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Won't go into too much detail but CH 9 is a lot better.....
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I agree she's an awful person, but she's a good and realistic character.
She doesn't believe Emma is a woman, she belittles her any chance she gets, she goes behind Michael's back to be nasty to Emma, and she's fueled by hatred and insecurity. There are plenty like her (and her friends) in real life.
And imho it adds a lot to the plot, it adds a way to visualize the hatred trans folks encounter daily, and creates some drama.
Sure, I hated her guts with all my might, but she's a good character for the story.
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please do something with that textbox yeesh
while i admit i know absolutely nothing about trans and the like, i feel like everyone is trying to force the female MC to getting with the male mc while i assume that's the point of the game, it kind of sucks that every character is basically brainwashing the female MC into being with the male
i'm barely on like chapter 5 i think, and i kinda feel like the Male MC is fucking up all the FMC's chances at relationships, i saw someone said Wholesome game but i am not seeing that at all the poor FMC is lonely and having a hard time connecting to people and the male mc just keeps fucking everyone the fmc gets close to
while i admit i know absolutely nothing about trans and the like, i feel like everyone is trying to force the female MC to getting with the male mc while i assume that's the point of the game, it kind of sucks that every character is basically brainwashing the female MC into being with the male
i'm barely on like chapter 5 i think, and i kinda feel like the Male MC is fucking up all the FMC's chances at relationships, i saw someone said Wholesome game but i am not seeing that at all the poor FMC is lonely and having a hard time connecting to people and the male mc just keeps fucking everyone the fmc gets close to
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I probably would have enjoyed her character if she was introduced a lot earlier but this game is slated to end by 2 more updates so at this point I'm just like bruh really the goal line is right there lol. It's making me not really enjoy her character anymore as I'm starting to feel like I won't really get a good enough ending.
Edit: Okay I got around to playing the newest chapter. I still say fuck Vicky that shit was annoying and she had like 8 sex scenes back to back to back. Hearing the MC's constant monologue was frustrating too but it all paid off in the end with the greatest ending so far. I'm now even more excited for these next 2 chapters and I recommend everyone to pick up the game on either itch, steam, or patreon if you want to see payoff/progress for our main couple.
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You're on chapter 8 or the first half of 9, yes? not gonna say too much, but the second half of chapter 9, the current update on patreon yesterday, realizations were made. Big ones. The situation that brought it about was fucked, but it ended really sweet. I'll just say you'll be pleasantly surprised.
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unfortunately seems to be the way the games designed which i feel is a problem the whole game is just brainwashing the FMC to like the Male MC, while she may have had feelings for the Male MC it was friendly and everyone just kept pushing her to be with him and confusing her till we get to the point now where she likes him, as well as Lucy sleeping with FMC then being a frozen bitch, the hole point of the LGBT club is to make them comfortable and safe and she instantly made it uncomfortable for FMC which is not okay but is glossed over in the story she should of been removed or at least had a talking to by the other leader of the club on screen so it's handled correctly.
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It's a shame the game went down this path.
Well, I hope other people like it.
Agreed. The story was going great. There was some teasing here and there from friends and family, which all seemed to be in good fun, then all of a sudden the female MC goes from being a lesbian to crazy for a boy.
Makes no sense, and is completely unfair to her character. May as well have skipped the entire first two thirds of the novel if the point was to dismiss a fundamental part of her character. Why bother making her a lesbian to begin with if the author/dev intended to ignore that and make the MCs hook up.
It's sad that the Suddenly Straight trope had to rear its ugly head, condemning the female MC to compulsory heterosexuality.
Could have been a great story for representation, especially with featuring an LGBT club. Instead it perpetuates a harmful stereotype, and all but erases her sexual orientation. Pity.
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In other words Transgirls are only allowed to date and have sex with cis girls ?
Honestly calm down ...
Comments like your's do more damage to the LGBTQIA+ community, than some random adult VN on the internet ...
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I mean just like real life things change once people explore their sexuality... the FMC is still new exploring everything as well.
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That wasn't remotely the point of what I said, quite the opposite. Perhaps you should read it again, because it sounds like you're purposely trying to misunderstand.
The point was that the female MC (Emma) was a lesbian through most of the story, then all of a sudden she is switched to being sexually attracted to a boy instead.
To put it into the perspective of what you said, that change in the story is pushing the stereotype that women are all eventually or secretly attracted to and/or want to be in relationships with men.
