at the B&R timeline, we're only in the first semester. We've only interacted with Quinn a handful of times at best. It could be for time constraining purposes that DPC decided to quicken the pace but as an optimist, I choose to believe that there's more at play here. Perhaps MC is more influential than originally anticipated. It's going to come down to a point I made in a previous post when I touched back on the conversation Tommy and MC had after the fist fight. I'm paraphrasing here, so forgive me for not going word for word.

MC: When you're at the bottom, there's nowhere to go but up
Tommy: Did you read that on some bullshit inspirational toilet paper quote of the day?
MC: It's true.
Tommy: It's not. You can choose to stay at the bottom and get comfortable.
MC: Then you'll need somebody to help pull you up.

I think this conversation was DPC's way of telling us that if the player chooses, there will be redemption paths for Quinn and Tommy.
Now, in response to you believing that Quinn's actions need to stand on their own merits, I also concur, however this isn't to be applied solely to Quinn and her actions. A few characters have some things they need to atone for. There comes a time in everyone's life where we come to a crossroads. Admit your wrongs and mistakes or follow the other path that will only lead to your own downfall.

 

[Zirael Q]

Maya is certainly the most illustrative example of Quinn's problem, because Quinn has gone so far out of her way to make Maya's life as much of a living hell as she can manage despite Maya never doing anything worse to Quinn than (probably) letting her disapproval of Quinn's lifestyle show. You don't have to be a Maya fan to recognize that's a bad look.

But it does go beyond that. Quinn will berate and slap Riona when she doesn't rubber stamp Quinn's idiotic plans. She ditches the DIKs on an important occasion purely to avoid an uncomfortable conversation that was - as Tommy said - inevitably going to happen anyway. When Mona runs away, Quinn is eager to wash her hands of the whole matter. As I said above, she routinely abuses Sage's trust. Quinn is an unpleasant person, even to her nominal friends.

And again, it's difficult to blame that all on her past, because growing up with criminals doesn't FORCE you to become a complete asshole. Does Quinn really deserve more slack for her background that Maya? Hard to say. Yes, Maya's family is still around, but it's unclear if that's a good thing given how far her father has gone to break her will. The specific problem with regards to Josy is only a year old, but we know that Patrick wouldn't let her work a summer job even before that. Her dad is clearly a control freak, and I doubt that's a recent development.

With Quinn, all we know for sure is that she grew up in a drug den. That can cover a lot of ground. The small snippets of backstory could indicate she was routinely terrorized by a drugged out dad and his uncaring friends; that would definitely mitigate the problems she shows. But those snippets could also indicate that her 'family' was trying to do the best they could for her despite some difficult circumstances; if anything, that would make it look like Quinn was squandering the chance they tried to give her.

We can't say for sure until we learn more. So for now I think Quinn's actions need to stand on their own (lack of) merits.

I guess you didn't understand where I'm coming from too, since you decided to see it as I'm trying to justify Quinn's actions to your eyes.
Maya's family is still around but it's unclear if that's a good thing? Are you seriously comparing Maya and Quinn's family situations? Quinn's dad is either dead or jailed, we don't know at what age, her mother doesn't recognize her own daughter, what she has to call home is a drug dealing base.
Maya had a twin brother always there to support her, had something to call home with a steady income apparently, since Patrick came there with his car and send his son and daughter to college. Has enough credibility to loan 2x tuition money. She had a steady life, goes on and on.
Are we really going to compare Maya and Quinn's backgrounds? Really? It can be called worse because her father is a control freak religious cunt? Seriously? Doesn't mean it's better than Quinn's situation?
Even in his twisted way, he does what he does because he cares for her daughter. Notice the key word here? She has people who cares about her. Wants to shape her life as he sees fit? Yes. What he didn't let her go to work a summer job? Boo fucking hoo what a terrible thing to do. Quinn doesn't have shit on her, agreed for sure. He didn't let her work on a summer job, oh lord how did she survive? That's terrible.

But you are right about Quinn. We only know she grew up in a drug den. So let's not go and make baseless assumptions like her family was there in their own way and did their best to give her a chance, yet she went and squandered her chance. Thanks.

P.S : I'm not talking about Maya because of her spat between Quinn and her and I dislike her. It's because we are dealing with her background drama personified aka Patrick and it so happens she's the most felt sorry character right now. Let's not have Jill's naivety and think absence of parents is a small deal, at a young age at that.

Also meanwhile at that, I have a question. Did she know Patrick had a key to her room before this episode? Can someone answer this? I forgot

 

[Hesteros]

Also, we don't know exactly why Sage wants to help Maya, she doesn't look like she just wants to help her out of pity.

The code. It’s the same reason why she denied Maya’s request to change mother (although she later realised that it was the wrong decision).

She also mentioned that she “promised to pay it forward”. This might mean she was once in a dark spot and someone helped her out of it. In gratitude, she made a promise to eventually do the same to others.

 

[Deleted member 3691867]

Also meanwhile at that, I have a question. Did she know Patrick had a key to her room before this episode? Can someone answer this? I forgot

Yeah she knew he had a key, the same MC questions how she even thought of sharing a room with Josy if her father could come in at any time as a "surprise".

