VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[Purrverted Snowflake]

That only proves the broken clock theory. A guess even if correct is still a guess.

 

[always86]

Pointless excercise since DPC reuses assets. Quinn and Maya wear the same bikini, Tybalt and Stephen wear the same pants, the Awesome Tshirt is worn by more than one person (Nick in Vinny flashback and I forget who wore it before him) and there's others as well. It can give you hints or lead you in the right direction sometimes like with Mona leaving, but the same clothes are not enough on their own. Plus I thought that was supposed to be Carlos from Eps 2 & 8.

Yes he does reuse assets. However the only reason to have those shoes visible is as a hint towards something. The stalker guy, who some of us suspect is an undercover cop, having his shoes visible right behind what we also suspect is a surveillance van, would suggest something more than reused assets.

Of course I haven’t checked stalker guys shoes so I could be barking up the wrong tree.

 

[Purrverted Snowflake]

Riona's text messages about being followed come after that scene, then lead to the Carlos reveal.

Seeing the glory hole guy in Eps 1 with white hands (not tanned) and the pants Tybalt and Stephen wear is a logical leap to Stephen due to the skin color and Stephen knowing about Quinn's services.

Seeing the guy stalking at the van only logically leaps to the person who stole Quinn's money or to Carlos stalking Riona. Not to some unknown factor.

 

[Casiope]

How much is missing from these? I don't see the Quinn & Sage scene in Eps 8, so now I'm wondering how much more is missing from these WT's? Are these the real official WT's? DPC really left stuff out?

This scene is missing from the Lewd Scenes chapter of the official guide (an omission?) but the steps are given in the episode summary.

However, I hope you'll find satisfaction in the unofficial guide I've been working on for over a year; it contains lots of detailed stuff if you care about the consequences of your in-game choices on love interests.

 

[always86]

Riona's text messages about being followed come after that scene, then lead to the Carlos reveal.

Seeing the glory hole guy in Eps 1 with white hands (not tanned) and the pants Tybalt and Stephen wear is a logical leap to Stephen due to the skin color and Stephen knowing about Quinn's services.

Seeing the guy stalking at the van only logically leaps to the person who stole Quinn's money or to Carlos stalking Riona. Not to some unknown factor.

I agree Stephen is the one behind the gloryhole in episode one.

Riona thinks someone is watching her. As someone posted a page or two ago, there is clearly a big van around campus. I’m 99% sure this is a police surveillance van. Watching her (And Quinn). If the stalkers shoes match, and can be seen near the police van I’d say that is a breadcrumb.

MC spots and presumes the stalker is the person who Riona thinks is following her. A logical conclusion if you’re unaware of the surveillance. When we catch up to stalker guy, he is either in the middle of a phone call or about to make one. Bit of a weird move, in the toilets, when a (possibly) drunken frat guy is following you. If you’re a student go to your dorm to hide. Why retreat to the toilets to make a phone call.

Yes this ‘evidence’ is circumstantial but that’s the way DPC usually does his breadcrumbs.

 

[Ilhares]

Well, the 8.2 version crashed without a trace on Windows 10 at the beginning of ep8. Because there is no error information in the trace and log files, i'm attaching the last save . it's a click before sending game to nilll. Maybe someone has it already solved?

Well, I loaded up your save game and as soon as it loaded it started to throw errors about an undefined variable or somesuch, named o00ooo0o00o000o00. I thought that was pretty fuckin' weird, so I loaded it in a 3rd party save editor to view anything with that kind of a name on it, and here's what came up:



I then proceeded to load some of my known good save files into that same editor and can find nothing of the sort, so either you've got some really F'd up mods in your game past, or something corrupted the data on your drive somewhere.

I'm presently using 8.2 and Win10 and have had none of this occur.

 

[Klopdwerg]

Who's getting out of the surveillance van?

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I think you're on to something about Jacob dalli_x
Didn't had a bad vibe about him but he was allways the one noticing your escapades. So he got his eyes open.
And now you're pointing him out as a mole for the cops/fbi or whatever and even backing it up...

 

[TimHawk]

Well, the 8.2 version crashed without a trace on Windows 10 at the beginning of ep8. Because there is no error information in the trace and log files, i'm attaching the last save . it's a click before sending game to nilll. Maybe someone has it already solved?

