VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[Gh0st_Harambe]

The next update will go from September to October and from October to November?, What do you think?

October to November

 

[Roelandt]

No. The custom renders are never posted here, namely because they're only for patrons on the $75 and above tiers, so a) there probably isn't anyone on that tier on these forums, and b) even there was someone here, there probably aren't many of them on that tier and DPC can possibly figure out which patron posted them if they did so they're not going to risk it.

The only way to get the custom renders yourself would be to pay $75, download all of them from the Patreon page, then either cancel your subscription or take it down to a lower tier.

I started off as a $5 patron, but I keep bumping it up the closer we get to the release because I'm getting more and more excited (yeah...I'm a fan...so sue me...hehe).

I'm not at a $75 member yet, but I still get lots of Renders like the Beach Fun Series. So you don't need to be a $75 dollar member to at least some of them. I can see that there are Custom Renders that are still locked to me, but I'm pleased with the the fact that Doc gives them to us in the first place. I love that he takes the time to even do them. Very cool.

 

[Roelandt]

Why would he browse pirate forums? Our opinion literally don't matter.

Well...your opinion maybe. My opinion is critical to the survival of all life on Earth.

Okay...I might have just made that up. Yep. Pretty sure I did. Nevermind.

 

[Poisonblack]

I compare the need for devs to engage with F95zone to the need for the Beatles to play the Cavern CLub when they're being offerered Shea Stadium.

Depends on the dev. Not everyone is the Beatles, most of the people are just in garage bands.

 

[flippityflop]

So what you guys are saying is... Senpai won't notice us?

 

[AvatarStormBringer]

So what you guys are saying is... Senpai won't notice us?

Yes and no. Some of us still believe that the Almighty one might still lurks in here from time to time, absorbing mountains of our ridiculous garbage ideas, and secretly making #futajill, #KRJ, #psychobellaa reality.

Sometimes it would be stupid just to ignore precious resources freely available no? Unless that person has some principles to stick to.

 

[Miskatonic81]

How dare you call psycho bella and futa jill garbage good sir

But yeah its kinda sad to hear senpai isn't here. First reply to the thread is by him and I thought that was pretty cool

 

[flippityflop]

Yes and no. Some of us still believe that the Almighty one might still lurks in here from time to time, absorbing mountains of our ridiculous garbage ideas, and secretly making #futajill, #KRJ, #psychobellaa reality.

Sometimes it would be stupid just to ignore precious resources freely available no? Unless that person has some principles to stick to.

Seriously though...
The Steam forum is just sad. Even DPC's presence there can't change that.
I never been on his Discord, so I don't know how the situation is there.

F95 gets crazy sometimes...
... okay, it gets crazy most of the time. But there's no other place I'd rather discuss this game than here.

 

[akki37]

Bella and Jill are the two thickest Main LIs of the game.

Spoiler: Let me compare

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I also noticed in beach series finale that Jill's breasts are bigger than sage.

 

[always86]

Re the previous discussion:

DPC has changed a lot during the last year or two. When he made AL he was a chippy friendly fellow who had a good sense of humour, but now when he has gone pro he's become much more tense. Understandably as Patreon support is his only income. I like to play poker for fun with friends, but it poker were my profession, I'd probably be tense and salty all the time as well. I haven't been on his discord in months, but back then he was stressed out a lot. Not of people in general, but because he set his bar so high that he has to deliver magnificent updates whatever the cost.

And about the $75 renders etc, he got really paranoid about those leaking, and towards this forum in general. The high-tier renders are requested by the paying patrons as a special reward and not for public use. AFAIK the high-tier patrons have a gentleman's agreement not to post the pictures or other awards to the larger public.

And no. He does not follow or read anything in this thread.

I initially got the game on Steam. I really loved it so I joined his Patreon. I then, discovered this forum/ thread. I’m still a Patreon at $10 a month, and in a episode launch month I will go to $25 again. if we get 2-3 chapters a year i’m paying $150-165 a year. That’s more than I paid for Ghost of Tsushima and TLOU2 combined. I’m not complaining about that, just giving an example of someone who puts a bunch of money in DPCs pocket who also uses this forum. I don’t have an issue with the $75 posts staying hidden, honestly if I were spending that much I wouldn’t share either.

Dude is making a lot of money from this game and more and more patrons are coming each day. I don't see a reason to be salty about this thread. This is free adverstising for his game and a lot of people become patrons because they discovered his game right here.

Fighting the internet is dumb. The once powerful music industry learned a very hard lesson about this in the 2000s. DPC could be smart and and think more about his actions before he faces similar problems.

