VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[noirjazz]

thinking of replaying the game before the update. calling it the cum before the storm.

 

[AchedCroissant]

jose

 

[inevitableandinfinity8]

common don't be angry with daddy , Daddy has lost of beauty in his harem so some times he forget some spellings. Let it go and sit on my leg.

 

[jackofshadows]

Again, the key is how all those storylines will be resolved, is DPC going to wave the magic wand and they resolve because they have to since the game is over, or will each of them be resolved in a way that makes sense, meaning some bad, some good and some just wont. Thats where the cheese is, where art comes in, where you can ask "was it all just a cheap pull on the heartstrings?" or did the resolve he had in mind reach a level where you can say "Wow, didnt see that one coming, hats off".

Not really. The execution matter at all stages. In this game things are mostly just happen. The characters are so entwined it's insane. The plot's full of coincidents and contrivances, there's dozens of examples. It's not about which themes are examined, it's about how. And yes, it's a soap opera level, because the focus is on emotional output, not on getting things uh, straight and sensible.

So no, one doesn't have to wait until the story fully unfolds in order to evaluate the level of writing here. Not to mention that DPC himself isn't hiding his sources of inspirations, which are American Pie and movies alike. Very lowbrow pieces of entertainment except that there's nothing wrong in enjoying those as long as you're aware of again, the level of it.

It's all comes to standarts and to cultural baggage in general. But it's fair to say that by porn games standarts, BaDIK's writing is relatively competent.

 

[CHAD-MAN]

Good lord, I had to repeat episode 6 and 7 due to save bugs. Lets just say that in these two episodes alone there'e enough content and play time to shame 98% of the games in these foruns, holy hell these are LONG!

 

[Naxer]

Just before this conversation gets deleted.

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Actually that’s Spain. Jesus.

Nope, that map it's totally wrong. It's actually sixteen here in Spain according to our Penal Code.

 

[TimHawk]

Not really. The execution matter at all stages. In this game things are mostly just happen. The characters are so entwined it's insane. The plot's full of coincidents and contrivances, there's dozens of examples. It's not about which themes are examined, it's about how. And yes, it's a soap opera level, because the focus is on emotional output, not on getting things uh, straight and sensible.

So no, one doesn't have to wait until the story fully unfolds in order to evaluate the level of writing here. Not to mention that DPC himself isn't hiding his sources of inspirations, which are American Pie and movies alike. Very lowbrow pieces of entertainment except that there's nothing wrong in enjoying those as long as you're aware of again, the level of it.

It's all comes to standarts and to cultural baggage in general. But it's fair to say that by porn games standarts, BaDIK's writing is relatively competent.

Not really. DPC is not telling a story from the birth of a person to their death, he choose to start his story at the College level and people from 18-22 DO have baggage. I dont know if you went or not, but that kinda drama - Home, Parents, Grade pressure, love, drugs - not that rare. As said before that it all happens within the orbit of the MC, obviously unrealistic, but DPC has only that scope to tell his story.

And YES, the progression and resolution of those story lines is the key to judging the work as a whole, since they are told either in backflashes or the interaction of the MC with other characters, we dont live them first hand, we are beeing told.

It's before halftime, and I would totally agree that he has opened many ( maybe even too many ) storylines with a lot of different characters, but if he can pull of a believeable progression and solution then he obviously has a good grasp on his talents and his limits. Now I dont know if he can or not, Im eager to find out, but untill we have all the backstory and see the progression any judgement is premature.

 

[Sorrow_Harvester]

there has been 2 that I am aware of
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Sage , Jill and Bella are the top 3 both here and patreon
none of the other girls even comes close

Well deserved for them.

 

[jackofshadows]

Not really. DPC is not telling a story from the birth of a person to their death, he choose to start his story at the College level and people from 18-22 DO have baggage. I dont know if you went or not, but that kinda drama - Home, Parents, Grade pressure, love, drugs - not that rare. As said before that it all happens within the orbit of the MC, obviously unrealistic, but DPC has only that scope to tell his story.

And YES, the progression and resolution of those story lines is the key to judging the work as a whole, since they are told either in backflashes or the interaction of the MC with other characters, we dont live them first hand, we are beeing told.

It's before halftime, and I would totally agree that he has opened many ( maybe even too many ) storylines with a lot of different characters, but if he can pull of a believeable progression and solution then he obviously has a good grasp on his talents and his limits. Now I dont know if he can or not, Im eager to find out, but untill we have all the backstory and see the progression any judgement is premature.