 

[Zirael Q]

My problem with the Maya thing is, she could have been an adult about it and took Quinn aside after the party and asked about the tuition. And then decided it wasn't for her, and moved on, like an adult.

Instead she outright demands money as soon as she's accepted. Completely pathetic.

It's sad that because of that one scene I can't even play Josy content, because that move alone put Maya on the deep shit list and I don't think it's possible for her to get off it.

Pinkcakes makes an adult video game, mayhaps he shouldn't be writing such unlikeable characters that only an entitled child would find interesting.

Well that's normal behavior for her, she didn't even want being a HOT. Her only concern was money. If there was another rumor about Alphas giving free tuition, she would go and apply to them too.

Also, what's the fetish with slaps everyone? MC is punching and kicking jaws of people and nobody talks about it. But when the situation changes, here are the reactions :
Maya slaps Quinn in front of every HOT? That's my gurl, you had it coming bitch !!!!!
Quinn slaps Riona? How dare she does this, look at her she's a bitch !!!!!
Quinn gives middle finger to Maya and calls her a bitch? *unintelligible* *flips table*
What's going on

 

[Niu6609]

I din't know why it's hard to accept for everyone. C7 look at sage face when she sees chad. If chad asked her, Sage would have fucked chad at front of mc.

Yeap ! Once a cheater, Always a cheater.

I'm pretty sure she still has some lingering feelings for Chad, and she might have some sort of inferiority complex as well, probably thinking why she wasn't good enough to the extent that Chad had to cheat on her to find pleasure instead of consulting her directly about his urges. That is, of course, just my speculation about the whole situation, and I'm hoping the whole Sage-Chad situation can be resolved in the next episode, what with MC seeing Chad gay out with Troy and all. I'm really hoping for closure on Sage's part so that MC can finally date her ffs

Plus, Sage isn't really dating MC at the moment, so honestly she's still free to do whatever she likes. Just like MC does, fucking every hot girl he sees, which seems to be a big part of college in games lmao. I'm just hoping Sage will be genuinely and only attracted to MC soon, and even if she fucked Chad, I can guarantee you that she'd still go back to MC, main reason being that she seems to really, and I mean REALLY, enjoy the sex.

 

[Deleted member 3691867]

My problem with the Maya thing is, she could have been an adult about it and took Quinn aside after the party and asked about the tuition. And then decided it wasn't for her, and moved on, like an adult.

Instead she outright demands money as soon as she's accepted. Completely pathetic.

It's sad that because of that one scene I can't even play Josy content, because that move alone put Maya on the deep shit list and I don't think it's possible for her to get off it.

Pinkcakes makes an adult video game, mayhaps he shouldn't be writing such unlikeable characters that only an entitled child would find interesting.

Come on, neither Quinn nor Maya act like adults and I think that's very obvious so far.
Maya only wants to join the HOTs for the free tuition of course the first thing she will think about is how it works. I think Quinn knew that Maya would never have agreed with the "restaurant" thing and the only reason she played along was to fuck with her to teach her a lesson (I don't know in what exactly).

Maya didn't demand any money, she went and asked Mona about the free tuition and told her that they could do it together that's when Mona tells her that there's basically no such thing as FREE tuition. And when she goes to question Quinn, instead of acting like an "adult" and talking privately to her, she teases her saying that she is believing in rumors (which is a lie because she had offered it to her) obviously Maya is angry, if her anger is valid that is debatable.

 

[Niu6609]

Also, what's the fetish with slaps everyone? MC is punching and kicking jaws of people and nobody talks about it. But when the situation changes, here are the reactions :
Maya slaps Quinn in front of every HOT? That's my gurl, you had it coming bitch !!!!!
Quinn slaps Riona? How dare she does this, look at her she's a bitch !!!!!
Quinn gives middle finger to Maya and calls her a bitch? *unintelligible* *flips table*
What's going on

Probably just because of contextual differences, and how different people perceive things differently hahaha. No one really gives a shit about MC punching and kicking everyone because that's just how it is man, the game has a whole mechanic devoted to fighting people so I guess people are just used to it lmao. Also the whole hating on Quinn thing is probably just because people dislike Quinn for her character and see her in a bad light, which again, depends on perspective I guess. Humans are hella flawed when it comes to beliefs.

 

[Zirael Q]

Yeah she knew he had a key, the same MC questions how she even thought of sharing a room with Josy if her father could come in at any time as a "surprise".

Ah right, now I checked it too and yes. She knew he had a key to her dorm and crafted a master plan to not talk about the exchange student situation to staff so she could live with Josy? Because the person tricked her to sign a document allowing him to hold her life hostage said he'd tell Derek before coming? Derek? The same Derek? Maya's twin brother? After he said he'll fuck her life up if she sees Josy and she knowingly does that? God damn she is too smart for this planet. Playing 4D Chess irl.
Wonder how she got in B&R

 

[hyuk_reaper]

a song so simple and yet so heavy, this intro of ep 7 was incredible:

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[Deleted member 3691867]

Well that's normal behavior for her, she didn't even want being a HOT. Her only concern was money. If there was another rumor about Alphas giving free tuition, she would go and apply to them too.

