VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[Roundell]

What I meant was not that gay characters are great and positive but they are just humans, I do not see their personality and deeds based on they are gay or not... The reason I do not like Maya too has nothing to do with her being lesbian, she is just terrible friend and malcontent person.


Yes, you are right that she should be angry as much as it would be a girl. The point here is not her being angry anymore that he cheated her but what comes after that. The feeling that she is not pretty enough, that she was not sexy or attractive to him, that she was boring or something else what made him to cheat and be with other girl. I would say it was more relief in that moment and she was pitty of him knowing he had to hide himself all the time from everyone. That's why she was disappointed when she confronted him (basket scene), told him he can trust her and tell her and yet he did not. Because of her empathy she was more pity of him in the end but it was her closure and could finally move on.


He attacked him because he thought that MC wants to publish his secret what would destroy him. This is not absurd, clearly you are lack of empathy... MC do not care about Chad in way that he is not his friend but it does not mean that he will enjoy destroying his life or him being in troubles. Dude, we are all humans, all different, all make mistakes, there is no bad blood between them especially when you know that all he did was just acting to cover his true face. You can be vengeful or forgiving here.


She was sorry about that blackmailing, if you refuse she told you that she would give you it back anyway just needed help with Chad and as he was cheating her with another girl (as she thought) there was no one she could trust. And again, Chad is not dangerous, she didn't make him spy Vinny on his way for drugs in night alley but to go to campus gym to see if he is with any girl...
Not sure if you know that Sage has no idea about Quinn restaurant. If she knows that they do sex it is their free will, she does not a thing about prostituting and free tuition. If I were her I would expect them to come to me for help, they see each other everyday so it is easy to overlook things like that. It is easier too notice problems of "new" people. As far as I see DPC good job here, I also agree that in general it would make more sense if it would be Jill helping Maya, I guess it was just part of big plot-twist with Jade.


I see your point yet I see it from the whole different side and even for second I didn't thought Sage is bad because of her actions. I guess it is just different life experience and character perks.


More like "My dad is a guy that gives scholarship, so I will offer that option and suggest her to my father" and believe me or not this is how the whole real world works. You either know someone or not, if you have connections you make sure to make good use of them. She is not making her dad to give her tuition but to give her a chance to present and apply. She does even know what are criteria etc so she just arranged meeting as her father agreed. What is wrong with that? If your mother would be manager in shop and your friend would need job, wouldn't you try to get it to him? Not blackmail mother to employ him, just give CV and arrange job interview? This is how it works.

Maya because she noticed she need help and was MC's friend and felt guilty with this whole HOTs pledge situation. She was sorry Maya for giving shit about her when she was "daughter" because of her own problems. She has no idea about prostituting and even so, none of girls seem to be bad about it, more like they do enjoy it and a little extra cash. They do not sit alone depressed in dorm but party and have fun all the time. Sage being sometimes bitch is an extra point to her character because life is no 0/1, people often act contradictory and this is fine, it makes her more real and human and this is the way to recognize good from bad character writing.

I think we both made all our points, at least I did. I do not intend of making you change your mind, I enjoyed discussion but if you insist you can reply to that too, I will not tho. Thanks.

Look, I prefer Sage being a decent girl more than a bitch. My point is that DPC presents her like a spoiled bitch, the kind of hot girl that only cares about herself and thinks that can get everything from guys just because she's hot, and then he turns her out into a decent person. I think that DPC should have found another way to present us the character. For example, instead of blackmailing MC with the guitar, she could have used her personal charm and another kind of blackmail: emotional one. Imagine this dialogue:

-S: MC, you are the only one that can help me.
-C: Why? A girl like you probably knows half of the guys of B&R. Any of then probably could help you better than me.
-S: All the guys I know are either friends of Chad, or are scared of him. You are the first one that has stood for me... It's clear you have balls, and I think you are a smart guy too, I'm sure you'll find a way to help me... Please MC, I need to know because its driving me crazy, and you are my only hope... I will be in debt with you, and I´m the president of the HOTs so I can introduce you to a lot of girls, invite you to parties, help you with the DIKs if you decide to become one... With my help, you will be a popular guy here in no time...
-C: OK, if it's so important for you...

See? A mix of flattery, playing the damsel in distress and the promise of rewards. It would have had more sense than that thing of "I know that my boyfriend has stolen your guitar, but I´m not going to give it to you if you don't do what I want". That makes Sage an awful person at the beginning of the game and difficult to believe that suddenly she only want to help others.

