VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

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It would be so great to have another thread only for oficial updates and news, and not to have to dive into a pile of stupidities and bad jokes in order of getting information about this game

Facts. This thread is a degenerate mess. Just let N7 post the news so we don't have to sit through pages of drivel just to find the updates. Thanks.

 

[Ilhares]

Yea the "slow as a turtle sex scenes" were always something that just seemed kind of unimpressive but I would always forget about.

I find it funny that (some) people will harp on that point, when it's just the way the MC has sex. it's not a mystery, Quinn even calls him out for it when he's fucking her on the rooftop. DPC knows, it's not accidental. When you're packing like he is, slower is always safer when you're breaking in a new partner.

In the official Walkthrouht, I just read this.

"If you aren’t on Isabella’s branch, enjoy the resolution of Jill’s third date with Tybalt."

I guess this will be the reason for Jill not to give the MC a chance after the third date with Tybalt. Someone wrote it before in this thread, I think it was Warscared, so the way to a woman can also be through that woman's girlfriend. So if Isabella doesn't like the MC, Jill will dump the MC.

The same thing actually happens with Tybalt.

No. Jill will dump the MC, regardless of his relationship with Bella, if he's a DIK. You can still be a major DIK and be with Isabella. You can be on great terms with her and Jill with dump you. Just like she does if you decided to take care of Sage during her illness, even if you're a major chick AND everybody loves you. Jill kicks you to the curb.

Jill lives in her own fairy princess mentality where she can do no wrong, and she believes in stupid shit like destiny and magical portents of the future. Calling her Naive only scratches the surface of Jill's character faults.

If your goal is to reach Jill's sex scene, there are really only two things you have to make sure you do. Don't be a DIK, and don't take care of Sage. (I suppose you could argue the 3rd is "don't fuck Bella", but that's already assumed here)

 

[ffive]

Jill lives in her own fairy princess mentality where she can do no wrong

Evidently not true; she explicitly tells the MC she recognizes she's stubborn and it's not a great quality to have, and she acknowledges responsibility for whatever went between her and Isabella.

 

[Ilhares]

Evidently not true; she explicitly tells the MC she recognizes she's stubborn and it's not a great quality to have, and she acknowledges responsibility for whatever went between her and Isabella.

But she never extends that same understanding to her relationship with the MC. She even acknowledges, to Bella, that she fucked up and 'wants to fix it', but never once acknowledges to the MC that she should stay the fuck out of his business when he's told her to.

She does not treat him as someone who is allowed to live his own life, she acts like she knows better than he does, regardless of his desires.

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

If we talking about Jill again...I'm wondering if anyone noticed Jill's strange and atypical behavior in the prologue of Episode 5? The moment she meets Rusty.
What do we know about Jill from the main plot? She is a very mannered, shy and modest girl. Jill has such good manners that she is afraid to quarrel with someone and it's just embarrassing for her to say no. She couldn’t even respond normally to Tybalt’s harassment until the end of Episode 8. Although at these moments it’s noticeable how uncomfortable his courtship is for her, especially in the second season. Or she will not say anything to the MC who behaves like a pig, for example, peeps at her panties. She is silent, although the MC receives -1RP Jill. This is the Jill we know.
But here's what we see when Jill meeting Rusty:
Oh, another rich boy hitting on me


When Jill finds out who Rusty is, she releases her best line in the whole game:

That smug face when Jill fried Rusty and leaves is pure gold


It's also worth mentioning her response when Rusty mentioned Romeo and Juliet:
"Haha, if you think that, you should read that book again"

And it's all very strange. And it doesn't fit with everything we know about Jill and what Bianca said about how she "pulled Jill out of the shell", which is to say, hinting that she was even more shy. What's going on here? Jill in her first year of college is a rather bold, open and charismatic girl who easily turns off an annoying guy who tring to charm her. I would say that in the prologue, she carries herself like a confident aristocrat, and not a tower princess, isolated from the world. Which we know from the main scenario.

I'm a little confused. Maybe Jill was broken after she got into B&R? Maybe the tragedy with Lana happened not so long ago? Who has theories? Is this just a DPC plot error, or could the event that changed Jill actually happen in the last two years?

 

[ffive]

But she never extends that same understanding to her relationship with the MC. She even acknowledges, to Bella, that she fucked up and 'wants to fix it', but never once acknowledges to the MC that she should stay the fuck out of his business when he's told her to.