I was saying about player's baggage, not character's. In a sense that (and again, by trying not to look like a total snob/cunt - will say once more that enjoying lowbrow is a ok thing to do) - if you have a decent cultural baggage (have read classics, watched classics, hell, played games with top-notch level of writing - good luck with finding them), then you can see all the cheap tricks and obvious flaws from a mile away.

Regarding the "unfairness" of current game state evaluation: thing is, the author will not re-write any existing events, paths and I'm sure even all the concrete dialogues. It's all, including said contrivances there already. All we'll be able to evaluate later is how the plot and the personal arcs will end. Yes, of course it might affect the overall impressions/rating/whatever but it will not change the nature of this piece of work as a whole, nor its level in general.

 

[Deleted member 4212304]

If you respond to an extreme position with an extreme one, you are not doing yourself a good service.

are all sluts at BR? is this really your answer to the fact that Jill has friendship only with a teacher? and that she makes friends on the fly with the only girl (who would also answer to the generic identikit of slut... but in the positive sense) towards whom she knows the only boy she has ever been interested in has feelings?

BADIk is an extremely light story, with no particular clockwork mechanism that makes people cry out for a miracle, where almost every situation is handled according to emotional outbursts that justify any outcome (they all run away for the least believable reasons ..)

but there is only one point on which I don't agree with you at all: the fact that there is this extreme attention to detail, DPC takes great care in creating "verisimilitude" especially in the dialogues, where he tries to take into account everything that happened, but then blatantly ignores certain situations, which would have their own importance, but would complicate his work.

so we have Chad's shoes in Troy's room (how many times did it happen to you to leave your shoes at the house of a girl with whom you had a clandestine relationship? did you come back barefoot?), and at the same time Josy is punished by her parents for having dinner with a boy (if Mc stays it makes sense, otherwise not at all. or do you want to tell me that Josy's beloved father is more bigoted than Maya's father?) and many other intersections that for simplicity DPC has decided simply not to handle

BADIK is an exceptional entertainment, which is light years from the average of the games of this genre (mainly because of the very low average), and probably will also have a positive effect as an example on other productions. but it is a soap opera, a telenovelas, not the Murder on the Orient Express

I don't have a problem with BADIk being what it is, cheap fun schlock, but people need to recognize that it is what it is. DPC doesn't claim that it's high art, or some kind of tight narrative. It's objective is to coherently string together a series of increasingly debatched sexual encounters, which it does well enough.

 

[rj677]

This is a pretty well discussed topic. Quinn fans are hopeful for the redemption arc while others are hopeful for the "lock her up and throw away the key" option.
To me, my observations are pointing towards Quinn softening up to MC so much that she's going to attempt to change how she acts. We already see a drastic difference in her attitude towards MC verses the beginning episodes. As we progress towards future episodes, that attitude is going to change exponentially in favor of MC. A lot of folks don't understand the complexity of her story because they're resigned to the belief of "Quinn is evil" and they don't even bother to play her path.

I've run out of "likes" to pay out. So I can only offer this meagre token.



Quinn is definitely my favourite character to follow in this game. That's not to say I like her the most, but I definitely like what is going on with her.

There are plenty of signs of Quinn falling for the mc, but the most "out of character" response, where she doesn't just give a subtle look but actually says something, is when (and I say "when" not "if") the mc says, "I like you" and she responds with:

Spoiler: Um... You don't have to pay me for that.

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I reckon this is an opportunity missed. There are so many great facial expressions from Quinn as she evolves from Queen Cunt into a ball of love for the mc, and I would have loved to have seen an almost shy look on her face as she admitted outright that she simply likes to be with the mc and isn't doing it for any monetary gain. Still, there are so many good Quinn scenes, I can't complain.

After reading almost 50 pages of this thread (and finding out that I missed the release of the preview with my 2 favourite LIs , damm Im disappointed I missed that ), I have finally caught up with the thread.