You either installed the SanchoMod wrong, used the wrong SanchoMod version, or the mod itself is broken.

 

[den_tiger]

This scene is missing from the Lewd Scenes chapter of the official guide (an omission?) but the steps are given in the episode summary.

However, I hope you'll find satisfaction in the unofficial guide I've been working on for over a year; it contains lots of detailed stuff if you care about the consequences of your in-game choices on love interests.

You're right! Weird. Maybe he added the scene later?

 

[den_tiger]

Btw Casiope , can you check the your mansion guide for Round 6? The points aren't enough to hit the targets you gave.
Otherwise, great work!

Edit: I missed a step. Whoops.

 

[Meushi]

Becky is not too bad though, or am I being face blind again

Well Becky's not ugly, her problems aren't as superficial as looks. Her being an obnoxious cow disguised as a woman is probably an issue for many.

Well, the 8.2 version crashed without a trace on Windows 10 at the beginning of ep8. Because there is no error information in the trace and log files, i'm attaching the last save . it's a click before sending game to nilll. Maybe someone has it already solved?

Well, I loaded up your save game and as soon as it loaded it started to throw errors about an undefined variable or somesuch, named o00ooo0o00o000o00.

It'd help if they said where exactly it 'crashed'. The log.txt mentions SanchoMod, which is where those weird o00ooo0o00o000o00 variables are coming from.

It may not be a crash, but DPCs anti-cheating checks booting the player out of the game. They should double check they're using the latest version of the mod, or if that doesn't fix it then try the Rusty Windows Crash fix under Extras in the OP (it has a version for SanchoMod).

TLDR: What TimHawk said (which I managed to overlook).

You either installed the SanchoMod wrong, used the wrong SanchoMod version, or the mod itself is broken.

 

[TimHawk]

Who's getting out of the surveillance van?

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That van really does pop up quite often, but it also proves it cant be the police or any other law enforcement agency.

#1 They wouldnt park 3 feet in front of Riona, they stay out of sight. 'Seeing, while not being seen' is their motto. Their job is to not interfere, often for months, they just gather evidence to make a case.
#2 They use mobile surveilance devices on mobile targets, in a college setting an apartment across the street would be way more likely.
#3 They wouldnt use the same Van every single day, that by itself would draw attention.
#4 Vans in particular are used for auditory surveillance, to act as an reciever for listening devices. For smth like video recording Riona, smth that stands out way less than a Van would be used, if a vehicle would be used at all.
#5 And most important, IF and man thats the mother of all if's, a law enforcement agency would actually use surveilance AND an undercover agent, the undercover wouldnt be seen jumping out of the surveilance Van directly in front of a suspect in a million years. You protect your assets cover at all costs.

So if it's not law enforcement, what or who could it be ?

Stephen, making sure he has something on Quinn, if she ever considers turning on him. He certainly has the means.
Quinn's competition, learning where, who, how much and when. Also enough cash to fund smth like this.

Watch it be the Van that delivers the Cafeterias orders in the end, and Jacob got the bulletin job to carry it all inside, man that would be epic.

 

[JETracktor]

Anyone knows the track that's being played during the HOTs scavenger hunt evaluation scenes?

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[znar25]

Oh boy are we Quinnposting

I kinda have to agree with the Sage/Quinn threesome being bad writing but not necessarily because it didn't check all the Quinn boxes for me as a fan. Obviously all of Shaz's suggestions about how the scene should have gone are 10/10 and he should be writing the game But the scene afterwards where Quinn is smoking and asks the MC how long he's been banging Sage in a roundabout way then puts her head on his shoulder makes up for the lack of emotion in the threesome I feel.

The real problem I have with the threesome scene is that it actually happened at all. Like Shaz says, there was (to me) a surprising lack of chemistry between the three in that moment, which I can only put down to the fact that you can get that scene without being on Quinn's 'path', so the reactivity to whatever relationship dynamic that exists there was lacking. Don't get me wrong, not every sex scene in the game has to incorporate deep themes of every relationship, sex can just be sex, but there was so much wasted potential in the reactivity aspect that the scene becomes negative instead of neutral. I think DPC kind of understood that, which is why you have the Quinn smoking scene almost as a concession for those who are on Quinn's path and expected some more personal interactions. So from my perspective, if the reactivity isn't there, the threesome is kind of pointless - whereas the smoking scene with Quinn is important because, just like at the HoT party, it shows Quinn's natural jealousy towards Sage and the MC.