And even if she were a good person from the beginning... Has she never seen Rio, Sarah, Mel or Quinn worried about money or any other thing? They have been living together for more than a year. Has she never asked them if they are OK? Why they look worried? If she could help, as a sister? Camila either? But she sees a couple of times Maya, and suddenly, she knows that something is wrong with her, she opens her heart to her, things that she has barely told to MC, that is her best friend and/or lover, and her number one priority is to help her... Not to talk that she knows that something was wrong between her and MC, her actual best friend or lover, and she doesn't even ask... That subplot, just doesn't work. It's forced, I suppose because DPC wanted to introduce that stupid cliffhanger of "fuck, fuck, fuck".

You are justifying Chad. It's crazy. Do you think that things work that way in real life? " Yes, your honor, I attacked a poor boy from behind at night. I'm four inches taller than him, and I weigh twenty pounds more muscle. But I just thought he might be blackmailing me, even though I didn't even have any proof of it, so... I'm forgiven, right?" Chad is a violent guy, with Sage in the cafeteria, with MC, and even with poor Anthony.





Why MC would care about a guy like this one? Because he's gay? Another approach: let's say Sage reacts bad.

-S: I should tell everybody that Chad is gay and ruin his reputation!
-C: Sage, please, no. She's a scumbag, but you are not, you are a decent person. If you do something like that now that you are angry, you will regret.

The result is the same, but MC is caring about Sage, not about Chad.

The problem is I really like Sage, and for that reason, I'm specially sensible to the flaws of DPC's writing with her, and I'm afraid of what he's going to do with her. I hope from now on she will be the sexy, funny, smart and kinky girl that would be perfect for MC as a girlfriend, and won't be involved in minor absurd drama. Her arc is clear: she's going to find at some point that her life is a lie. That her sorority is actually a ring of drugs and prostitution, her sister have been lying to her, and her own father is involved in it. It's going to be devastating and heartbreaking, and she's going to need all the MC's support she can get. She doesn't need gay cheap drama with more Chad or Maya in her story.

And about gay characters, I like that they are humans. But I don't like that DPC creates characters that are objectively awful people, like Chad, Troy and Maya, and pretend that the player should care about them instead of hating them, because they are gay. The first thing Maya does is collaborating with Quinn in a really cruel and dangerous prank to the MC. And the MC is forced to forgive her. And then, the MC is forced to forgive her that she didn't tell that she's already in a relationship when they are starting one... Those are really dick moves of Maya, but she's gay, so... MC is forced to be her friend in any case. I hate that.

For example, DPC has created other awful characters, like Quinn. But I don't think he pretends that players feel sympathy for Quinn. She has some good qualities: she's brave, smart and hot, so players can feel some kind of attraction towards her. And she comes from a shitty family, so until a certain point, players can feel pity for her. But that's all. Nobody thinks that Quinn is a positive character, and MC is not forced to befriend her. That's the difference. And I'm pretty sure it's because Maya is a gay character, and in 2023, gay character must be treated like positive ones, even if they are not.

I know this is an unpopular opinion. Even a scary one in a forum like this one because can trigger certain kind of people. Nobody is going to give me "likes" (at least nobody is given me "facepalms" so far, that's something) but it's what I think and I am not going to deprive myself of writing it, even if nobody seems to care about.

 

[dalli_x]

I agree that Josy urgently needs her own personal conflict and her own story that is not related to Maya.
I see the meaning of your words. It's impossible to please everyone, someone doesn't like M/J, someone else doesn't like other things. The thing is, you can't please everyone. We're in a bubble in a way, just like DPC Discord - most people here don't like the same things (almost no one here likes Jill and Maya). And on other resources they have a lot of fans.
But it's too late to tear the story out of the script - it's impossible. It can only be ended, and I want the story of Maya's debt to end as soon as possible.

There are more than enough Maya fans here, you should know that. I am one myself. I want Josy and Maya for my MC.

Josy is currently the more carefree girl of the two, but that will change from EP10, the signs are there. Just a couple of examples I see regarding Josy.
- Tommy has seen her.
- Josy is afraid of what will happen to her father if Pete finds out about Maya and the MC.
- Iris Moore is also an unknown and her new guy Clive seems like an asshole too.
- What if there are more cameras in the DIK Mansion and various adult movies ended up on the internet. Remember what Tommy said about not getting rid of certain tickets so easily. In EP7, Josy has already voiced to the MC so she doesn't want the label to be a bitch in the first week.
- I wonder what will happen when Sage finds out Josy wasn't completely honest with her about the MC at the HOTs party.