I wont dive into the discussion about the preview because Im simply too late to the party and because everything, one way or another, was already said

One thing that I always found to be my guilty pleasure on this thread is peoples opinions of Quinn and their expectations for her character.
Quinn was always in my top 3 girls in this game... YES, even throughout the first episodes . I always liked her bitchy give 0 fucks about everyone type of attitude. She gave this game a sense of adventure, edginess, and challenge that was nothing like we have seen from other characters. (And I now a lot of 0Day Quinn Fans thought the same as me )

Then episodes 5/6/7(more on 6 and 7) came and it was truly funny seeing people saying things like "maybe shes not that EVIL" or "maybe she can CHANGE"

The 2 words highlighted are what I dont agree about the posts Im responding (at least they were giving me the vibe of those words)... I DONT WANT Quinn to CHANGE/ATTEMPT TO CHANGE because of the MC. I DONT WANT DPC to do a complete 180 on her character (As always, its my opinion). People seem to be more into Quinn because of what she could be and not because of how she is now ...

Quinn getting a BIT more sensitive towards the MC like in the later episodes? Sure, I was and still am down for that. But thats all the sensivity I need, or else Quinn will slowly turn into Jill .

To sum up my point: I still want Quinn to be the Evil Queen Bitch to everyone else, even to the MC as a way of challenge when in public. When shes alone with the MC, I want Quinn to be just like she is now: Easygoing, challenging with how she talks with the MC, confident of herself and that always takes/gets what she wants. And most importantly: a Succubus in bed that the MC has to work really hard to please and to punish

Quinn being a ball of love, shy and softening up even more??? Who is this person, dont do my girl like this

 

[ChipLecsap]

It's Been 34 days since my last Josy dose.
Luckily my addiction can be handled briefly with some Alternative Medicine.
This time the prescription was provided by lockhear

 

[OFT]

Jesus. I'm gone for 24 hours, and this thread sailed into dangerous waters.

 

[JETracktor]

It's Been 34 days since my last Josy dose.
Luckily my addiction can be handled briefly with some Alternative Medicine.
This time the prescription was provided by lockhear

It doesn't even look like Josy. Some people suggest you need a professional help but I think you need a better visual author

 

[Zirael Q]

If you go like this.

Jill and Bella is still possible because of the conversation they had in bed. He teased some secual relationship between these two there

You can also deduce the exact opposite from their talk there. It's not very possible at this situation imo.
Even if it could happen, it won't happen due to how things happen. Let's see :

To get Jill and Bella, you MUST show interest in both of them. Meaning you gotta push for Bella and Jill at the same time.
In that scenario, while MC is wooing her, Jill has no idea what happens between MC and Bella. If OR when Jill learns this, she'll get heartbroken, probably will cut both MC and Bella out of her life. That's what a normal person would do at least.

Additionally to shut this possibility off, 2 key scenes that happen when MC goes for Jill and Bella:
1-The day MC and Jill's first date happened, Bella was incredibly angry at everyone. She was on edge. She was doubting her decision to let Jill have him, and clearly was jealous. But when MC came to the library, she dropped it immediately, because she was relieved. Relieved that MC came back to her, relieved that she was on her mind. Possibly relieved that they didn't take it far right away. Possible Bella/MC scenario doesn't have a room for anyone. For MC's sake too, Bella will devour him. A 2nd one would be too much for him lmao
2-Tyballs's presentation, when Jill finds out MC was sexually involved with others, she gets VERY upset. Even when they weren't in a relationship. Imagine her reaction to MC or Bella offering "that"

 

[felicemastronzo]

Now, I'm no rocket surgeon, but I'm pretty sure she wasn't punished for having dinner with a boy. The much more probable outcome is that it was because she basically got caught fuckin' in her parents bed.

Which, all things being equal, is not unreasonable.

the point is exactly that

if Mc stays over to "sleep" at Josy's, it makes sense for the parents to punish her, but they do it anyway, even if MC leaves right after dinner, which doesn't make much sense, but Josy MUST be punished, otherwise she would have the phone

Its not about positive or negative, you can like it or hate it, that wont change my enjoyment, just as mine doesnt change yours.

Its about the foundations beeing there, and you comparing it to "Murder on the Orient Express", read it again stop at 40-50% and THEN make a comparison. DPC adresses problems that are very common in society, granted I can only speak for US society and my problem with your prior post is that you sum that up as "soap opera", because to me that would make life a soap opera.

Now if these problems dont exist in your country, and in that case I can understand how it would feel too fantastical, kudos to you and your country, but I can assure you they are as real as it gets here.

I still don't understand what you're talking about

I probably didn't explain myself well...

