Ren'Py Big Brother: Another Story Rebuild [v0.07.01] [Aleksey90]

[Nemo56]

Exactly, a must have item in a proper NTR environment, or a simple voyeurism. Cameras and Eric do not exclude each other, Alexey with his BB_AS proves that.

My point was that only Eric OR the camera can have been the "first thing that appeared in the game". I never said they exclude each other.
(well actually it was the house and Max, but the camera was the first 'thing' that would influence story and/or gameplay)

That Max keeps spying on everyone we all know all too well, the game is called Big Brother for a reason I guess. But NTR an voyeurism are far from being the same. In NTR you lose a loved one to someone else (meaning that person causes you to suffer, which is the essence of NTR).

Well, because he imposes various interdictions, ruining Max's plans and making his life more difficult. If you want a game with a bit more complex challenges than simple corruption of girls, Eric is the right choice. It is beyond my comprehension why people want to simplify the game. Grinding money to buy outfits for Alice for her blogging? I'm sure original BB became famous for something else.

That's just a different story, but no challenge. If you say that without him it's a grindy VN, then with him it's just the same.
Removing Eric does not simplify the game, you do exactly the same things really. But he gives no challenge, he just makes you grind more and that also only on War path. On the other paths you don't even need to do that. He brings no complexity to the game.

I don't care for corruption btw, I find that rather stupid to be honest, that should never be a stat in a game (gladly in BB it isn't). I prefer a good storyline with characters who also act on their own behalf, not just as a reaction to the MC (of course he usually but not always makes the first step).

Grinding money to buy outfits for Alice for her blogging? I'm sure original BB became famous for something else.

On that point we agree and I already stated what I think it was.

Gameplaywise and storywise I have played quite a few games that are more complex than BB was and none of them had a Eric in them. Sure, some included competition storywise, but none had a dickhead like him in the game. And they were not bad either.
Adding or removing Eric neither makes the gameplay better nor does it make it worse, it only affects the storyline. He is just there for people with a different taste, that's all. What it does change, is how the games appeals to certain people. It's not a discussion about how the game would be better or not, it just a matter of "want",

 

[Saluja]

My point was that only Eric OR the camera can have been the "first thing that appeared in the game". I never said they exclude each other.
(well actually it was the house and Max, but the camera was the first 'thing' that would influence story and/or gameplay)

That Max keeps spying on everyone we all know all too well, the game is called Big Brother for a reason I guess. But NTR an voyeurism are far from being the same. In NTR you lose a loved one to someone else (meaning that person causes you to suffer, which is the essence of NTR).


That's just a different story, but no challenge. If you say that without him it's a grindy VN, then with him it's just the same.
Removing Eric does not simplify the game, you do exactly the same things really. But he gives no challenge, he just makes you grind more and that also only on War path. On the other paths you don't even need to do that. He brings no complexity to the game.

I don't care for corruption btw, I find that rather stupid to be honest, that should never be a stat in a game (gladly in BB it isn't). I prefer a good storyline with characters who also act on their own behalf, not just as a reaction to the MC (of course he usually but not always makes the first step).


On that point we agree and I already stated what I think it was.

Gameplaywise and storywise I have played quite a few games that are more complex than BB was and none of them had a Eric in them. Sure, some included competition storywise, but none had a dickhead like him in the game. And they were not bad either.
Adding or removing Eric neither makes the gameplay better nor does it make it worse, it only affects the storyline. He is just there for people with a different taste, that's all. What it does change, is how the games appeals to certain people. It's not a discussion about how the game would be better or not, it just a matter of "want",

that is true , by the way this update took a long time..

 

[dwalsh]

That's just a different story, but no challenge. If you say that without him it's a grindy VN, then with him it's just the same.
Removing Eric does not simplify the game, you do exactly the same things really. But he gives no challenge, he just makes you grind more and that also only on War path. On the other paths you don't even need to do that. He brings no complexity to the game.

Maybe you can help me with this but what plans does Eric ruin? I know it's been a while since I restarted a game but I don't recall max having any plan before his first encounter with Eric? And to me every action was a reaction to counter Eric, am I wrong and should refresh my memory with a fresh game?

 

[Nemo56]

Maybe you can help me with this but what plans does Eric ruin? I know it's been a while since I restarted a game but I don't recall max having any plan before his first encounter with Eric? And to me every action was a reaction to counter Eric, am I wrong and should refresh my memory with a fresh game?

Well, we don't know anything about any story before the game, so I guess it's about Alice needing money and the whole blog thing. She needed money from the beginning. Eric CAN interfere with that to a certain degree.

 

[.Black Panther.]

Exactly, a must have item in a proper NTR environment, or a simple voyeurism. Cameras and Eric do not exclude each other, Alexey with his BB_AS proves that.
Well, because he imposes various interdictions, ruining Max's plans and making his life more difficult. If you want a game with a bit more complex challenges than simple corruption of girls, Eric is the right choice. It is beyond my comprehension why people want to simplify the game. Grinding money to buy outfits for Alice for her blogging? I'm sure original BB became famous for something else.

My point was that only Eric OR the camera can have been the "first thing that appeared in the game". I never said they exclude each other.

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Maybe you can help me with this but what plans does Eric ruin? I know it's been a while since I restarted a game but I don't recall max having any plan before his first encounter with Eric? And to me every action was a reaction to counter Eric, am I wrong and should refresh my memory with a fresh game?