Which brings me to the real reason why I think the Sage/Quinn threesome was bad writing: the Sage/Quinn connection. There's a lot to say, and a lot has been said, of the dynamic between Quinn and Sage. In my opinion, it's one of the most interesting in the game; in fact I'm struggling right now to think of a relationship between two characters in the game (independent of the MC) that has as much hidden context and potential. Maybe Bella and her husband takes the cake, but a lot of that is still wild speculation (Bella is crazy tho ), whereas the Sage/Quinn stuff is mostly overt at this point.

Quinn is jealous of Sage. We can see that when the MC is involved with both of them, at the HoT party and after the threesome and all that, which is perfectly natural. The interesting part is that Quinn is only, uniquely, jealous of Sage - she doesn't show jealousy when the MC is with any other girl in the game, and even offers to set him up for free with any of her girls (though according to the official walkthrough it 'impresses' Quinn if you say you're only interested in her, what impact that has is a mystery). But even more interesting is that Quinn's jealousy isn't purely romantic, and that's where the real potential comes from. Quinn is betraying Sage's friendship and trust in her by using the HoTs as a cover for her dealing drugs and prostituting the girls. She's probably doing this because she has no other choice, or because it's for someone she cares about more than Sage, but regardless of whether the actual reason is a good one, I believe that Quinn's jealousy of Sage has a lot to do with the betrayal. There are a few telling scenes throughout the game where we see Quinn overtly fuck with Sage in an almost provocative manner.

The first and most glaring is the car wash scene with the HoTs, where Quinn basically tells Sage she can run on home to her parents (who are now revealed to be Burke and Jade) for money instead of making the HoTs work. Sage shoots right back at her that bringing up her parents was 'crossing the line', which immediately tells us that Quinn knew the line existed and chose to cross it anyway. That's not something a friend does, even for someone who likes to fuck with people like Quinn. It seems obvious to me the contrast between Quinn's familial situation and Sage's is being highlighted in this scene - Sage has rich parents she can go to for help, Quinn comes from poor parents and doesn't have that option, and by taking a shot at Sage for that Quinn is revealing some jealousy of her and resentment of her own situation especially as it relates to gathering money for a hidden purpose. The other scenes relate to the leadership of the HoTs, Quinn grooming the new HoTs to join the restaurant and using the pretext of needing more money to lie to Sage, blow off the DIKs and sell drugs at the prep mansion. Over the course of the game, up to the current point, Quinn has done nothing but fuck with Sage either openly or secretly, while Sage has done nothing but treat her as a friend and cover for her as her replacement, even if she gets (justifiably) angry at Quinn from time to time.

The fact that Quinn seems to only be uniquely jealous around Sage, combined with the fact that Quinn openly fucks with Sage a lot, and has completely undermined her in her own sorority, leads me to believe it's personal in some way. What is it about Sage that makes Quinn jealous or resentful? Is it her rich parents, how smart she is, how hot she is, how much of a threat she is to Quinn's plans? Did something happen in the past with them or is Quinn expecting something to happen in the future that's causing her to treat Sage differently to every other girl, most likely something to do with Burke?

So with all these questions and theories about what's really going on with Quinn and Sage, the threesome to me felt even more flat and emotionless. It would have made much more sense to me if the requirements for the threesome were flipped, where Quinn would only have sex with MC and Sage if she didn't care and it was just sex, but if you're on her path and she's jealous she'd flat out refuse. Her refusal would be confusing for both Sage and the MC with how out of character that would be, and reinforce how uniquely jealous she is of Sage and how her feelings are growing for the MC at the same time.

It would also have been perfectly fine to keep things as they are and for the threesome to go ahead, but incorporate things like Shaz suggests with the kissing and Quinn's panic at Sage noticing her acting differently around the MC. Things like that would keep up the themes of Sage's and Quinn's relationship nicely too. Instead we really got nothing of that, you could really put the threesome in episode 3 or whatever and it wouldn't make a difference, the progression isn't there.