I mentioned "murder on the orient express," as an example of a very neat plot, like the mechanism of a clock. BADIk is not and does not want to be, and I do not need to see how it will continue, because it is clear that this is not its goal.

the themes it deals with (homosexuality, difficult families) have nothing to do with what i have said

you are the one who gives a strange and negative meaning to the term soap opera, in them everything happens, people die, get sick, change sex, and everything revolves around the sentimental events, which are the pivot of the plot

 

[Pendrell]

After reading almost 50 pages of this thread (and finding out that I missed the release of the preview with my 2 favourite LIs , damm Im disappointed I missed that ), I have finally caught up with the thread.

I wont dive into the discussion about the preview because Im simply too late to the party and because everything, one way or another, was already said

One thing that I always found to be my guilty pleasure on this thread is peoples opinions of Quinn and their expectations for her character.
Quinn was always in my top 3 girls in this game... YES, even throughout the first episodes . I always liked her bitchy give 0 fucks about everyone type of attitude. She gave this game a sense of adventure, edginess, and challenge that was nothing like we have seen from other characters. (And I now a lot of 0Day Quinn Fans thought the same as me )

Then episodes 5/6/7(more on 6 and 7) came and it was truly funny seeing people saying things like "maybe shes not that EVIL" or "maybe she can CHANGE"

The 2 words highlighted are what I dont agree about the posts Im responding (at least they were giving me the vibe of those words)... I DONT WANT Quinn to CHANGE/ATTEMPT TO CHANGE because of the MC. I DONT WANT DPC to do a complete 180 on her character (As always, its my opinion). People seem to be more into Quinn because of what she could be and not because of how she is now ...

Quinn getting a BIT more sensitive towards the MC like in the later episodes? Sure, I was and still am down for that. But thats all the sensivity I need, or else Quinn will slowly turn into Jill .

To sum up my point: I still want Quinn to be the Evil Queen Bitch to everyone else, even to the MC as a way of challenge when in public. When shes alone with the MC, I want Quinn to be just like she is now: Easygoing, challenging with how she talks with the MC, confident of herself and that always takes/gets what she wants. And most importantly: a Succubus in bed that the MC has to work really hard to please and to punish

Quinn being a ball of love, shy and softening up even more??? Who is this person, dont do my girl like this

I liked Quinn from the start too, so I see where you're coming from with this. If I'm honest though, the moments where we've seen her let her guard down have made me like her even more. That doesn't mean I want to see her become Jill - I like that she's "bad" - but I also like seeing her softer side, and the sense only the MC can bring that out in her.

Redemption, bad girl to the end, something in between...there are various routes DPC could take with her, and I think the jury's still out on his intentions. If I had to guess I'd bet there will ultimately be some sort of narrative pay-off for all these little moments he's putting in there, but who knows.

I trust DPC, though. For me, he's handled the development of the character and the relationship with the MC extraordinarily well, it's one of the triumphs of the game, and I can't wait to see where it goes.

 

[Zirael Q]

Again with Quinn redemption talks, really? What does she need to do that?
Apologizing to Maya?
Quitting drugs and dealing, instead of those, studying really hard and getting a tuition?
Shutting down the restaurant?
Stopping playing people around her?
Giving fucks?
Being nice and helpful to everyone?
Being a lovestruck teenie girl unable to do take initiative by herself?

Not sure if you caught it, but we already have one Maya. No need for a second one.

So far, Sage openly told her interest for MC.
From selling MC a threesome with her and Riona, now she literally asks MC to choose someone for a freebie. What were she saying at the beginning of the game? "I don't do freebies."
No sleepovers? MC did that.
At rooftop, she was saying "I don't suck anyone's dick.". After MC refused to pay for it, she said "Only this time.". Now, she asks for "permission" to do it. Ep 7 scene ending doesn't need any explanation. When she was sure MC was sleeping, showed how she really feels openly. That's fucking new there.
MC and Sage's scene changes depending on Quinn's affection level, she doesn't like seeing him fuck Sage, or someone else.

She's already changing, but this will be the extent of it. An MC on her path earns her trust and she lowers her barriers one by one. To outside, she's the same person. That won't change. And shouldn't, that's what makes Quinn interesting.

 

[inevitableandinfinity8]

Again with Quinn redemption talks, really? What does she need to do that?
Apologizing to Maya?
Quitting drugs and dealing, instead of those, studying really hard and getting a tuition?
Shutting down the restaurant?
Stopping playing people around her?
Giving fucks?
Being nice and helpful to everyone?
Being a lovestruck teenie girl unable to do take initiative by herself?

Not sure if you caught it, but we already have one Maya. No need for a second one.

