VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[LuciferPrometheus]

Is the Halloween party going to be in this upcoming update? Or the one after this?

 

[sorco2003]

It's important to understand DPC's concept of dating/relationships/girlfriends. He's raised it numerous times through the other characters' expositions. The actual relationships in the game:

• Chad was in a relationship with Sage, hence the betrayal was considered a big deal
• Dawe is in a relationship with Arieth, hence he is definitely being cucked by the entire college
• Isabella was in a relationship with James, hence her struggles to move on
• Jade is in a relationship with Burke, hence fucking her when he's on the other side of the door is all the sweeter
• Jamie was in a relationship with Danny, hence he didn't want anyone telling her he fucked Arieth
• John Boy is in a relationship with Elena, hence the mc getting worried when she threatens to tell John Boy that he (the mc) offered to fuck her (of course that could end up happily anyway)
• Josy is in a relationship with Maya, hence the mc was disappointed when she told him after their first "date" at the park.
• Magnar is in a relationship with Sally, hence the miniscule amount of guilt the mc would feel if he fucked her in half
• Maya is in a relationship with Josy, hence the mc gets angry that a girl who was already in a relationship didn't tell him and lead him on
• Nick is in a relationship with Vinny, hence he pines over him every chance he can get!
• Tommy is in a relationship with Heather, but they have created some rules to allow it to be semi-open, and even then Tommy ignores the rules
• Pete is in a relationship with Monica, Pete sounds like an OK bloke, so maybe we won't be fucking Monica any time soon...

But technically the mc isn't in a serious relationship with anyone and he doesn't consider any of the girls his "girlfriend" yet. That's how DPC and his characters have framed it, but the mc is slowly starting to question just how serious he may be with some of the girls.

Well, but all that makes what happens with the MC and what he "feels/wants/has" more weird.
1- He tells Jill that he is falling in love/has fallen in love.
2- The whole drama queen with the rebound guy thing.
3- When Maya proposes the "no string attachment" thing, Josy and the MC ask in amazement (neither of them seem to agree).
Technically, yes, he doesn't have any serious relationship, but those three things make think differently (or at least he should keep quiet or play dumb when asked, or doubt to herself).

 

[felicemastronzo]

Well, but all that makes what happens with the MC and what he "feels/wants/has" more weird.
1- He tells Jill that he is falling in love/has fallen in love.
2- The whole drama queen with the rebound guy thing.
3- When Maya proposes the "no string attachment" thing, Josy and the MC ask in amazement (neither of them seem to agree).
Technically, yes, he doesn't have any serious relationship, but those three things make think differently (or at least he should keep quiet or play dumb when asked, or doubt to herself).

That's how I see it, too, and they are all moments when we have no control over MC, when we look at what DPC wants to tell us.

the one with Maya and Josy I still see as a kind of retcon, at that moment the game potentially would have ended, MC has fulfilled his dream of being with Maya and Josy, there was a need to reopen the game, and this task is given to Maya

the one with Jill is instead the most significant one: MC declares himself, in case he has other relationships he wonders if he should close them (which as players we cannot do, indeed we can only close with Jill... and indirectly with Bella). it really seems like a declaration of intent.

 

[dalli_x]

Even the way he greets the mc at the HOTs party, it's obvious he doesn't want the war between the DIKs and the Alphas. Anthony's only crime is fucking his friend's girl, but it's Arieth, so far only the MC and that lying fuck Nick haven't fucked her, so Anthony can be excused.

Nick fucked Arieth. The MC and Derek did not fuck Arieth. At least that's what it says at the DIK surprise party for the MC.

