VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[Casiope]

Any ideas on the part where Cathy is showing up at a new office? How do we think that will play out in the plot? Any ideas? Why show it if it isn't important to the future?

Cathy does not seem to be a popular character of Being a DIK, unlike Jade; the fact that she gets so few scenes is not to her advantage.

Perhaps the conclusion was intended to convince that she had definitely left Burgmeister & Royce. I see no evidence suggesting a connection between her new job and the current plots, unless we speculate some family tie from the employer (Rusty?). There was a missed opportunity to make her more engaging after the nude pic scandal, instead of a pathetic scene of the former teacher drowning her sorrows. Also, I found Cathy's physique ungraceful, with an almost masculine face, so I will not miss her, nor I wish her return.

 

[RukiRG]

What have you done?
You mentioned it.

Mention f95 on DPC discord, not here

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ugh, the interlude is a waste of time. Should of just kept working on season 3.

Interlude is a part of the story and a part of season 3

guys quick question: do you think downloading the game is a bit of a security risk? If you have like some passwords of important clients lol

Nothing have been found on BitDefender and Windows defender scans

 

[AchedCroissant]

Hooray, my birthday! Hey... wait a minute. My birthday isn't for another 2 years. YOU BASTARD!

Happy birthday BTW I had an uncle who had his birthday that day but it was celebrated on February 28 I don't know if it's the same with you

 

[AchedCroissant]

Good to know you can't trust anyone on DPC's discord server.

I think we never knew who the rat was and it's probably still here

 

[ename144]

Not just the walkthrough (that was just an easily accessible visual example), all DPCs communications, from the pre-release thread to now, even in his polls etc. He's made a hard distinction between main girls and side girls throughout development.

E8 wasn't the first time there were material differences in game between main & side girls. The MGs are still the only girls who have RP points for instance. Quinn & all the other SGs miss out, presumably because there's no planned 'relationship' with them. Perhaps more importantly, the MC is heavily involved with the MGs personal lives, regardless of whether he's pursuing them romantically or not. While it's possible for the MC to have next to nothing to do with Quinn & the other SGs should you choose. The difference has seemed pretty stark to me throughout the game.

Anything is possible, the question is what's likely. This scenario seems like pure conjecture to me.


I strongly disagree, I didn't find it sexually suggestive at all? The only titillating element was they were half naked. The bulk of the conversation was Bella getting pissed at Jill dredging up things she doesn't want to talk about, and Jill getting annoyed at Bella being rude & dismissive. Not one thing in that conversation suggested there had been any sexual intimacy between them to me?


Where as I would be pleasantly surprised if Quinn did get a full-blown main girl ending. I've enjoyed her gradually letting her guard down if the MC plays his cards right. Quinn is a great character, I just don't think she'll get an ending on par with the main girls.

I expect the finale to be an extension of the E8 endings. Lots of detail if you've chosen an MG to build a relationship with, less so if you went with others. Others will still have an endgame no doubt, it just won't revolve around an individual romantic relationship, more a recap of your many & varied flings, with Quinn featuring more prominently if you managed to bond with her.

DPC claims to have all the main plot points mapped out, I think it extremely unlikely anyone else will be joining the main girl roster at this point.

Of course my expectations could be completely wrong, but to me at least this seems a more plausible scenario based on what DPC has said & done with these characters so far.

It's conjecture, but I think it's reasonable conjecture given the evidence we've seen. Sure, the main 5 had RPs, but I don't consider that much different than the walkthrough distinction: you'd be hard pressed to know RPs exist without consulting the walkthrough (or delving into the code directly). If anything, you'd think Quinn must be more dependent on RPs than the others since her path can diverge much more than theirs.

To me, everything about the game suggests the choice at the crossroads will not be the final word on the matter. I say that because: the game emphasizes the player's interest in Maya or Josy separately despite not letting you pick them; Bella's marriage remains completely unexplained; Sage says to let her know if the MC's choice doesn't pan out; the Others branch specifically mentions the MC isn't ready for a relationship yet; the variation of the Others montage for those on Quinn's path goldenrule91 and shazba discussed; and the splashy return of Zoey.

All of that suggests the MC will at the very least need to reaffirm his decision before the end. If so, then it must be possible for the decision not to be affirmed. In that case, isn't it logical that girls who weren't LIs the first time could conceivably be LIs the second time? As we get closer to the end, the difficulty in accommodating them decreases. I'd be willing to bet Maya and Josy will eventually get solo paths. So why not Quinn or Zoey, too?