Yeah he’s currently over 7200. He must be one of the most popular games, certainly Must rank high up on adult games, not to me mention the top 20 rank on Steam which is kind of incredible.

I don't think DPC is hostile to this site, but Patrons who pay high subscription fees want to feel they are getting what they pay for. This site is the reason I became a patron so the advertising is true, but I'm not a $75/month patron and it's easy to understand he wants to make them feel it's worth spending that much to support him.

Many developers get burned out either because they lose interest or get tired of the criticism. Having a developer that wants to finish projects and make them seem complete is worth supporting to me. I didn't like Acting Lessons, but even after the harsh criticism DPC still finished it with 22 possible endings.

While it is sad to here the developer is more stressed out I feel the product is of very good quality overall, obviously it keeps us engaged with thousands of pages full of people speculating, arguing, or cheering for their favorite parts of the game or characters.

While there are things DPC could do to alienate fans and patrons I don't see not leaving personal messages on a pirate site as acting in a hostile manner.

One of the issues is that with success come expectations. People accept the time lines, though start to get impatient nearer a release. One step the adult game industry will need to find a way to take is improving timelines and quality. 7000+ Patreons has got to be making him $35k a month at a minimum. (I imagine his average sub is somewhere between 5-10).

That reaches a point where you could hire someone else on 5k a month and still be making $20k plus yourself after Patreon cuts. I appreciate that comes with it’s own stress, but there are plenty of talented 3D modellers Or even programmers out there who haven’t been able to find their own success. This could ultimately reduce his stress and speed up production.

Yes and no. Some of us still believe that the Almighty one might still lurks in here from time to time, absorbing mountains of our ridiculous garbage ideas, and secretly making #futajill, #KRJ, #psychobellaa reality.

Sometimes it would be stupid just to ignore precious resources freely available no? Unless that person has some principles to stick to.

I’d be surprised if he didn’t come here. I’ve visited his discord and it’s not like he interacts much on there (he’s busy I get it). This is a pretty Good resource for opinion on the current state of the game and the direction things are going.

 

[gdpe359]

Seriously though...
The Steam forum is just sad. Even DPC's presence there can't change that.
I never been on his Discord, so I don't know how the situation is there.

F95 gets crazy sometimes...
... okay, it gets crazy most of the time. But there's no other place I'd rather discuss this game than here.

Since I'm a dirty pirate that only lurks on this forum, care to explain why the Steam forum is sad? Do you mean that very little people are discussing on Steam?

 

[Gh0st_Harambe]

Since I'm a dirty pirate that only lurks on this forum, care to explain why the Steam forum is sad? Do you mean that very little people are discussing on Steam?

As much as possible about the season was discussed, until the 2nd season does not come out the steam forum will be half dead.

 

[N7]

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I've done a fair deal of everything this past week. It started out with a few days of coding and I almost finished a new feature that I've been working hard on.

Actually, there's more than one new feature this episode, but that's something I'll leave you to discover.

I've moved on to writing and posing static renders and animations again. I need to get back to focus on writing dialogue this upcoming week to be able to have material to pose for soon.

I still have plenty of animations left to do and dialogue and static renders are almost neck and neck. It's a stressful period right now, but I'll pull through in time.

This is the current render and animation count:

1714 static renders + 68 animations

Some other nice preliminary stats for the episode, there will be at least:

-15 new licensed songs

-10 new CC0 songs

In poll news, there's an ongoing poll for "Special renders: Main girl". At the moment, it's a split poll where Sage is in the lead in the $10 poll and Isabella is in the lead in the other polls.

When tallied, Isabella is in the overall lead. The poll ends next week, so I'll report the results in the next status update.

Have a nice weekend

Dr PinkCake

 

[Meushi]

That reaches a point where you could hire someone else on 5k a month and still be making $20k plus yourself after Patreon cuts. I appreciate that comes with it’s own stress, but there are plenty of talented 3D modellers Or even programmers out there who haven’t been able to find their own success. This could ultimately reduce his stress and speed up production.

Apparently not in DPC's case, he doesn't trust anyone else so can't abide the idea of farming his work out.

Most patreon pages with this many patreons don't work solo anymore. They have 3-8 people that work actively on the project. Do you still work alone or do you get any help from employee/friends? Anf if you do, in which field? (Music,design,story,rendering...) If not, are you planning to recruit people?

Yes, many creators team up to create games. Those creators truly amaze me, because I could never do that. I get help with proofreading and beta testing, which alleviates a lot before release. Everything else I do on my own and I love every single bit of game development!