 

[Kukipett]

actually the very fact that the Jocks are at that party is quite strange.
in the chapter before, not a thousand years before, after lunch, if MC accompanies Sage home, Dawe calls Sage a whore, but for the sake of the party all is forgiven

when a girl is so annoyed by the presence of her ex is never a good sign, probably in the look when Chad leaves we read too much into it
Sage likes to be the one who jokingly gives the grades, being judged insufficient by Chad is something that I think she can't get over, finding out that she couldn't really compete maybe will make her really close this part of her life

The jocks are at the party because DPC needed some opponents to give the MC something to chew on!! Nothing more, nothing less!
And about Chad and Sage, it shows much about Sage and not very good things.
Seriously why did Sage choose Chad, he never was smart or very kind or gave her any sex and she is a sex freak !!
She choose him for the muscles, she loved his figure that's all and Chad took that oppotunity to hide his true relation.
So we have a girl, Sage who is mostly interested by the figure of her lovers and for the MC it's the same, he's handsome and so he became her fuckbuddy.
She is not really interested in the MC and he totally understands it, he told her he wanted more but she didn't seem to really get it.
Even when they are closer during the HOT's party she seems mostly annoyed by Chad's presence and uses the MC once again to make him leave.
So for me Sage is just a superficial girl who needs a good fuck, who fantasize on muscular men who will fuck her brains out and who hates to be rejected as a spoiled child. She wants Chad because she has decided so and she won't abandon that idea easily.
She is the female version of most MC in our games !!

 

[JETracktor]

Nick fucked Arieth. The MC and Derek did not fuck Arieth. At least that's what it says at the DIK surprise party for the MC.

Nick may lie cuz he didn't got crabs from Arieth (but still those surprise diseases sometimes misses the target). Derek will fuck Arieth if MC didn't gone to Maya after shot battle in ep 2.

 

[Kukipett]

Nick fucked Arieth. The MC and Derek did not fuck Arieth. At least that's what it says at the DIK surprise party for the MC.

I want to fuck Arieth, the hell with the crabs, i can scratch myself a bit if what she does is worth it. I guess i could make her do really nasty things, she seems to like dog food, maybe i could convince her to suck a dog and make a good video from it!

 

[felicemastronzo]

The jocks are at the party because DPC needed some opponents to give the MC something to chew on!! Nothing more, nothing less!
And about Chad and Sage, it shows much about Sage and not very good things.
Seriously why did Sage choose Chad, he never was smart or very kind or gave her any sex and she is a sex freak !!
She choose him for the muscles, she loved his figure that's all and Chad took that oppotunity to hide his true relation.
So we have a girl, Sage who is mostly interested by the figure of her lovers and for the MC it's the same, he's handsome and so he became her fuckbuddy.
She is not really interested in the MC and he totally understands it, he told her he wanted more but she didn't seem to really get it.
Even when they are closer during the HOT's party she seems mostly annoyed by Chad's presence and uses the MC once again to make him leave.
So for me Sage is just a superficial girl who needs a good fuck, who fantasize on muscular men who will fuck her brains out and who hates to be rejected as a spoiled child. She wants Chad because she has decided so and she won't abandon that idea easily.
She is the female version of most MC in our games !!

the pairing of cheerleader and school sports ace is a great classic, also as a matter of fame it is a pair that tends to form automatically.

I've said many times that among all the LIs, the relationship with Sage is the most potentially destructive one for MC, being with a girl who keeps on keeping you emotionally in the freezer is very complicated

even the epilogue of the rebound guy goes in this direction, MC asks for time, Sage pretends to accept but forces her hand. if you're born fuckbuddy, you die fuckbuddy, at least for now

 

[sorco2003]

the pairing of cheerleader and school sports ace is a great classic, also as a matter of fame it is a pair that tends to form automatically.

I've said many times that among all the LIs, the relationship with Sage is the most potentially destructive one for MC, being with a girl who keeps on keeping you emotionally in the freezer is very complicated

even the epilogue of the rebound guy goes in this direction, MC asks for time, Sage pretends to accept but forces her hand. if you're born fuckbuddy, you die fuckbuddy, at least for now

That's exactly what I thought about the relationship with Sage, fuckbuddies for ever, since she's about to graduate, having the (bad) experience of a long relationship, the MC just starting college.... many things against her... and yet she's still up there in my preferences, only that the rebound guy thing did very badly to the development of the story.