I strongly disagree, I didn't find it sexually suggestive at all? The only titillating element was they were half naked. The bulk of the conversation was Bella getting pissed at Jill dredging up things she doesn't want to talk about, and Jill getting annoyed at Bella being rude & dismissive. Not one thing in that conversation suggested there had been any sexual intimacy between them to me?

It's not just that they're half naked, it's that the discussion started because they were looking at each other in bed. Moreover, Bella knocked her wedding photo off the stand once Jill left, clearly linking something about the topic to her failed marriage. As I said, to me the implication is obvious. But as established, DPC likes to mislead us. So I say it's too obvious.

 

[felicemastronzo]

Any ideas on the part where Cathy is showing up at a new office? How do we think that will play out in the plot? Any ideas? Why show it if it isn't important to the future?

In my opinion that scene was just meant to be a reassurance that Cathy is not out of the picture, that we will see her again soon (5-6 months...).

It's conjecture, but I think it's reasonable conjecture given the evidence we've seen. Sure, the main 5 had RPs, but I don't consider that much different than the walkthrough distinction: you'd be hard pressed to know RPs exist without consulting the walkthrough (or delving into the code directly). If anything, you'd think Quinn must be more dependent on RPs than the others since her path can diverge much more than theirs.

To me, everything about the game suggests the choice at the crossroads will not be the final word on the matter. I say that because: the game emphasizes the player's interest in Maya or Josy separately despite not letting you pick them; Bella's marriage remains completely unexplained; Sage says to let her know if the MC's choice doesn't pan out; the Others branch specifically mentions the MC isn't ready for a relationship yet; the variation of the Others montage for those on Quinn's path goldenrule91 and shazba discussed; and the splashy return of Zoey.

All of that suggests the MC will at the very least need to reaffirm his decision before the end. If so, then it must be possible for the decision not to be affirmed. In that case, isn't it logical that girls who weren't LIs the first time could conceivably be LIs the second time? As we get closer to the end, the difficulty in accommodating them decreases. I'd be willing to bet Maya and Josy will eventually get solo paths. So why not Quinn or Zoey, too?

it seems to me quite evident that the "non-LIs" will be a sort of safety net, if MC will let any LIs slip away he will find consolation in a non-LI.

some LIs in the great decision even automatically excluded the possibility of being able to choose "other", and this is a clear sign of subordination from the point of view of the story.

 

[RukiRG]

I think we never knew who the rat was and it's probably still here

I wouldn't be surprised to be DPC himself

 

[Kellermann]

Bella and MC in the tree house?

MC walks in tree house...hey look my old cum stains from Zoey are still here!
Bella:

Well not to crush your hopes, but adopted family members are still banned under the Patreon terms. They assess it based on the 'family dynamic'. If they addressed each other as family members (mom, sis etc.) then no bonking allowed. Obviously roleplay is different, non-family can call Jade whatever and vice versa.

I wonder how Sage is going to address jade. something tells me she is one of those people who won't call her mother but use given name instead, much to Jade's annoyance.

I strongly disagree, I didn't find it sexually suggestive at all? The only titillating element was they were half naked. The bulk of the conversation was Bella getting pissed at Jill dredging up things she doesn't want to talk about, and Jill getting annoyed at Bella being rude & dismissive. Not one thing in that conversation suggested there had been any sexual intimacy between them to me?

it's definitely ambiguous. One thing that I keep coming back to however is Jill says to Bella the, "it's not going to happen again" line while the two are in bed together after uncomfortable pause. Why does this line only come up when they are face-to-face in bed together, awkwardly staring into each others eyes? It sure seems like whatever "it" is, last happened when they were in bed together or at least in a similar intimate setting. it's all a bit odd I must say. No real proof, but I just can't rule it out especially given Jill's tendency to sleep hump-orgasm, which is a silly (but still fun) piece of story. In a world where that can happen, anything can. To be clear, I'm not convinced that anything sexual happened or will happen between them, but I can't rule it out entirely.

 

[felicemastronzo]

it's definitely ambiguous. One thing that I keep coming back to however is Jill says to Bella the, "it's not going to happen again" line while the two are in bed together after uncomfortable pause. Why does this line only come up when they are face-to-face in bed together, awkwardly staring into each others eyes? It sure seems like whatever "it" is, last happened when they were in bed together or at least in a similar intimate setting. it's all a bit odd I must say. No real proof, but I just can't rule it out especially given Jill's tendency to sleep hump-orgasm, which is a silly (but still fun) piece of story. In a world where that can happen, anything can. To be clear, I'm not convinced that anything sexual happened or will happen between them, but I can't rule it out entirely.

ok it's a porn game...

but how do you think there could be action between the two girls with Mc on the other side of the door....

for me they clearly refer to having brought up again a topic that Bella asked not to talk about

 

[mightybored]

I think Bella has experienced Jill's sleep-humping, which is why she warns Jill before they fall asleep in the same bed again.