So far, Sage openly told her interest for MC.
From selling MC a threesome with her and Riona, now she literally asks MC to choose someone for a freebie. What were she saying at the beginning of the game? "I don't do freebies."
No sleepovers? MC did that.
At rooftop, she was saying "I don't suck anyone's dick.". After MC refused to pay for it, she said "Only this time.". Now, she asks for "permission" to do it. Ep 7 scene ending doesn't need any explanation. When she was sure MC was sleeping, showed how she really feels openly. That's fucking new there.
MC and Sage's scene changes depending on Quinn's affection level, she doesn't like seeing him fuck Sage, or someone else.

She's already changing, but this will be the extent of it. An MC on her path earns her trust and she lowers her barriers one by one. To outside, she's the same person. That won't change. And shouldn't, that's what makes Quinn interesting.

I love Quinn :

It's interesting that the most complex and human love interest in the game is so divisive. Quinn comes from the most broken home with the least wealth, no family upon whom she can depend, no real friends, and a survival instinct she learned from her surroundings. Growing up in an environment where people have to have their fix at any cost or sell to people who have to have their fix at any cost teaches a person that being like the Jill's or even the Sage's of the world gets you hurt.

Quinn doesn't even know what real love is because she's never experienced it. Her entire life has been about what people can get from her and never about what anyone can do for her without a quid pro quo expectation of something in return. The MC could be her first true love interest in terms of someone who is not using her for anything and who genuinely likes her for the good qualities he knows she has behind the offensive sword and defensive shields she creates to keep people at a distance.

People don't come without baggage. Just because Quinn's baggage is more ostensible doesn't mean she is more flawed. Quinn's story has been told to a greater extent than has the story of other love interests. Perhaps when their stories are told they will be equally flawed in other ways. It might be best to reserve judgment on characters until the story has been told in its entirety.

 

[Klopdwerg]

"People really need to stop acting like DPC is a literary genius." - No they don't. The attention to detail to all the facets of the game is outstanding.

"It's not a masterpiece. It's not even competent really." - It's one of the most continuously entertaining games on this site. That's been achieved, among other things, due to the excellent literary style used throughout. I would go so far as to suggest it is an extremely competent creation.

"Why is Jill comically naïve beyond the point of plausibility? Because she was written that way, not because somebody would be a junior in college and be that way." - All characters in a story are created to service the plot. Jill is a sheltered, naïve woman. The seemingly obvious reason behind her sheltered upbringing was the untimely death of her rebellious sister.

"Why does she have no friends except Bella?" - Most of the girls at the college are total sluts. Not really Jill's kinda people. She befriends Josy quite easily. Nowhere has it been identified that she's painfully shy.

"Why does she live in the rich kid frat? Seriously, actually why does she? It makes no sense." - She's an honoured female guest in the frat. As a family member of the college's founders, it would make sense for the preps to invite her there to bolster their egos.

"Why is the fact that her family is rich and presumably big donors to the school some dark secret? For drama!" - It's not a secret. It's just that Jill realised the mc didn't know she was a Royce, it made her happy to know he liked her for her, and not because she was filthy rich.

"Why is Bella so mysterious about her past and where her husband is? For the intrigue." - That's kinda how you do intrigue; you don't tell the reader everything... Not sure how this can be an issue with the game.

"Why does Maya need a cosigner for student loans?" - She doesn't. Her dad tricked her into thinking she was locked into a loan so he could control her. It doesn't have to make sense to us, it's only require that Maya thinks she's over a barrel.

"Why is she a lesbian? Well she's not really, seeing as in the first month of college she potentially hooked up with this dude. Thus proving her dad right that if she was separated from Josy she'd not be gay. Don't think DPC thought that out all the way." - She's a bisexual girl who never had strong feeling with a guy before so she thought she was simply gay. Turns out the "girly" mc appeals to her. We know that because she discussed it with him.

Even though the dad's approach had the desired impact (from the dad's perspective), it doesn't mean the dad was right.

"Why is Josy dating Maya?" - It was an unexpected twist in the story. Lots of stories do that, it helps keep them interesting.

"Why do people cook up elaborate stories about how Josy and Tommy actually had sex or whatever..." - Hardly anyone is saying that. And most comments regarding incest are that there will be none in this game.

Seriously, all the answers to everything you're querying is in the game (except the Maya loan one).

Big fat Thumbs up for you Shaz for this summary. Right on the spot and even DPC couldn't be more clear.