Also, what's the fetish with slaps everyone? MC is punching and kicking jaws of people and nobody talks about it. But when the situation changes, here are the reactions :
Maya slaps Quinn in front of every HOT? That's my gurl, you had it coming bitch !!!!!
Quinn slaps Riona? How dare she does this, look at her she's a bitch !!!!!
Quinn gives middle finger to Maya and calls her a bitch? *unintelligible* *flips table*
What's going on

I think it's something called context. Quinn's reasons for slapping Riona and Maya's for slapping Quinn are different and depending on the person, one may be more valid than the other depending on the context.

Quinn hits Riona, a close friend of hers because she questions her recent decisions regarding the "restaurant" and because of an insult that it's not really worth a hit.

Maya hits Quinn because she is teasing and lying to her face that she is believing rumors when in fact Quinn had told her there was free tuition. I was personally surprised that she slapped her, I didn't expect it.

 

[Zirael Q]

I din't know why it's hard to accept for everyone. C7 look at sage face when she sees chad. If chad asked her, Sage would have fucked chad at front of mc.

Yeap ! Once a cheater, Always a cheater.

Absolutely not. Her reason for doing it was because it wasn't even something to be called a relationship. He didn't spend time with her, didn't care how she felt, didn't give her attention, both sexual and normal attention. It was always Chad's problems and issues And she found out she was being cheated on after that. It wasn't even what you'd call a relationship. She let go of it after she saw him talking on phone and didn't say anything about it to Chad. Because she wanted to find out who "she" was. When that option becomes available, it'll be a completely different situation. Will take a long while so it's okay

 

[Abhishek_tanwar]

Absolutely not. Her reason for doing it was because it wasn't even something to be called a relationship. He didn't spend time with her, didn't care how she felt, didn't give her attention, both sexual and normal attention. It was always Chad's problems and issues And she found out she was being cheated on after that. It wasn't even what you'd call a relationship. She let go of it after she saw him talking on phone and didn't say anything about it to Chad. Because she wanted to find out who "she" was. When that option becomes available, it'll be a completely different situation. Will take a long while so it's okay

I hope so ! But her statement ruins everything. At c7 hots party when mc walk in on josy and sage. At that conversation her statement was " everything is like before back jock and hots and she is so into tradition. "

For her Jocks and hots is tradition and diks is side dish but I keep everything open.

Hope for best prepare for worst !

 

[Zirael Q]

I think it's something called context. Quinn's reasons for slapping Riona and Maya's for slapping Quinn are different and depending on the person, one may be more valid than the other depending on the context.

Quinn hits Riona, a close friend of hers because she questions her recent decisions regarding the "restaurant" and because of an insult that it's not really worth a hit.

Maya hits Quinn because she is teasing and lying to her face that she is believing rumors when in fact Quinn had told her there was free tuition. I was personally surprised that she slapped her, I didn't expect it.

Eh, of course contexts are different but no need to make slaps something bigger than they are. Especially for Quinn. She got fucking mugged and punched right on her nose. Walked back with a bloodied nose and clothes back by herself. Would a slap from an angry girl even faze her? Hell, she might've even enjoyed it she finally got a reaction from her after she had her fun.
I guess nobody was expecting it, not even Quinn but hey, it happened. I would get it if Quinn got angry or something about it but... As I said, nope

 

[JamieSadistic]

Am I wrong when I say that Quinn never once promised or mentioned free tuition to anyone?

 

[Walter Victor]

Also, we don't know exactly why Sage wants to help Maya, she doesn't look like she just wants to help her out of pity.

I'm pretty sure Sage is helping Maya out because 1. She sees herself in Maya; or 2. she's been watching Maya's actions since she became a daughter for the HOTS and is genuinely concerned about Maya. In the latest episode, she did have a good heart-to-heart with Maya, wanting her to be part of the HOTS, and I do believe as a sorority president, she cares about her sisters, especially after all they've done to get through the scavenger hunt. Granted, Sage might not've been so caring if Maya wasn't part of the HOTS in the first place, but I'm sure she understands as well just how tough the scavenger hunt is, so it's not surprising that she'd want Maya to reconsider either, considering how much she's been through.

I think you misunderstood me about Sage, I don't mean that Sage helps Maya to win something, what I mean is that she helps her for different reasons not only for pity as the comment I answered seemed to allude.

The code. It’s the same reason why she denied Maya’s request to change mother (although she later realised that it was the wrong decision).

She also mentioned that she “promised to pay it forward”. This might mean she was once in a dark spot and someone helped her out of it. In gratitude, she made a promise to eventually do the same to others.

Yes, it's the code, the sisterhood. Sage believes in that code. For all I know she devised the code herself.

At any rate, she believes in it, and Maya is a HOT, so Sage genuinely cares for Maya and wants to find out what's going on and help if she can.

Oh, by the way, Sage knows about the things that go on in the Scavenger Hunt, but she did NOT know about the extra 'goodies' that Quinn added to Maya's.