 

[Kellermann]

I think we never knew who the rat was and it's probably still here

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I think Bella has experienced Jill's sleep-humping, which is why she warns Jill before they fall asleep in the same bed again.

Do you think she sleep humped Bianca too? I wonder how many people have fallen "victim" to the infamous B&R sleep humper?

 

[vogelbeest]

Do you think she sleep humped Bianca too? I wonder how many people have fallen "victim" to the infamous B&R sleep humper?

Atleast it explains why Tybalts room never was locked when MC visited.... And makes you wonder if Sage really was hiding for her father or just waiting for Jill to start sleepwalking!

 

[Kellermann]

Atleast it explains why Tybalts room never was locked when MC visited.... And makes you wonder if Sage really was hiding for her father or just waiting for Jill to start sleepwalking!

NGL...I'd spy on that action.

ok it's a porn game...

but how do you think there could be action between the two girls with Mc on the other side of the door....

for me they clearly refer to having brought up again a topic that Bella asked not to talk about

Yes, but why does DPC choose to reveal it to the audience only then? We mostly see Jill/Bella discuss mundane things. Only when they get in this intimate setting does DPC make it a point for players to see. All I know is this "it" thing that Jill did had better be very important and not some foolish little item that is meant as a red herring.

The only other reason that appears in my mind is Jill stealing away a man from Bella or perhaps just liking the same man. The "it" memory seems like it is partly triggered by MC's presence. Does anyone know if this Bella bedroom scene changes dramatically if either Bella or Jill are not romantically interested in MC?

 

[vogelbeest]

Yes, but why does DPC choose to reveal it to the audience only then? We mostly see Jill/Bella discuss mundane things. Only when they get in this intimate setting does DPC make it a point for players to see. All I know is this "it" thing that Jill did had better be very important and not some foolish little item that is meant as a red herring.

The only other reason that appears in my mind is Jill stealing away a man from Bella or perhaps just liking the same man. The "it" memory seems like it is partly triggered by MC's presence. Does anyone know if this Bella bedroom scene changes dramatically if either Bella or Jill are not romantically interested in MC?

Guess they just slept together after another evening with some bottles of wine, it may even went a bit further then just cuddling.... The fact MC also is in the house might be the exact reason Jill distances herself from Bella, it would not make much sense Jill sleeping on the same couch as MC when she can just share the bed with Bella, so DPC needed some excuse...

 

[Meushi]

It seems to me that apart from in the guide and polls, far from maintaining a "hard distinction", DPC has deliberately and repeatedly blurred the line between the two categories when it comes to the game/story content itself. Quinn, for example, has had her own prologue, her own hangout, her own path, and her own animation at the end of episode 8.

As you say, there's no debate that DPC places Quinn as a SG. Yes, Quinn is undoubtedly the most prominent SG. As something of an antagonist, her role across the story is more significant than any other SG. That makes her special among the SGs, fully deserving of extra attention in the 0.8 others end scene.

In fact, as a result of all this, it's not uncommon for new players to say they assumed Quinn was a Main Girl, based on their experience of the game. This happens so frequently that at a certain point I think you have to accept those players are responding to something real in the game, in terms of the way Quinn's character has been purposefully developed.

Or it just means players new & old struggle with the idea of their MC getting close to characters they ultimately can't 'get' in the end. DPC wants you to care about all of his characters, that doesn't mean they're all destined to be romantic interests. Some people pine after Riona or Jade too. Fling vs love.

Just a quick word on your reference to RP: I think I'm right in saying that DPC has spoken about moving away from this as being a big determiner of relationships. There are a few examples of where it matters, in very minor ways, in the first 8 episodes, but mostly it doesn't. So I don't think we can be confident that lack of RP means no ending or relationship with a SG.

DPC is still doling out RP points in Ep 0.8, but yes I don't think they're a big determiner of relationship. I see them more as an indicator of the depth of the relationship (romantic or otherwise, Derek has RPs too). Other things like affinity or key events mostly determine if you're on the path of a given MG, which is also the case with SGs. It was more an example of an explicit distinction between MGs & SGs in game which has been in place throughout development.

But in my view, this is a comment about the way the main story is structured, it doesn't have anything to say about the viability of the romantic options. Quinn is not an MG (so far), but she is definitely a LI. I think DPC has made this pretty clear.