But given the outcome of the event in question she actually did know better than MC in that particular case. And honestly, the "she should stay the fuck out of MC's business because i tooooooold her so" holds little water when the MC constantly gets in everyone's business and it never triggers any self-reflection in the players controlling him. He gets to be on receiving end of it for once, no need to get all snowflake about it like it's some kind of end of the world and relationship breaker, that someone dared to display some agency rather than act like mere background for power fantasies, and did something you didn't want them to. (Quinn says "hi")

She does not treat him as someone who is allowed to live his own life, she acts like she knows better than he does, regardless of his desires.

Let's also not forget she's actually older than MC. It's pretty natural in such situation to presume the leading role, especially when you've had lot of first-hand experience with subject at hand, as it's apparently the case with Jill and bullying.

 

[felicemastronzo]

But given the outcome of the event in question she actually did know better than MC in that particular case. And honestly, the "she should stay the fuck out of MC's business because i tooooooold her so" holds little water when the MC constantly gets in everyone's business and it never triggers any self-reflection in the players controlling him. He gets to be on receiving end of it for once, no need to get all snowflake about it like it's some kind of end of the world and relationship breaker, that someone dared to display some agency rather than act like mere background for power fantasies, and did something you didn't want them to. (Quinn says "hi")


Let's also not forget she's actually older than MC. It's pretty natural in such situation to presume the leading role, especially when you've had lot of first-hand experience with subject at hand, as it's apparently the case with Jill and bullying.

2 years age difference does not give you any right to choose for another, maybe only if you are less than 10 years old

on what occasion would MC get involved in an affair he was told to stay away from? maybe with Quinn?

 

[Redd23]

If we talking about Jill again...I'm wondering if anyone noticed Jill's strange and atypical behavior in the prologue of Episode 5? The moment she meets Rusty.
What do we know about Jill from the main plot? She is a very mannered, shy and modest girl. Jill has such good manners that she is afraid to quarrel with someone and it's just embarrassing for her to say no. She couldn’t even respond normally to Tybalt’s harassment until the end of Episode 8. Although at these moments it’s noticeable how uncomfortable his courtship is for her, especially in the second season. Or she will not say anything to the MC who behaves like a pig, for example, peeps at her panties. She is silent, although the MC receives -1RP Jill. This is the Jill we know.
But here's what we see when Jill meeting Rusty:
Oh, another rich boy hitting on me
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When Jill finds out who Rusty is, she releases her best line in the whole game:
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That smug face when Jill fried Rusty and leaves is pure gold
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It's also worth mentioning her response when Rusty mentioned Romeo and Juliet:
"Haha, if you think that, you should read that book again"

And it's all very strange. And it doesn't fit with everything we know about Jill and what Bianca said about how she "pulled Jill out of the shell", which is to say, hinting that she was even more shy. What's going on here? Jill in her first year of college is a rather bold, open and charismatic girl who easily turns off an annoying guy who tring to charm her. I would say that in the prologue, she carries herself like a confident aristocrat, and not a tower princess, isolated from the world. Which we know from the main scenario.

I'm a little confused. Maybe Jill was broken after she got into B&R? Maybe the tragedy with Lana happened not so long ago? Who has theories? Is this just a DPC plot error, or could the event that changed Jill actually happen in the last two years?

My guess would be that DPC simply created this scene and didn't care that it doesn't line up in 100% with "current Jill". I mean it didn't bothered me until you pointed that out (and tbh it kinda still doesn't bother me ), I just simply thought "cool comeback, nice way to present a difference between "classy" Jill and "goofy/DIK" Rusty". But yup, you're right it doesn't sound like usual Jill who's horrified she accidentaly offended random character #3

 

[crouch]

when?

 

[ffive]

2 years age difference does not give you any right to choose for another, maybe only if you are less than 10 years old

The whole senior->freshman and senpai/kohai dynamics so prevalent in school VNs are based entirely on this idea that people who are 1-2 years older are way more experienced and know way better. And when they tell you to jump, you ask how high.

on what occasion would MC get involved in an affair he was told to stay away from? maybe with Quinn?

When does the MC ever ask if people whose affairs he's involving himself into maybe don't want him to? Does he ask people whose secrets he spills around if they're ok with it?

 

[Ilhares]

The whole senior->freshman and senpai/kohai dynamics so prevalent in school VNs are based entirely on this idea that people who are 1-2 years older are way more experienced and know way better. And when they tell you to jump, you ask how high.