Quinn is a sociopath. A fair few of the symptoms. And as already mentioned by some it probably comes from her upbringing.

Now...if you are on the Quinn path, she appears to have to deal with actually falling in love with MC which, as you have seen in the texts gets a lot of fuck-you-alls from Quinn for others teasing and pointing it out. Her tough-girl image and mean-spirited actions are her armor-plate. Unknown what will happen if that is worn down or if it is even possible.

As many have pointed out, the Quinn path might not end well; probably won't end well, or, as I have joked: She will see the light through a traumatic event like Scrooge on Christmas Eve, suddenly change and start being nice to everyone and repairing all the damage she has done.

A redemption arc could be a very sweet and touching story.


This is very huge for Quinn. She really can't be friend-friends with anyone in the HOTs and MC who she likes, she is unselfish with her time. It says a lot (to me anyway).


If we are to believe DPC is accurate with his expressions this tells so very much. Very touching.

 

[Foind]

My crack theory about the van is it's the same person/people who did the cathy cluck, trashed DIK mansion, and stole from Quinn in ep6 instead of cops or something

 

[ename144]

I liked the build up, the tension, both girls not able to confess to each other that they seriously liked the mc, but then the sex was sterile. So yeah, the build up was fun, but it was actually more fun than the sex.

Fucking for the sake of fucking can actually get boring. If there's no emotion, you may as well be jerking off.

I don't think I've ever fucked a girl and not actually kissed her (a lot) during the sex. To me, sex can be a lot of fun, but I don't find it as intimate as a kiss.

And that's actually exactly the way Quinn comes across. The threesome with her was much less of a big deal than the kiss on the park bench.

The saddest thing of all though, is that when rating threesomes, there isn't a fucking threesome with M&J worth rating!

Eh, I prefer either of the M&J threesomes to Sage & Quinn, but then I'm pretty heavily biased.

Oh boy are we Quinnposting

I kinda have to agree with the Sage/Quinn threesome being bad writing but not necessarily because it didn't check all the Quinn boxes for me as a fan. Obviously all of Shaz's suggestions about how the scene should have gone are 10/10 and he should be writing the game But the scene afterwards where Quinn is smoking and asks the MC how long he's been banging Sage in a roundabout way then puts her head on his shoulder makes up for the lack of emotion in the threesome I feel.

The real problem I have with the threesome scene is that it actually happened at all. Like Shaz says, there was (to me) a surprising lack of chemistry between the three in that moment, which I can only put down to the fact that you can get that scene without being on Quinn's 'path', so the reactivity to whatever relationship dynamic that exists there was lacking. Don't get me wrong, not every sex scene in the game has to incorporate deep themes of every relationship, sex can just be sex, but there was so much wasted potential in the reactivity aspect that the scene becomes negative instead of neutral. I think DPC kind of understood that, which is why you have the Quinn smoking scene almost as a concession for those who are on Quinn's path and expected some more personal interactions. So from my perspective, if the reactivity isn't there, the threesome is kind of pointless - whereas the smoking scene with Quinn is important because, just like at the HoT party, it shows Quinn's natural jealousy towards Sage and the MC.

Which brings me to the real reason why I think the Sage/Quinn threesome was bad writing: the Sage/Quinn connection. There's a lot to say, and a lot has been said, of the dynamic between Quinn and Sage. In my opinion, it's one of the most interesting in the game; in fact I'm struggling right now to think of a relationship between two characters in the game (independent of the MC) that has as much hidden context and potential. Maybe Bella and her husband takes the cake, but a lot of that is still wild speculation (Bella is crazy tho ), whereas the Sage/Quinn stuff is mostly overt at this point.

Quinn is jealous of Sage. We can see that when the MC is involved with both of them, at the HoT party and after the threesome and all that, which is perfectly natural. The interesting part is that Quinn is only, uniquely, jealous of Sage - she doesn't show jealousy when the MC is with any other girl in the game, and even offers to set him up for free with any of her girls (though according to the official walkthrough it 'impresses' Quinn if you say you're only interested in her, what impact that has is a mystery). But even more interesting is that Quinn's jealousy isn't purely romantic, and that's where the real potential comes from. Quinn is betraying Sage's friendship and trust in her by using the HoTs as a cover for her dealing drugs and prostituting the girls. She's probably doing this because she has no other choice, or because it's for someone she cares about more than Sage, but regardless of whether the actual reason is a good one, I believe that Quinn's jealousy of Sage has a lot to do with the betrayal. There are a few telling scenes throughout the game where we see Quinn overtly fuck with Sage in an almost provocative manner.

