VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[mindern]

you did not understand what I wanted to say

Mc already knows why Maya needs the free tuition, that's the personal and confidential part of the matter. and Maya trusts him enough to share with him her plan
The details of the loan are a personal matter? That need this proven trust?

God willing that Maya would go to a professor and ask him how a student loan works and what involves her being a co-borrower....

We are all assuming it’s a traditional student loan. As in it has caveats on how it’s spent.

This whole loan-argument-disbelief-thing becomes easily explained if it’s just a regular loan where her father is the primary and she co-signed it.

The only unbelievable part there is that at 18 she had the credit score to be a co-signer. Which isn’t a massive issue if her father was in good standing.

If it’s a regular loan and she’s the co-signer rather than the primary he would control the cash and her credit score would still be burdened with the loan.

She can’t get another student loan, he legally controls the cash and shes at his mercy for tuition to be paid. Just like the story says.

I never had an issue with the student loan thing because I just assumed she was the co-signer not the primary and thus she had all the burden of the debt on her credit score and none of the control.

I don’t consider it a secondary reality breaking suspension of disbelief to think at 18 she had a decent credit score. Short of us actually seeing the fucking fictional loan contract this will never be settled but there’s logical and consistent consistent with the story circumstances where Maya could be in this position.

 

[Cabin Fever]

I think the biggest mistake that people make about that damn loan is that it's something DPC had planned out at the beginning of the story. I don't believe that, I think it's something that he came up with 'on the fly'. It just has that air of desperate improvisation about it and I also think that the ep7 revelation was something he threw in as an attempt to quell the criticism over the ep6 reveal. If that weak story about the loan was something that he had planned from the beginning, then that's just really sad.

Pretty sure DPC has said from the get go that he had the main plot points (and I'd say the student loan is one of them, as it's the primary device used from the very beginning to shape Maya's path) all decided before even the first release. It's the small details and "how do we get from a to b" that are continuously evolving.

 

[ename144]

So I replayed the whole part of the game, to be sure.

As I tried to explain to you, it doesn't make sense, that no one knew anything until late at night.

As I replayed the chapter I noticed some things and will correct my statements now.

1. The girls didn't need to dress fancy (I just remembered Maya and Josy) they were all in HoT's uniforms (except for daughters).

2. There is no way you can deny Quinn's fault here, she was the operator behind everything, tho Sage still to blame for the omission.

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My main point was that this whole radio silent thing that caused all this commotion was contrived since these people live on their phones. Notice how Josy still had her phone. And I will not back out of Elena just not talking with John-boy as even the game realizes this hole, but acknowledging doesn't change its existence.

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Btw, as I replayed I noticed how red Riona's eyes always are (yes, I didn't notice before), damn girl you need to lay off the weed.

Hang on, who has ever claimed Quinn isn't at fault here? Of course she's at fault. That's a given. Quinn thought it would be better to seek forgiveness than permission, and it blew up in her face. (Note that Quinn appears to overestimate her abilities rather often.)

I thought the question was over how big a contrivance it was that none of the HOTs told the DIKs they would be partying with the preps instead of the DIKs. That's always going to be a subjective topic and I'm not telling you that you must accept the story.

But speaking for myself, I really don't see this as much of a stretch. It basically comes down to whether Elena would distrust when Quinn/Sage told her the DIKs already knew about the change of plans, and (if not) how likely it is that Elena would go 2-4 hours without mentioning this turn of events on social media (or normal conversation with John Boy).

We've never seen any indication that Elena dislike Quinn (much less distrusts her), it seems very reasonable that Elena would believe the DIKs had been told of the change in plans. Given that we don't know much about Elena, nor the day to day routine of her relationship with John Boy, I don't have a problem with the idea that she might not consider the prep party important enough to mention during that narrow window.

YMMV, of course, but I think there are far more unlikely contrivances in the story than this.

 

[felicemastronzo]

We are all assuming it’s a traditional student loan. As in it has caveats on how it’s spent.

This whole loan-argument-disbelief-thing becomes easily explained if it’s just a regular loan where her father is the primary and she co-signed it.

The only unbelievable part there is that at 18 she had the credit score to be a co-signer. Which isn’t a massive issue if her father was in good standing.

If it’s a regular loan and she’s the co-signer rather than the primary he would control the cash and her credit score would still be burdened with the loan.

She can’t get another student loan, he legally controls the cash and shes at his mercy for tuition to be paid. Just like the story says.

I never had an issue with the student loan thing because I just assumed she was the co-signer not the primary and thus she had all the burden of the debt on her credit score and none of the control.

I don’t consider it a secondary reality breaking suspension of disbelief to think at 18 she had a decent credit score. Short of us actually seeing the fucking fictional loan contract this will never be settled but there’s logical and consistent consistent with the story circumstances where Maya could be in this position.