Yeah, except that he (DPC) has made it very clear this is based on an American university, and we really don't do shit like that here - the notable exception being the subservience of the pledges to their fraternity/sorority houses, and that only applies in-house. A DIK probate would not be subservient to anybody in another house.

 

[felicemastronzo]

The whole senior->freshman and senpai/kohai dynamics so prevalent in school VNs are based entirely on this idea that people who are 1-2 years older are way more experienced and know way better. And when they tell you to jump, you ask how high.

But it is in no way Jill and MC's situation.

Jill is in no way "superior" to MC just because she is a couple of years older, Tommy and Rusty would be, Sage at the limit can exert some power over MC, but Jill is not, in no way

 

[ffive]

But it is in no way Jill and MC's situation.

Jill is in no way "superior" to MC just because she is a couple of years older, Tommy and Rusty would be, Sage at the limit can exert some power over MC, but Jill is not, in no way

What makes you say Tommy and Rusty are "superior" to MC but Jill isn't? Rusty is just as detached from reality as Jill if not more, and he's got zero experience with bullying and such. Tommy is a village idiot and drug junkie who got in college thanks to cheating. Compared to either of them Jill comes ahead in number of metrics.

 

[felicemastronzo]

What makes you say Tommy and Rusty are "superior" to MC but Jill isn't? Rusty is just as detached from reality as Jill if not more, and he's got zero experience with bullying and such. Tommy is a village idiot and drug junkie who got in college thanks to cheating. Compared to either of them Jill comes ahead in number of metrics.

Rusty and Tommy are the leaders of the fraternity that MC wants to join, this gives them power, gives their voice extra strength

it has nothing to do with merit or even age per se

Jill is a perfect stranger to MC

 

[ffive]

Rusty and Tommy are the leaders of the fraternity that MC wants to join, this gives them power, gives their voice extra strength

it has nothing to do with merit or even age per se

Jill is a perfect stranger to MC

Jill is the heir to family which co-owns the entire college, including all fraternities and sororities which are only allowed to exist as long as the college leadership allows it. Going by this logic, she's on top of the power pile, along with Rusty.

 

[BigBlueDude]

If we talking about Jill again...I'm wondering if anyone noticed Jill's strange and atypical behavior in the prologue of Episode 5? The moment she meets Rusty.
What do we know about Jill from the main plot? She is a very mannered, shy and modest girl. Jill has such good manners that she is afraid to quarrel with someone and it's just embarrassing for her to say no. She couldn’t even respond normally to Tybalt’s harassment until the end of Episode 8. Although at these moments it’s noticeable how uncomfortable his courtship is for her, especially in the second season. Or she will not say anything to the MC who behaves like a pig, for example, peeps at her panties. She is silent, although the MC receives -1RP Jill. This is the Jill we know.
But here's what we see when Jill meeting Rusty:
Oh, another rich boy hitting on me
View attachment 2089214
View attachment 2089215
When Jill finds out who Rusty is, she releases her best line in the whole game:
View attachment 2089218 View attachment 2089221
That smug face when Jill fried Rusty and leaves is pure gold
View attachment 2089222
View attachment 2089232
It's also worth mentioning her response when Rusty mentioned Romeo and Juliet:
"Haha, if you think that, you should read that book again"

And it's all very strange. And it doesn't fit with everything we know about Jill and what Bianca said about how she "pulled Jill out of the shell", which is to say, hinting that she was even more shy. What's going on here? Jill in her first year of college is a rather bold, open and charismatic girl who easily turns off an annoying guy who tring to charm her. I would say that in the prologue, she carries herself like a confident aristocrat, and not a tower princess, isolated from the world. Which we know from the main scenario.

I'm a little confused. Maybe Jill was broken after she got into B&R? Maybe the tragedy with Lana happened not so long ago? Who has theories? Is this just a DPC plot error, or could the event that changed Jill actually happen in the last two years?

Its a good thing to note as one datapoint. On the flipside though, people are not the same all the time. It could have been a good day where she felt happy and confident and was "out of her shell" on this day.

 

[felicemastronzo]

Jill is the heir to family which co-owns the entire college, including all fraternities and sororities which are only allowed to exist as long as the college leadership allows it. Going by this logic, she's on top of the power pile, along with Rusty.

but are you serious?

so does Jill have the right to go over anyone's head because her family (not her, not her father) are among the founders of the college or simply because she is rich?

the relationship between senior student and freshman makes sense (not necessarily right, but at least it makes sense) only within the fraternity otherwise it is just nonsense

if MC wants to be part of the DIKs he must, at least apparently, listen to Rusty, I don't think if he disobeyed Jill he would be expelled from the BR

 

[ffive]

so does Jill have the right to go over anyone's head because her family (not her, not her father) are among the founders of the college or simply because she is rich?