Conversely I suggest DPC doesn't use the term LI, he only refers to MGs for those who have romance paths. So I think DPC has made it pretty clear none of the SGs are LIs. Hopefully we'll get some indication of where the Zoey thing is going soon at least.

I'd be willing to bet Maya and Josy will eventually get solo paths. So why not Quinn or Zoey, too?

I'd welcome the solo paths for Maya & Josy, if that eventuates. The distinction is obvious though, DPC labelled Maya & Josy MGs from the start, and the others SGs.

It's not just that they're half naked, it's that the discussion started because they were looking at each other in bed. Moreover, Bella knocked her wedding photo off the stand once Jill left, clearly linking something about the topic to her failed marriage. As I said, to me the implication is obvious. But as established, DPC likes to mislead us. So I say it's too obvious.

How is looking at each other suggestive of any intimate relationship? It's not like there was smouldering sexual tension in their gaze, if anything Bella looks cross & Jill looks pensive while she's thinking about broaching the topic they argue about. Yes Bella knocked the photo over, because she was upset about Jill bringing up 'it', and annoyed at herself about lashing out at Jill. What's that got to do with Bella/Jill having been intimate at any stage? If anything the photo thing suggests 'it' is about James disappearance. Yes I know people have suggested a Bella/Jill fling being related to James disappearance, but again that's completely unsubstantiated fan fiction. There's nothing in that scene to support Bella & Jill were ever intimate. But it would be hot if they were...

Does anyone know if this Bella bedroom scene changes dramatically if either Bella or Jill are not romantically interested in MC?

It does not, no switches at all in that scene.

 

[Casiope]

One would hope that relationship points would weight on the commitment of the main character, but this data is ignored, so they become a form of scoring. Dr PinkCake values specific action variables to the point of overplaying their consequences.

This adds to the list of underused features like Massive Chick or Massive DIK status. Clearly the creator designed a lot of mechanisms only to leave them undone.

 

[MattyJuk]

I need more Quinn that is all

 

[Pendrell]

As you say, there's no debate that DPC places Quinn as a SG. Yes, Quinn is undoubtedly the most prominent SG. As something of an antagonist, her role across the story is more significant than any other SG. That makes her special among the SGs, fully deserving of extra attention in the 0.8 others end scene.

I could buy the argument that Quinn has an end screen by dint of her role as an antagonist only if what was being highlighted in that scene was...her role as an antagonist. But it isn't. It's a romantic scene, and promotes her role as a romantic interest.

Or it just means players new & old struggle with the idea of their MC getting close to characters they ultimately can't 'get' in the end. DPC wants you to care about all of his characters, that doesn't mean they're all destined to be romantic interests. Some people pine after Riona or Jade too. Fling vs love.

As I said, the features of Quinn's path have more in common with the five MGs (hangout etc), which are what give some people the understandable impression that the relationship with Quinn is a deeper one than the other SGs. This cannot be explained away by simply saying Quinn is an antagonist, because again, what is being emphasised in those scenes isn't antagonistic, it's romantic. You seem to be suggesting that the romantic scenes with Quinn are only there as a means to make us care about her as a complex villain. I think that's a major misreading.

Conversely I suggest DPC doesn't use the term LI, he only refers to MGs for those who have romance paths. So I think DPC has made it pretty clear none of the SGs are LIs. Hopefully we'll get some indication of where the Zoey thing is going soon at least.

He refers to MGs, but at no point has he he explained what he means by that; he certainly hasn't said they're the only ones who have romance paths. In fact much of what he's done in the game suggests the opposite is true. There is a debate to be had about the depth of those relationships, but increasingly it really isn't one that is characterised by the MG/SG distinction.

 

[Illuminate]

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thank you for your information,
I will take my leave of absence from work this Friday

 

[vogelbeest]

This cannot be explained away by simply saying Quinn is an antagonist, because again, what is being emphasised in those scenes isn't antagonistic, it's romantic. You seem to be suggesting that the romantic scenes with Quinn are only there as a means to make us care about her as a complex villain. I think that's a major misreading.

Quinn only gets romantic with a dik affinity MC, for chick/neutral MC she's just one of the antagonists. Stating scenes aren't antagonistic but romantic doesn't really matter, bad people need love too, but that doesn't change their role in the story.
There's also no reason to assume she will be an antagonist until the end, things can change, the story isn't finished yet.
Possibly there is a happy ending for a romance with Quinn, but will she turn to the light side or will MC and her end as some Bonnie & Clyde?