A trope commonly known as Suddenly Straight; where a character pulls a flip-flop in terms of proclaimed sexuality. It's just as harmful as the belief that trans and gay are the same; equating sexual orientation and gender identity, despite them being separate.
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Just as the female MC's sister states in the novel, sexuality and gender are different; which Emma appreciated.
That should have been a reaffirming moment, since the one who had teased her the most was making a serious statement about how gender identity and sexual orientation are not linked to one another.
Emma has spent the totality of the story discovering what it means to be her true self, as a woman. Her sexuality was never in question.
Until one incident, on one drunken night, the author decides to pull a switch and invalidate the rest of the story, and a core part of the female MC's character.
I don't think it's that bad, first of all bi people exist and Emma is still very much attracted to women we see her hooking up with Kim plenty of times.
Second, sexual orientation isn't immutable it can change over time, and this is known since the fifties.
Third, Emma is a trans woman, she's undergoing Hormone Replacement Therapy and a documented side effect is a change in sexual orientation with HRT. Hormones affect everything in our body, including what we are attracted to.
Second, sexual orientation isn't immutable it can change over time, and this is known since the fifties.
Third, Emma is a trans woman, she's undergoing Hormone Replacement Therapy and a documented side effect is a change in sexual orientation with HRT. Hormones affect everything in our body, including what we are attracted to.
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Mate have you actually played the game ? It was clear from the beginning that Emma had feelings for the Male prota !
The whole story is about a transgirl that had always deeper feelings about her best friend (who is as male btw. ) even before the transition ...
It's actually a love story ! And i'am kinda surprised we even have that conservation about something that was stated early on in the thread !
Just play the game for what it was meant to be instead of trying to push your own agenda !
btw. Woltemessi with the big Nick energy ! Come on Newcastle !!!
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You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.
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Well in that case correct me please !
And i'am honestly okey with being teached something new every day .
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I did read it, and very much enjoyed it, right up until the end of chapter six.Mate have you actually played the game ? It was clear from the beginning that Emma had feelings for the Male prota !
Would love to see where, prior to the bar scene, especially in "the beginning" that you mentioned, Emma says she has feelings beyond friendship for the male MC. She quite literally says exactly the opposite on a regular basis. So much so that it kind of became a running joke, and the sister and Claire's favorite thing to tease her about. It's even evident that Emma gets annoyed with them because of it, due to having no romantic feelings toward the male MC at all.
The whole story, up to chapter seven, was about a trans girl and her best friend going off to uni, and starting a new chapter in their lives as the Best Friends they had always been. There was absolutely nothing about any romantic feelings between them, and even after they had been there for months there was still nothing along those lines.
Even the dev stated early on in this thread that:
The dev reaffirms this in other posts, and goes on to say that they are trying to show the trans perspective, to make something that shows their struggles, for people who are often misunderstood and victims of prejudice. Yet has decided to make Emma into a stereotype with these latest updates: She's a woman, so she must like a guy. That's where the problem lies.
The story isn't tagged as a romance, nor is it written as one. It's more of a slice of life about two close friends, and their time at uni. Sharing their experiences, discovering what life has to offer, as supportive friends to one another. For that matter, up until the start of chapter seven, every interaction between the two protagonists, that isn't directly talking about Emma's transition, could have been any gender or sexuality, and it would have changed very little. Just two long-standing friends, with no romance between them, whatsoever. The teasing they got from friends and family could have just as easily been for any two close friends who had known each other since they were kids.
There was nothing between them beyond friendship, and it would have been great if that continued through the story. Instead we get a sharp turn away from that story, and out of nowhere a drunken hug negates Emma's sexuality; developing an instant sexual attraction to the male MC, where there previously was none, as stated several times by her, and confirmed by the devs own comments.
For some reason, it turns into something out of a bad fantasy; where someone thinks they can turn someone straight, despite every indication to the contrary.
I'm not pushing an agenda, I'm pointing out a trope that derailed the story; one that does more harm than good. It's that simple. As for what it's meant to be, I had thought based upon the first two thirds of the story, and with the author's/dev's earlier comments, it was going to be a story where we would see empathetic representation, rather than one where Emma becomes a punchline.
The conversation between Emma's mom and the potential client was fantastic. Truly showcased the bigotry that the trans community has to deal with on a regular basis, and really brought out the love and support that Emma's mom has for her daughter. One of the best scenes in the whole story. Just confuses me how a dev that puts something that great into the story can't see that messing up Emma's sexuality is harmful, especially with how good and helpful that scene was.
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