 

[dalli_x]

Nick may lie cuz he didn't got crabs from Arieth (but still those surprise diseases sometimes misses the target). Derek will fuck Arieth if MC didn't gone to Maya after shot battle in ep 2.

Yeah that just occurred to me too. When the MC doesn't go to Maya in Ep2, he makes out with Sage and Derek fucks Arieth. My MC always goes to Maya.

But by my MC going tou Maya, maybe Sage fucks with Derek and thereby gets Sage on Team Maya.

By the way, if you want 2 Joys's and 2 Maya's you have to go to Derek in EP4 and search through Bert Kommode in the Freeroam event. There is an order on how to open the drawers.

1-3-2-4-3

After that, in drawer 4, the fashion newspaper falls. It is the only one where both sides are visible. With Sage and Jill, only one page is visible at a time. With Sage there are two Maya's and a Josy and with Jill there is one Maya and two Josy's. (3=4)

Then you only have to fuck Josy in EP7 at the first opportunity and afterwards cuddle with her on the sofa. The second Maya you get when the MC then also plays guitar for Josy (Maya EP3). Josy in the pool, is the Josy from EP2 and EP4. The Josy at the party is the one from EP1 and EP3. The EP1 and EP3 Josy is the Maya.

 

[felicemastronzo]

That's exactly what I thought about the relationship with Sage, fuckbuddies for ever, since she's about to graduate, having the (bad) experience of a long relationship, the MC just starting college.... many things against her... and yet she's still up there in my preferences, only that the rebound guy thing did very badly to the development of the story.

the same for me, but in real life it would be the one I would keep, or try to keep, away from the most.

it was a segment that needed to be better prepared
it was enough that on those couple of occasions when we can get MC to express his feelings were mandatory

an MC who repeatedly declares to be in love with Sage it makes sense that at some point he wants to force his hand and make her aware of the situation too

so instead it was a passage, theoretically important, but that already seems to have run out of meaning

 

[shazba]

Well, but all that makes what happens with the MC and what he "feels/wants/has" more weird.
1- He tells Jill that he is falling in love/has fallen in love.
2- The whole drama queen with the rebound guy thing.
3- When Maya proposes the "no string attachment" thing, Josy and the MC ask in amazement (neither of them seem to agree).
Technically, yes, he doesn't have any serious relationship, but those three things make think differently (or at least he should keep quiet or play dumb when asked, or doubt to herself).

1. That's what I meant when I said he's starting question the seriousness of it all. The threat of losing Jill (Tybalt's blackmail) made him think he really didn't want to lose Jill, therefore he does want to pursue a more serious relationship with her.
2. Yeah I've got no response to the MC's fucking ridiculous behaviour when he denies Sage after the workout. That scene had two acceptable endings, he either fucked Sage, or Josy came flying in outta nowhere and kicked him in the balls for being such a fucking idiot.
3. I don't think the mc was shocked because he didn't want that outcome, I mean the fact that he was asking about all those things means he wasn't really looking for exclusivity at that point. I think he was just a little shocked that Maya suggested it. Josy, on the other hand, is a mess of self doubt, so she was not entirely happy at the suggestion. That's not to say the girls are happy with him flirting with other girls (the Becky lunch discussion for example, he loses points with both girls if he admits to flirting with a lot of girls).

On the whole, emotions aren't easily controlled. You can make a rational decision or observation but that doesn't change how your emotions choose to behave. Open relationships and dating multiple girls, even with their awareness, is a fucking emotional minefield.

Nick fucked Arieth. The MC and Derek did not fuck Arieth. At least that's what it says at the DIK surprise party for the MC.

Yeah, Nick looked cagey as fuck when he suggested he fucked Arieth. That cunt is a lying sack of shit. I wouldn't trust him as far as I could kick him.

the pairing of cheerleader and school sports ace is a great classic, also as a matter of fame it is a pair that tends to form automatically.