I think with Maya, DPC is the most realistic in terms of the story. Yes, the tuition problem could have been more realistic, but I figure so DPC wasn't so much about that so the whole credit situation is 100% coherent. Much more the problem in itself is realism. Which person did not have problems at the age of 18-19? What person can say that he can solve any problem without the help of others? Maya has asked for help only twice in the entire game. That was in EP7, when she asked the MC. Other than that, she has been offered the help.

But how Maya can be if she didn't have the problem of tuition, we see in EP8 and EP9 strengthened and what I see there is a lively, bright, curious and sexy girl, which is in no way inferior to Josy. But Maya has now the problem and was also close to give up.

But if there's one thing I've learned in life, it's that problems don't go away just because you mentally block them out, you have to problem solve. What did the MC say to Tommy in EP6? When you can't get up off the floor by yourself, you need someone to help you get back up. No one complains so Tommy is such an ass who wanted to leave the DIKs in stitches because of his comfort. But with Maya, they make such a fuss about it. I don't understand.

But I know one thing for me, Josy and Maya are the best girls for my MC, even if there are problems to solve.

Opinion. Quinn didn't do anything bad to Karen. Her level is pranks and trolling, but not poisoning. It's a party, a lot of alcohol, a lot of incompatible food. I think almost everyone in their life after a party spent a date with the toilet, throwing up the contents of their stomach. Especially for an introvert like Karen, getting too much alcohol is easy.

There is only one thing to write about Karen. She is probably lactose intolerant and definitely snacked off the buffet table. In the Rooster JB writes so that actually all his food is not lactose free. Vomiting is one of the symptoms. Maybe that should be taken into consideration the next time Karen is planning a party.

 

[Darkwen]

In EP7, Josy has already voiced to the MC so she doesn't want the label to be a bitch in the first week.

I think the word Josy used was "slut" sorry just nitpicking . That said I love to see Josy go full bitch mood on Quinn

 

[dalli_x]

Maya being Derek's sister doesn't help her at all. Derek is always trying to help the MC with whatever it is, Maya on the other hand is always dragging the MC into whatever drama there is.

I think players unconsciously compare her to Derek and then realize they love Derek and hate Maya. In my opinion, Maya always acting full of secrets in the episodes 1-4 and with a certain distrust of MC killed her character.

Derek does not always try to help the MC. With regard to Maya, he let the MC run into the knife, with the reasoning that he only knew the MC for a short time and could not tell him about Maya because it is not his story. I can hear everyone crying out now because Derek was right about that and so on. But if you concede that to Derek so he didn't tell the MC because he only knew the MC for a short time, concede that to Maya as well. Maya and Derek met the MC on the same day. EP1-EP4.

Through Maya, the MC gets involved with their tuition problem, but one should also remember so Maya helped the MC when the MC actually ended up on the street. Yes, Derek actually talked Maya into it. However, the deal only included one day, but Maya let the MC stay with her longer.

I don't understand the world anymore. When I have a problem, my friends help me and when they have a problem, I help them. Just recently a friend asked me if I could help him out quickly with 200 €. Half an hour later he had the money and after two weeks he gave it back to me. Friends help each other.

 

[Blurpee69]

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You know when I originally read that I always assumed she put the Pokeballs in the cups of her bikini. It suddenly dawned on my that she very well may be using her Pokeballs as benwa balls.

 

[felicemastronzo]

Yes, he's all that. And in spite of that, I think that DPC is going to try to redeem him because is what happens in modern entertainment every day. Look the new TV show "Velma", for example. Velma is an awful person, but is the protagonist of the show and the showrunners think that people would feel simpathy for her...

I hope I'm wrong, however. It would be a good surprise if Chad has the ending he deserves.

that's not the problem, to deserve a redemption you have to have major faults.

i don't think chad will have a real redemption though, because he has the biggest faults towards Troy, and nobody cares about that, and towards Sage, towards whom i hope there will be a real apology, but it's an old issue now, basically it's too late.

so he'll stay in the background, maybe at some point he'll help MC, maybe he'll apologize to Sage, but for him redemption doesn't make much sense, probably the fairest ending would be for him to be dumped by Troy as well and for his clandestine affair to end anyway (and I don't see that as difficult until it's clarified who sent the pictures and the role of Melanie and Sara)

 

[Lovetities]

Derek does not always try to help the MC. With regard to Maya, he let the MC run into the knife, with the reasoning that he only knew the MC for a short time and could not tell him about Maya because it is not his story. I can hear everyone crying out now because Derek was right about that and so on. But if you concede that to Derek so he didn't tell the MC because he only knew the MC for a short time, concede that to Maya as well. Maya and Derek met the MC on the same day. EP1-EP4.