Maya tells us that she has never worked, how would she get this credit? her grandmother's Christmas presents?

what mainly doesn't make sense is that it's a threat to Maya's future and not mainly to her father, who is the only one who has something that the bank or the institution can take back (the house, his job, etc).

but the point is that it DOES NOT MATTER.

the father controls the money, there is nothing else to know

 

[The Pink Royce]

Maya tells us that she has never worked, how would she get this credit? her grandmother's Christmas presents?

what mainly doesn't make sense is that it's a threat to Maya's future and not mainly to her father, who is the only one who has something that the bank or the institution can take back (the house, his job, etc).

but the point is that it DOES NOT MATTER.

the father controls the money, there is nothing else to know

not sure how it works in USA but in europe you're kind of guaranteed to get load for education (think its the same in US) so no you dont need to have good credit .

Difference is that everything about colage is super expensive because students can get loans and schools exploit this - type of get rich quick scheme - and later millions of feminists end up in debt for going to gender studies and communications for 4 years

 

[felicemastronzo]

not sure how it works in USA but in europe you're kind of guaranteed to get load for education (think its the same in US) so no you dont need to have good credit .

Difference is that everything about colage is super expensive because students can get loans and schools exploit this - type of get rich quick scheme - and later millions of feminists end up in debt for going to gender studies and communications for 4 years

if it is a student loan, yes

but mindern was assuming it was a "normal" loan, so Maya would have to have some credit to present as collateral in order to sign it, normally the father would be the guarantor (with his paycheck, his house etc) and Maya the beneficiary, but in that case all the risks would be on him

 

[Hermith]

The Josy-Maya-mc relationship really needs to set sail in the next ep, because they really just ruin each other's routes. Someone mentioned something like this earlier and tbh even if I really like both Maya and Josy this was the first criticism that I can sincerely agree with. The drama must stop or at least it should be toned down so it can actually feel like the three of them are in a relationship.

 

[The Pink Royce]

if it is a student loan, yes

but mindern was assuming it was a "normal" loan, so Maya would have to have some credit to present as collateral in order to sign it, normally the father would be the guarantor (with his paycheck, his house etc) and Maya the beneficiary, but in that case all the risks would be on him

yeah i agree . it would make no sense

i really dont remember the conversation but im almost sure its a student loan .
if it wasnt maya could potentially sign for one .
(since you're guaranteed to get a student loan - and your financial status isnt important to get one)
Patrick would end up with a loan he doesnt want
and lose any control he has over Maya .

also regular loan would have most likely higher %
(not necessarily but that would be my guess)

 

[felicemastronzo]

The Josy-Maya-mc relationship really needs to set sail in the next ep, because they really just ruin each other's routes. Someone mentioned something like this earlier and tbh even if I really like both Maya and Josy this was the first criticism that I can sincerely agree with. The drama must stop or at least it should be toned down so they can actually feel like the three of them are in a relationship.

totally agree

the trouple needs to have its own space, at the moment it is only represented as a sense of guilt while 2 of the 3 do something, it doesn't seem positive at all

 

[dalli_x]

Definitely agree with that. It's just the way she's written. Her characterization. She simply believes what people tell her. She doesn't want people to get involved in her personal issues unless they're close to her.

Personally, I believe she's told Sage the bare minimum; Sage asked about why she wanted the free tuition, Maya gave her the breakdown of exactly what she's facing. She probably didn't give Sage any insight into her sexuality or relationships, and just mostly described the loan situation she's trapped in currently. After all, Sage was persistent enough to even visit her in her dorm and open up to her, thereby gaining some of her trust, resulting in Maya being able to explain her problem to Sage since she wanted to know after all. They might've had a discussion on possible solutions, and I'm thinking it might've involved Sage's family (not really sure since it was one sentence and it was vague). Good thing is, Maya seemed like she had a burden lifted off her shoulders after talking to Sage, so I'm glad she opened up. Now we just wait to see exactly what they discussed in future episodes.

MC on the preps' porch is a scene you get when you signal the DIKs, innit? I've seen it a good number of times, so can't really get onboard with this 'gay MC' thing.

Maya will surely have told Sage about your problems with the father. I assume so. But Sage also mentions to Maya that they are very similar. And that certainly doesn't refer to the money. Maya will have told Sage more than we all think so far. That will include the relationship with the MC and Josy.

Furthermore, I don't see Maya at the HOT's yet. Since Maya and the MC finally had sex in EP7 and Maya trusts the MC, I could imagine that the MC together with Maya can convince the father. Maybe at a Sunday dinner. Therefore, Maya (I hope it) will move to MC in DIK Mansion.

Homo MC

 

[Zirael Q]

That's the only situation where I ran out of money, and having skipped the minigames I basically had to replay everything from the party to the pink rose and turn down Rusty's offer to have some $ with me at the end

Mistake ! One doesn't reject free money. It'd disappear anyways, so I easily gave Riona my $$$$$. Right after that, I easily made $$$ anyways

 

[Zirael Q]

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well MC calls her that so...