I've said many times that among all the LIs, the relationship with Sage is the most potentially destructive one for MC, being with a girl who keeps on keeping you emotionally in the freezer is very complicated

even the epilogue of the rebound guy goes in this direction, MC asks for time, Sage pretends to accept but forces her hand. if you're born fuckbuddy, you die fuckbuddy, at least for now

When the mc asks Sage about how she likes being the president, she says at first it was a status thing, and she even suggests it's something that looks good on your resume.

So she went into it to look good and for future gain, so that could have also been her motive for initially paring up with Chad, and possibly why she stuck with him, but it's definitely hard to accept she stayed with him for a few years while their relationship went nowhere.

After Sage was dumped by Chad she definitely set her sights on the mc:

1. By her own admission she felt unsexy and the mc was always a sure cure for that; and
2. I don't think she likes not being in a relationship.

But given the two of them already had a solid friendship and it was sexual, I think taking the relationship further was a given. She'd already rebounded to the mc while her relationship with Chad was tanking, now that it's over, I think she is really serious about the mc, just a little afraid to say so.

 

[Voilsh]

I'm starting the game and I'm confused about the "dik/chick" system:
- is going through dik makes the mc an asshole ?
- is going through chick makes mc some kind of female dominated character? Or maybe it's a bad ending?
- Or maybe it's dik that is the bad ending?
- How about neutral?

In essence, what is the difference between the two, and if they're equivalent what gives you the longer story line?

 

[dalli_x]

Now I have something to laugh or cry about. Everyone must decide for themselves. Pay attention to the book and read the text of KRJ answer.

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[felicemastronzo]

1. After Sage was dumped by Chad she definitely set her sights on the mc:
2. By her own admission she felt unsexy and the mc was always a sure cure for that; and
3. I don't think she likes not being in a relationship.

But given the two of them already had a solid friendship and it was sexual, I think taking the relationship further was a given. She'd already rebounded to the mc while her relationship with Chad was tanking, now that it's over, I think she is really serious about the mc, just a little afraid to say so.

From a game point of view it is normal that the relationship will have to progress. Now that the relationship with Chad is over what reason would there be not to move on?

Between fuckbuddy and rebound guy it's not like there's this profound difference.

for now it's only MC who has exposed himself (even to the embarrassment), Sage's position has remained practically the same even if there's no more Chad, it could be in the future, who knows, more likely with MC than with a total stranger

 

[Deleted member 3428287]

I´m not the biggest fan of this system. I like the DIK/NEUTRAL/CHIK affinity system, but I think that there would be better to get rid of the DIK/CHIK points and just have a system of points a bit more sophisticated that the actual one for every character, related with the behavior of the MC with every specific character and the related characters.

I'm a fan of the system cause mc can beat guys up despite being a CHICK or he can choose not to fight despite being a DIK.
Unless he goes massive DIK or massive CHICK, but this is optional so I see nothing wrong with it.

 

[Marley300]

Nick fucked Arieth. The MC and Derek did not fuck Arieth. At least that's what it says at the DIK surprise party for the MC.

Derek can still fuck Arieth in a parallel universe. You have to win the shot battle and stay at the party. Then the MC will be the only one on Arieth's To Do list.

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The jocks are at the party because DPC needed some opponents to give the MC something to chew on!! Nothing more, nothing less!
And about Chad and Sage, it shows much about Sage and not very good things.
Seriously why did Sage choose Chad, he never was smart or very kind or gave her any sex and she is a sex freak !!
She choose him for the muscles, she loved his figure that's all and Chad took that oppotunity to hide his true relation.
So we have a girl, Sage who is mostly interested by the figure of her lovers and for the MC it's the same, he's handsome and so he became her fuckbuddy.
She is not really interested in the MC and he totally understands it, he told her he wanted more but she didn't seem to really get it.
Even when they are closer during the HOT's party she seems mostly annoyed by Chad's presence and uses the MC once again to make him leave.
So for me Sage is just a superficial girl who needs a good fuck, who fantasize on muscular men who will fuck her brains out and who hates to be rejected as a spoiled child. She wants Chad because she has decided so and she won't abandon that idea easily.
She is the female version of most MC in our games !!