Through Maya, the MC gets involved with their tuition problem, but one should also remember so Maya helped the MC when the MC actually ended up on the street. Yes, Derek actually talked Maya into it. However, the deal only included one day, but Maya let the MC stay with her longer.

I don't understand the world anymore. When I have a problem, my friends help me and when they have a problem, I help them. Just recently a friend asked me if I could help him out quickly with 200 €. Half an hour later he had the money and after two weeks he gave it back to me. Friends help each other.

Sure Maya let fuckface stay in her dorm but that doesn't mean she can sexually molest him while he sleep. Lies about having a boyfriend and hide the fact that her father is religious bigots, cheated on her gf(after meeting a guy for idk few days? Atleast Josy knew MC longer and both of them had a crush on eachother) among other things. She doesn't even treat Josy right if you are not dating them. I don't care if Maya has a problem or not but she is a fictional bad person. I couldn't really stay friends with someone like her.

Ps- I don't give af if she was manipulated or coerced into that shit. What she did is simply wrong and I don't think I will ever like her.

 

[dalli_x]

The main problem I have with Maya is that she was not bi but lesbian, but managed to fall for a guy within a few days. It would make for a much more interesting character if the reason she was responsive to Fuckface's advances was feeling an obligation to him but not an attraction. Then agreeing to the throuple because she's scared Josy would choose Fuckface not her, and she doesn't want to lose Fuckface as a friend either. She's then conflicted within the throuple as she feels pressured into doing things with Fuckface when she'd rather leave that stuff to Josy while she does things with Josy.

Maya was never biologically a lesbian. Mentally it is different. She grew up with two extremes. Patrick, the controlling one and Derek is a male chauvinist. So it's no wonder that Maya had a false image of the male gender and as a result felt more mentally attached to women.

 

[znar25]

Maya was never biologically a lesbian. Mentally it is different. She grew up with two extremes. Patrick, the controlling one and Derek is a male chauvinist. So it's no wonder that Maya had a false image of the male gender and as a result felt more mentally attached to women.

Plus, DPC wrote it that way.

Have a good day dalli_x

 

[KАRАMBA]

Just recently a friend asked me if I could help him out quickly with 200 €. Half an hour later he had the money and after two weeks he gave it back to me. Friends help each other.

The wounded soul of fuckface is not some pathetic 200 €. Minimum - 250 € ! Cash payment via the Quinn terminal.

 

[Darx321]

Playing this game made me realize how bad the games on this site are. Finding something decent here after playing Being a DIK is like finding a needle in a haystack. I shouldn't say this, but I kind of regret playing Being a DIK now.

If anyone wants to recommend me a game as good as this I'm all ears.

Sadly true.

Tried to play some games that I used to think were great, but after playing BaDIK I simply can't enjoy them.

Do I really have to go through the MJ branch after all?

 

[MOSG]

thanks

 

[Wizard_Shiryuu]

Yeah, she's a good person with great empathy... That's why she blackmails MC with her stolen guitar to make him spy for her a dangerous guy like Chad after seeing the alphas attack MC in the corridors. She knows that MC probably will be hurt but she just doesn't care.

She did and that was mean, but when the MC insisted and she understood how important the guitar was to the MC she gave it back anyway.

And they don't even know who dangerous is to use a taser in someone?

And considering Maya is on top of him she should be hit aswell.

 

[dalli_x]

Sure Maya let fuckface stay in her dorm but that doesn't mean she can sexually molest him while he sleep. Lies about having a boyfriend and hide the fact that her father is religious bigots, cheated on her gf(after meeting a guy for idk few days? Atleast Josy knew MC longer and both of them had a crush on eachother) among other things. She doesn't even treat Josy right if you are not dating them. I don't care if Maya has a problem or not but she is a fictional bad person. I couldn't really stay friends with someone like her.

Ps- I don't give af if she was manipulated or coerced into that shit. What she did is simply wrong and I don't think I will ever like her.