 

[dalli_x]

Sage could pretty much have any guy she wants, just look at her.

I agree with you there. But Sage wants a reliable guy.

 

[felicemastronzo]

Mistake ! One doesn't reject free money. It'd disappear anyways, so I easily gave Riona my $$$$$. Right after that, I easily made $$$ anyways

it was because they disappeared at the end of the party that I had to give them up.

and give up all temptation in the Pink Rose, except Envy of course...

 

[dalli_x]

M&J both loose in a sense they're less popular but

Seducing Josy is defnitly one of the hottest moments . and when she goes home with
MC after hot party is one of most romantic (cute) moment .

Hangout - movies with Maya is also one of cutest moments

seducing Josy still feels like cheating on Maya and vice versa .

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They've been together for a while but other stories overshadows theirs and we get very little from them
(it was mainly the loan drama and patrick )

So yes Josy is better without Maya and Maya is better without Josy.
They do have their moments though .

but maybe just maybe they'll surprise us all and do something awesome in ch8
if not M&J going to get boring .and the open relationship with MC isnt helping .

I will repeat myself. With a throuple everything should be the same.
EP5 = Sex with Josy
EP6 = threesome sex
EP7 Scene 1= No sex with Josy (All three must suffer from the breakup) But it is very important to play the guitar for Josy the next morning.
EP7 Scene 2 = Sex with Maya (Don't forget the TV) Josy is not alone in Hot's house. The MC has to cum in Maya's face.
EP7 Scene 3 = Get into a relationship with Josy.

There is no big difference in the order between Josy/Maya/MC.

If one goes only on Josy or only on Maya this could later lead to a separation from the MC.

 

[DavDR]

We are all assuming it’s a traditional student loan. As in it has caveats on how it’s spent.

This whole loan-argument-disbelief-thing becomes easily explained if it’s just a regular loan where her father is the primary and she co-signed it.

The only unbelievable part there is that at 18 she had the credit score to be a co-signer. Which isn’t a massive issue if her father was in good standing.

If it’s a regular loan and she’s the co-signer rather than the primary he would control the cash and her credit score would still be burdened with the loan.

She can’t get another student loan, he legally controls the cash and shes at his mercy for tuition to be paid. Just like the story says.

I never had an issue with the student loan thing because I just assumed she was the co-signer not the primary and thus she had all the burden of the debt on her credit score and none of the control.

I don’t consider it a secondary reality breaking suspension of disbelief to think at 18 she had a decent credit score. Short of us actually seeing the fucking fictional loan contract this will never be settled but there’s logical and consistent consistent with the story circumstances where Maya could be in this position.

I'm not sure what the laws are exactly on this one, but it's highly unlikely that a loan could be taken out without a clearly stated (and proven) purpose. Bank's follow up on that sort of thing, if only because regulators pay close attention (most banking laws, at their base purpose, have to do with tax avoidance and money laundering). As far as Maya as a co-signer, that's simply impossible. The bank simply would not allow the weight of the loan to be shifted to someone with absolutely no way to pay it.

Felice's point though was that the details behind the loan were totally superfluous, it's not something that we needed to know for the purposes of the story.

 

[felicemastronzo]

I will repeat myself. With a throuple everything should be the same.
EP5 = Sex with Josy
EP6 = threesome sex
EP7 Scene 1= No sex with Josy (All three must suffer from the breakup) But it is very important to play the guitar for Josy the next morning.
EP7 Scene 2 = Sex with Maya (Don't forget the TV) Josy is not alone in Hot's house. The MC has to cum in Maya's face.
EP7 Scene 3 = Get into a relationship with Josy.

There is no big difference in the order between Josy/Maya/MC.

If one goes only on Josy or only on Maya this could later lead to a separation from the MC.

I think so too, and it will be the next shit storm...

with Josy leaving MC because he gave her too much attention and neglected Maya.

I can't wait.

 

[AchedCroissant]

well MC calls her that so...

Following that logic the MC also says that "Quinn is evil" so do we trust him or not?

 

[DavDR]

Pretty sure DPC has said from the get go that he had the main plot points (and I'd say the student loan is one of them, as it's the primary device used from the very beginning to shape Maya's path) all decided before even the first release. It's the small details and "how do we get from a to b" that are continuously evolving.

You guys are remarkably trusting at taking the literal word of someone who is trying to sell you something. A used car salesman or an insurance agent would eat you alive.

 

[Tserriednich'sNen]

Oh wow so now we are complaining about not being able to help Riona out cuz you didn't get her lewd scene? Well too bad, that's the way Riona feels close enough to MC to ask for help. Saying it's stupid won't change it or make it stupid

Using that logic why can't she ask literally any other guy that she's hooking up with? MC has shown Riona a genuine level of concern for her situation regardless of weather they've had sex in the past or not. The fact that he has to be banging her to help her is dumb and silly imo.