I'm not looking to recruit people for any parts of the game development. I will continue to do this gig solo until the day I stop doing it. I don't want to rely on someone else to match my workflow and high demands. I also fear that it could potentially ruin the vision I have for the game. Also, I wouldn't be a good boss, I would micro-manage way too much and that could actually end up hurting my productivity. I think the end-product would suffer if I brought more people on board, because this is a product of passion; what I'm doing right now I'm devoting the majority of my life to, for a foreseeable future.

 

[Miskatonic81]

The guy is clearly a perfectionist and it shows. I mean look at the difference in scene quality between AL and BAD, it's like fucking night and day. I just hope he doesn't burn himself out.

 

[always86]

Apparently not in DPC's case, he doesn't trust anyone else so can't abide the idea of farming his work out.

Yes, I remember reading that, but frankly the more popular he get’s the less reasonable that is. I don’t want to see a decline in quality, and I understand if he enjoys doing all the aspects himself, but at the moment he isn’t making the best Use of his resources in my opinion.

At the very least I’d like to see him do more with his resources. I know at one point he was going to include voice acting if he earned enough. He talked about hiring someone to do 2d hand drawn art of the characters. That never materialised.

 

[Miskatonic81]

Since I'm a dirty pirate that only lurks on this forum, care to explain why the Steam forum is sad? Do you mean that very little people are discussing on Steam?

They're not that active and certainly not as spicy. There's a big thread ranking top girls and then a ton of threads asking when season 2 comes out lol

 

[AvatarStormBringer]

Seriously though...
The Steam forum is just sad. Even DPC's presence there can't change that.
I never been on his Discord, so I don't know how the situation is there.

F95 gets crazy sometimes...
... okay, it gets crazy most of the time. But there's no other place I'd rather discuss this game than here.

They're not that active and certainly not as spicy. There's a big thread ranking top girls and then a ton of threads asking when season 2 comes out lol

It's not much difference here in happy crazy wonderland. You will see 1/3 asking for updates, tiermakers popping up once in a while, 1/5 fanatics praising and worshiping the cake and the rest us spicy crazies. But at least we have the crazies here right? Where else can we unload our insanity but here? We're doing for health reasons.

Meanwhile in other threads you see 1/3 deserters (those shouting abandoned), 1/3 whiners (asking for updates and entitlements), 1/4 devs actually being active (bantering, taking feedback, answering questions, showing appreciation) and the rest miscellaneous.

 

[Maviarab]

He had to sit and get models for, pose and then render each of those photos. There's no way he didn't put some thought into them. These aren't random assets he's got and thrown into a scene like the newspapers and such to flesh out the world. These are specific, custom, renders with specific models for a younger Jill, Bella and what appears to be her sister.

Chekhov's gun in most media is one thing, but in a game where you have to hand craft every inch of every scene it becomes exceptionally relevant.

I disagree here with this. Has he spent a lot of time on them specifically? Yes. Does he do this with a lot of other pointless stuff? Yes. Does that in itself neccessarily mean anything? No it really doesn't at times. Besides, if you're good with graphical editing anything is possible. I do this myself with my own stuff. No need to make custom complex models and render them.

This is the difference with DPC to anyone else and why the game is so popular. Detail. Details matter. There are some great VN's around, good quality renders, good writing. But take a really good close look at them. You know what's missing in a kitchen scene? Living room scene? Outdoor scene?

Detail.

Now I understand why, I've said before, we can't all afford to have/run 5 dedicated pc's churning out 100 renders a day in optimal quality...he can...he does and therefore you can afford to spend that little extra on small details that ultimately, hugely differentiate you from the what is a distinctively average crowd. Sure any dev could have a complex scene, then render all the different sections seperately to save on render time...but they don't. They have empty scenes...

Effort for that extra detail makes all the difference regardless of whether it's a photo or a potted plant that isn't needed.

 

[PaulGaul]

Yes, I remember reading that, but frankly the more popular he get’s the less reasonable that is. I don’t want to see a decline in quality, and I understand if he enjoys doing all the aspects himself, but at the moment he isn’t making the best Use of his resources in my opinion.

At the very least I’d like to see him do more with his resources. I know at one point he was going to include voice acting if he earned enough. He talked about hiring someone to do 2d hand drawn art of the characters. That never materialised.

This is his work ethic. We have to live with that. Compared to multiple other devs, he is still lightyears ahead in how he works & communicates.

Afaik he asked whether community wants voice acting which he was able to add knowing that it will increase development cycle timeframe more. Consensus was that his patrons can live without it.