The first and most glaring is the car wash scene with the HoTs, where Quinn basically tells Sage she can run on home to her parents (who are now revealed to be Burke and Jade) for money instead of making the HoTs work. Sage shoots right back at her that bringing up her parents was 'crossing the line', which immediately tells us that Quinn knew the line existed and chose to cross it anyway. That's not something a friend does, even for someone who likes to fuck with people like Quinn. It seems obvious to me the contrast between Quinn's familial situation and Sage's is being highlighted in this scene - Sage has rich parents she can go to for help, Quinn comes from poor parents and doesn't have that option, and by taking a shot at Sage for that Quinn is revealing some jealousy of her and resentment of her own situation especially as it relates to gathering money for a hidden purpose. The other scenes relate to the leadership of the HoTs, Quinn grooming the new HoTs to join the restaurant and using the pretext of needing more money to lie to Sage, blow off the DIKs and sell drugs at the prep mansion. Over the course of the game, up to the current point, Quinn has done nothing but fuck with Sage either openly or secretly, while Sage has done nothing but treat her as a friend and cover for her as her replacement, even if she gets (justifiably) angry at Quinn from time to time.

The fact that Quinn seems to only be uniquely jealous around Sage, combined with the fact that Quinn openly fucks with Sage a lot, and has completely undermined her in her own sorority, leads me to believe it's personal in some way. What is it about Sage that makes Quinn jealous or resentful? Is it her rich parents, how smart she is, how hot she is, how much of a threat she is to Quinn's plans? Did something happen in the past with them or is Quinn expecting something to happen in the future that's causing her to treat Sage differently to every other girl, most likely something to do with Burke?

So with all these questions and theories about what's really going on with Quinn and Sage, the threesome to me felt even more flat and emotionless. It would have made much more sense to me if the requirements for the threesome were flipped, where Quinn would only have sex with MC and Sage if she didn't care and it was just sex, but if you're on her path and she's jealous she'd flat out refuse. Her refusal would be confusing for both Sage and the MC with how out of character that would be, and reinforce how uniquely jealous she is of Sage and how her feelings are growing for the MC at the same time.

It would also have been perfectly fine to keep things as they are and for the threesome to go ahead, but incorporate things like Shaz suggests with the kissing and Quinn's panic at Sage noticing her acting differently around the MC. Things like that would keep up the themes of Sage's and Quinn's relationship nicely too. Instead we really got nothing of that, you could really put the threesome in episode 3 or whatever and it wouldn't make a difference, the progression isn't there.

Very interesting analysis, but for me this wouldn't fix the main problem with the Sage/Quinn threesome, which is entirely on Sage's end. At that point either the MC and Sage have had an argument about not wanting to be a rebound guy OR they've just started hooking up. Either way, this wasn't the time for a random hookup with Quinn. The scene would have worked much better if it had been moved to Season 3 once the MC's relationship with Sage was better established (or maybe back to Episode 7, where it could have served as the catalyst for the inexplicable Rebound Guy speech).

Yes he does reuse assets. However the only reason to have those shoes visible is as a hint towards something. The stalker guy, who some of us suspect is an undercover cop, having his shoes visible right behind what we also suspect is a surveillance van, would suggest something more than reused assets.

Of course I haven’t checked stalker guys shoes so I could be barking up the wrong tree.

I don't know if I agree. If DPC wanted to show someone following Riona *some* part of the stalker needs to be visible, after all. There's little sense acquiring unique assets just to use on a background shot.

 

[sixart]

"Hold CTRL, what only two sex scene ? Interlude sucked "
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type of player probably

Yeeaah... this becomes more and more common

I hope you're no longer upset

I wasn't upset at all from the start ( I understand it might have been too much ) I'm just shocked !

Who's getting out of the surveillance van?

IF it is one of the DIKs I'd go with Leon...

Once again, someone who only looks at BaDIK's pictures.