Are we going to pretend that being a Burgmeister or Royce in Burgmeister&Royce College carries no weight, and the college staff will treat your voice just like that of a random Fuckface?

the relationship between senior student and freshman makes sense (not necessarily right, but at least it makes sense) only within the fraternity otherwise it is just nonsense

For a supposed nonsense there seems to be plenty seniors who think freshmen generally know shit compared to them. And statistically, they're not wrong -- because what'd even be the point of going to the college if, after spending there a few years, you didn't actually have more experience and knowledge than a freshman?

if MC wants to be part of the DIKs he must, at least apparently, listen to Rusty, I don't think if he disobeyed Jill he would be expelled from the BR

If Jill ever had some actual beef with the DIKs (or the Alphas) i don't think it'd take much of exerting pressure to get the entire fraternity disbanded over the shit they've pulled so far. The DIKs only survived thanks to Cathy going soft on them; seeing how both Jill and Bella are pretty close with her, it probably wouldn't even take much convincing her to handle things otherwise. It'd take even less now with Cathy gone, since there's no one left to protect them from mere consequences of their own actions.

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

My guess would be that DPC simply created this scene and didn't care that it doesn't line up in 100% with "current Jill". I mean it didn't bothered me until you pointed that out (and tbh it kinda still doesn't bother me ), I just simply thought "cool comeback, nice way to present a difference between "classy" Jill and "goofy/DIK" Rusty". But yup, you're right it doesn't sound like usual Jill who's horrified she accidentaly offended random character #3

It doesn't look like the DPC, which thinks everything through to the smallest detail, but it can be. Any person can make a mistake.

Its a good thing to note as one datapoint. On the flipside though, people are not the same all the time. It could have been a good day where she felt happy and confident and was "out of her shell" on this day.

If we don't get some kind of explanation, for example, we don't find out that Lana died/disappeared/was in asylum a year ago, then most likely thats true, Jill just has a good day and being comfortable out of her shell. But Jill has a lot of skeletons in her closet and the DPC still has a lot to tell about her backstory.

 

[felicemastronzo]

Are we going to pretend that being a Burgmeister or Royce in Burgmeister&Royce College carries no weight, and the college staff will treat your voice just like that of a random Fuckface?


For a supposed nonsense there seems to be plenty seniors who think freshmen generally know shit compared to them. And statistically, they're not wrong -- because what'd even be the point of going to the college if, after spending there a few years, you didn't actually have more experience and knowledge than a freshman?


If Jill ever had some actual beef with the DIKs (or the Alphas) i don't think it'd take much of exerting pressure to get the entire fraternity disbanded over the shit they've pulled so far. The DIKs only survived thanks to Cathy going soft on them; seeing how both Jill and Bella are pretty close with her, it probably wouldn't even take much convincing her to handle things otherwise. It'd take even less now with Cathy gone, since there's no one left to protect them from mere consequences of their own actions.

only Tybalt could agree with you

Are we going to pretend that being a Burgmeister or Royce in Burgmeister&Royce College carries no weight, and the college staff will treat your voice just like that of a random Fuckface?


For a supposed nonsense there seems to be plenty seniors who think freshmen generally know shit compared to them. And statistically, they're not wrong -- because what'd even be the point of going to the college if, after spending there a few years, you didn't actually have more experience and knowledge than a freshman?


If Jill ever had some actual beef with the DIKs (or the Alphas) i don't think it'd take much of exerting pressure to get the entire fraternity disbanded over the shit they've pulled so far. The DIKs only survived thanks to Cathy going soft on them; seeing how both Jill and Bella are pretty close with her, it probably wouldn't even take much convincing her to handle things otherwise. It'd take even less now with Cathy gone, since there's no one left to protect them from mere consequences of their own actions.

But what are you talking about?

Not even Tybalt would go that far....

it has nothing to do with whether Jill is right or not, it has to do with whether she has the right, and she doesn't, I just don't understand what we are talking about.

her experience as a student has nothing to do with it, it's not like MC has a doubt about what courses to take.
just because Jill is convinced, mistakenly, that MC is being bullied she decides to go further, and not only goes against what MC tells her but does it in secret, while MC is asleep

but the crazy thing is that Jill knows that she had no right to, in fact she apologizes