Sage looked very superficial, that was also a complaint from the MC in episode 1. But she's actually smarter than she looks, both in school work and in emotional intelligence.

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And even though she wanted to be fucked by a handsome muscular man, I'm sure that now what she really wants is a true genuine relationship.

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I'm starting the game and I'm confused about the "dik/chick" system:
- is going through dik makes the mc an asshole ?
- is going through chick makes mc some kind of female dominated character? Or maybe it's a bad ending?
- Or maybe it's dik that is the bad ending?
- How about neutral?

In essence, what is the difference between the two, and if they're equivalent what gives you the longer story line?

Well, right now there is no proof that the DiK path or the chick path can lead to bad endings. It just depends on what style you play. To sum it up :

- Dik path : you can sleep with as many girls you want, the best way to get all the Side girls.
- Chick path : The best way to get all the Main girls
- Neutral path : best of both worlds

There are some lewd scene that can only be seen in the Dik or the Chick path. Not necessarily female domination in the chick path, but more heartwarming and cute scenes...
The Dik path can make your MC into a lovable asshole but he's nothing compared to the antagonists of the game.

What's important in the game is to follow your heart or your Dick

 

[Darkdevil66]

I'm starting the game and I'm confused about the "dik/chick" system:
- is going through dik makes the mc an asshole ?
- is going through chick makes mc some kind of female dominated character? Or maybe it's a bad ending?
- Or maybe it's dik that is the bad ending?
- How about neutral?

In essence, what is the difference between the two, and if they're equivalent what gives you the longer story line?

The game is far from being over so we can't tell about the ending or the long term consequences. Overall the Dik path implies fighting, banging a lot of chicks and doing crazy stuff. The Chick path is calmer more moderate . The neutral path is a kind of compromise but in the long term the game will try to lock you into one of the two affinity. Except for Sage, love interests like the Chick more. Some LI's can't even be pursued on the Dik path, for now. On the other hand, the DIK is more popular with the side and secondary girls.

In terms of story line there isn't a lot of big difference except for the fact the DIK path unlocks more sex scenes.

 

[dalli_x]

Now I have something to laugh or cry about. Everyone must decide for themselves. Pay attention to the book and read the text of KRJ answer.

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By the way, I just discovered something else because of Isabella and KRJ's answers. KRJ has a hearing aid of 44dB.

When the MC tries to call Josy in EP1, where he is with Bella, he ends up with Neil. The MC has a bit of a blackout. Neil a caring father tries to reach his son and Bella answers the MC's cell phone. Bella and Neil get to know each other. They also already have one thing in common. I have only favorite song. Now let's take KRJ's 44dB as an ingredient.

44 Dad's birthday.

Maybe DPC wants to make the game so that Bella becomes the MC's stepmother.

 

[felicemastronzo]

of all the paths, the neutral one seems to me to be the least natural, the most hypocritical, because it is the one in which the individual choices weigh the least and ultimately becomes an exercise in balancing

let's take the one big prohibition for DIKs: the trouple

if we are Quinn's best clients and friends, it's okay that the girls don't trust us.

but if we're the restaurant's best (non-paying) customer, we love sex, drugs and rock 'n roll, but we've been careful to be nice to Steve and Troy, then the gates of heaven will open anyway...

from a playability point of view being neutral is clearly the best choice, plus it leaves the most room for manoeuvre now that affinity will tend to lock in, but from a role play point of view it ends up being a job for accountants

Right now, however, the choice is essentially one:
DIK : Quinn
Not DIK: Maya and Josy


the other differences are individual scenes, but you stay on track for everything.