But not like someone I know...

Since we do not know how many assets DPC owns, both your statement and mine are true or not true

Schrödinger's cat ?... !

Well, I loaded up your save game and as soon as it loaded it started to throw errors about an undefined variable or somesuch, named o00ooo0o00o000o00. I thought that was pretty fuckin' weird, so I loaded it in a 3rd party save editor to view anything with that kind of a name on it, and here's what came up:

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I then proceeded to load some of my known good save files into that same editor and can find nothing of the sort, so either you've got some really F'd up mods in your game past, or something corrupted the data on your drive somewhere.

I'm presently using 8.2 and Win10 and have had none of this occur.

Welp the attached text said SanchoMod so it is self-inflicted collateral damage

They wouldnt park 3 feet in front of Riona, they stay out of sight

Haven't heard this before ? The best hiding place is in plain sight !

They use mobile surveilance devices on mobile targets, in a college setting an apartment across the street would be way more likely

An SV is pretty much the same as a command center in small... where audio and visual comes in and gets recorded and assessments being made...

They wouldnt use the same Van every single day, that by itself would draw attention

In real life they use and reuse such assets more often then one would think It draws attention only to those who are very keen... let's be honest here normally noone is because people don't give a fuck about themselves about others about anything !

Vans in particular are used for auditory surveillance, to act as an reciever for listening devices. For smth like video recording Riona, smth that stands out way less than a Van would be used

No as mentioned before it is audio video... but rather than recording Riona they are recording the rings drug distribution... HOTs DIKs ANYONE who's involved in this somehow... sooo most likely the fraternity homes are bugged already which could be achieved more easily if not one but more is involved in this intel gathering

undercover agent

If you have a problem with undercover agent... How bout we play the good old switcheroo ? We can go with " snitch " ( snitches get stitches ) or we can go with CI ( as in confidential informant ) but honestly it would not change much

 

[Saigahh]

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Joking aside, I hope you enjoy the game. I worked my ass off to create this and boy this is expensive.

I need funding to complete this project.

If you can't afford to donate on Patreon, you can still show support by liking or reviewing the game.

Cheers

 

[TimHawk]

Yeeaah... this becomes more and more common

I wasn't upset at all from the start ( I understand it might have been too much ) I'm just shocked !

IF it is one of the DIKs I'd go with Leon...

But not like someone I know...
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Schrödinger's cat ?... !

Welp the attached text said SanchoMod so it is self-inflicted collateral damage

Haven't heard this before ? The best hiding place is in plain sight !

An SV is pretty much the same as a command center in small... where audio and visual comes in and gets recorded and assessments being made...

In real life they use and reuse such assets more often then one would think It draws attention only to those who are very keen... let's be honest here normally noone is because people don't give a fuck about themselves about others about anything !

No as mentioned before it is audio video... but rather than recording Riona they are recording the rings drug distribution... HOTs DIKs ANYONE who's involved in this somehow... sooo most likely the fraternity homes are bugged already which could be achieved more easily if not one but more is involved in this intel gathering

If you have a problem with undercover agent... How bout we play the good old switcheroo ? We can go with " snitch " ( snitches get stitches ) or we can go with CI ( as in confidential informant ) but honestly it would not change much

i get that DPc wont and cant go full reality bomb, especially if he is trying to hint at smth or leave us breadcrumbs, but even he has to use a little common sense. Surveilance has 1 job, if they are found out or even spook a criminal, they're done. So they would always go the most invisible, least suspicious route possible. And a Van is just not it, especially since the entire department probably has 1 Van and it sure wouldnt be used to record riona picking up a drug package, you can prob buy a house with all the equipment that is in these things.

And even if its a volunteer informant or a CI or a 'snitch' who does it for the hell of it, you would never ever see em in bright daylight jumping out of a surveilance van. He'd get a phone number, and they would meet at a neutral place. The van sure is odd, but if its purpose has to do with anything even remotely close to official law enforcement buisness, Im gonna be really surprised. I know DPC stretches reality here and there, but if this flys we might aswell fight a dragon on the DIK mansion roof next.

 

[nyrek]

"Hold CTRL, what only two sex scene ? Interlude sucked "
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type of player probably

why would you hold a key, just press tab once and afk!