Yes, but it is right and okay for Quinn to stun the MC with a teaser and in the legal sense, rape the bound MC in front of a larger crowd. Quinn did that on his own initiative.

What Maya did, she was ordered to do by Quinn. Maya did not do that on her own impulse.

Yes she lied about having a boyfriend. However, one should also look at her entire situation with her relationship with Josy and the resulting Patrick problem. I am now turning this around completely. Maya tried to keep the MC at a distance and if he had stayed at a distance, this whole debate would be pointless.

Every character in BaDIK has their faults and does things that we consider wrong. Heck, that's life. Whether you will ever like Maya or not, I personally don't care.

 

[saynotoNTR]

The main problem is that Maya is boring as hell. Her free tuition problem is not interesting and it seems that it will last until the end of the game.

Maya started by dragging MC into a problem that was all her own, then she dragged Sage, and now she's dragging Jill...next to be dragged must be Bella.

Seriously, this Maya storyline kills her character.

 

[WhiteWolf35Uk]

Hi guys, can anyone please tell how i can end season 2 together with Jill after i did every step or way to be with her, i help'd her with musical and everythin else before and know when i most make a choice at DIK when i talk with Elena, on me appear only mod both, Sage or others, Jill name not appear, why? I most change affinity from DIK to neutral or? Help me pls, thanks

 

[BeingADikDik]

The main problem is that Maya is boring as hell. Her free tuition problem is not interesting and it seems that it will last until the end of the game.

Maya started by dragging MC into a problem that was all her own, then she dragged Sage, and now she's dragging Jill...next to be dragged must be Bella.

Seriously, this Maya storyline kills her character.

Maya is needed as a consolation prize for when DPC kills Josy.

 

[lipe2410]

The main problem is that Maya is boring as hell. Her free tuition problem is not interesting and it seems that it will last until the end of the game.

Maya started by dragging MC into a problem that was all her own, then she dragged Sage, and now she's dragging Jill...next to be dragged must be Bella.

Seriously, this Maya storyline kills her character.

 

[KАRАMBA]

What Maya did, she was ordered to do by Quinn. Maya did not do that on her own impulse.

On Quinn 's orders ? No, no. She did it "by order" of the student loan. For this reason, she was ready for many humiliating things. And say that she didn't do it on her own impuls, it means to mislead.

 

[Blue Milk]

Sure Maya let fuckface stay in her dorm but that doesn't mean she can sexually molest him while he sleep.

Nearly 4 years and people are still bitching about this.

Lies about having a boyfriend

Women do this all the time as a defensive measure to ward off male advances, it's nothing unusual or something to get in such a state over. Also she very quickly recanted which shows her that she acknowledged her mistake and wanted to remedy it.

hide the fact that her father is religious bigots

I mean, how many people irl would really bring this up to a complete stranger?

cheated on her gf(after meeting a guy for idk few days? Atleast Josy knew MC longer and both of them had a crush on eachother)

But Josy was crushing on him from the moment she saw him, she just never had an opportunity to do anything about it until later because the MC was too shy to approach her.

With Maya, the opportunity to do something was there, plus, things developed very quickly between them because they were in daily contact with each other.

Guarantee that if she had the opportunity early like this, Josy would have been all over the MC.

She doesn't even treat Josy right if you are not dating them.

We really don't see what they're like much together outside of the throuple path, and most of the time they're both acting out of frustration.

Josy's also not exactly treating Maya right either because she's still pining for the MC and that's affecting their relationship.

I don't care if Maya has a problem or not but she is a fictional bad person. I couldn't really stay friends with someone like her.

Ps- I don't give af if she was manipulated or coerced into that shit. What she did is simply wrong and I don't think I will ever like her.

Maya is not a bad person, not by a long shot. None of her actions come from a bad place and she is not acting with bad intent. She's honestly one of the strongest characters in this game because despite what her Dad has and is putting her through, she's still standing, still fighting and still soldiering on. She was willing to put herself through uncomfortable things for the sake of her relationship by joining the HOTs. She spent so much time in S1 doing what she did for her and Josy, all the while Josy was thinking about leaving Maya, either by moving to another to part of the country, or dumping her for the MC.

It's only after she thinks that Josy has given up on her that she really embraces what she was feeling for the MC, and even thinking that the "tuition" would no longer benefit both her and Josy, Maya still determines to join the HOTs for herself believing it can still free her from Patrick.

Her fortitude despite her adversity is something I feel a lot of people overlook.