Well, we don't know anything about any story before the game, so I guess it's about Alice needing money and the whole blog thing. She needed money from the beginning. Eric CAN interfere with that to a certain degree.

Eric is in the game for two reasons:
1) Add game challenges. (Hostile path)
2) Add NTR to the game (Friendship Paths)
Eric's presence in the game imposes challenges on Max (MC).
In the game, if someone follows the path of complete friendship, he will experience less challenges than other paths.

In this game challenges is the main idea of the game. So challenges will never be removed from this game. With the entry of official cheat mode into the game, some of the game processes will be easier, this will also be optional. Those who enjoy this level of game difficulty can not use this mode, and those who want an easier process can use this mode to simplify the game a bit, but the challenges will not be less.
The events in this game take place step by step and in a process. And it is not that in the blink of an eye everything changes about what happens inside the villa within a week. Up to this version of the game requires at least 105 days in the game to complete the entire game process (without using cheats).
Moving into a new home changes life events for the game MC. The opportunity for voyeurism arises for him. In these opportunities, he moves forward and tries to take events to a higher level. Eric's presence prevents him or helps him with it. He will face challenges to get closer to the characters in the game, as well as challenges to stop Eric and get rid of him, or challenges to get more benefit from what is happening inside the villa.

Buying clothes for Alice and others is not the reason for the game's appeal, but Max's efforts and use of every opportunity to get closer to each of the characters and the process of taking the relationship to a higher level is the idea and the reason.

And it's true ,whether Eric is in the game or not ، It only changes the way the challenges in the game. The presence of a character on nerves like Eric only motivates a group of players to try to get rid of him by accepting challenges. Or another group try to achieve MC goals under his shadow.

Why do Max and Alice need more money?
It is almost certain about Max
1)Max needs money because it helps him a lot to get closer to the other characters
2)And that he can establish himself as an alpha male.
About Alice:
1) Alice is the eldest child in the family, so there is more pressure on her to be able to cover her own expenses.
2) As it is said in the story of the game, when game characters moved from the old house to this villa, most of the Alice stuffs, clothes and etc was lost in the shifting, so she needs to replace those all again.

 

[pron2021]

With how the 'job' work goes for Max, he should have an option for his mom to just change jobs and teach or something if Eric is harassing her at work (since Max can earn enough via site to pay for the house costs later in the game, maybe his sister doing her blog can chip in as she is successful and mom can chip in when she changes jobs.). Hell it could even go a legal route since I'm pretty sure it is illegal if reported to sexually harass employees. This is something I'd only see for the majority of us that aren't a fan of NTR. If you like NTR, continue sucking the Eric's dick for all I care. but shit. Don't gotta force it on the rest of us (but who am I kidding. We're talking about NTR fetishists. They love forcing that shit on people who don't want it. Kinda is part of the fetish lmao).
I still feel the war path is completely broken though. I've played through the game 4 times since the 'war' path let you get rid of eric, and every time I'm never triggering those rare scenes to 'bust' Eric. Honestly would not be able to play the path/game without the saves you provided, Dwalsh. So thanks again.

Before finding the game(s) on here I actually thought Big Brother is just some incest comics
https://f95zone.to/threads/big-brother-ch-1-18-dark-silver.44990/
I actually liked the comics and was shocked when I saw that it's originally a NTR/cuck game
which makes me wonder if there is one BB game without NTR

 

[ann87ra]

Before finding the game(s) on here I actually thought Big Brother is just some incest comics
https://f95zone.to/threads/big-brother-ch-1-18-dark-silver.44990/
I actually liked the comics and was shocked when I saw that it's originally a NTR/cuck game
which makes me wonder if there is one BB game without NTR

Glamour
https://f95zone.to/threads/glamour-v0-47-dark-silver.10579/page-1193

 

[Nemo56]

Before finding the game(s) on here I actually thought Big Brother is just some incest comics
https://f95zone.to/threads/big-brother-ch-1-18-dark-silver.44990/
I actually liked the comics and was shocked when I saw that it's originally a NTR/cuck game
which makes me wonder if there is one BB game without NTR

There are quite some games that share BBs spirit, one of them is Man of the House (milf mom, bitchy older sis, innocent younger sis, her best friend, milf neighbor). I liked that a lot (it was completed years ago), but I never much liked the char designs. The ones from BB are still my favorites (Alice is just top notch .... DAMN!!) and so far Alexey did a better job when it comes to posing and render quality than the original creator did. When it comes to VNs one of my favorites would be No More Secrets. It had a nice tone and was written ok, models looked good.
And well, as I said ... if you keep Eric in line, there will be no NTR That happens only if he kicks you from the house. In that case you WILL lose the girls to him.

 

[Chaosguy]

Thanks Nemo56, I will check out Man of the House. Looks interesting!!!!

 

[.Black Panther.]

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[Luciano]

More animation plis!!!

 

[Zuxxy]

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Can't wait...

 

[TomUK]

Thanks Nemo56, I will check out Man of the House. Looks interesting!!!!

One of the first ones I played, didn't know about this site then and got it on steam. Would have to agree it was a good game, I enjoyed it.

 

[khumak]

My point was that only Eric OR the camera can have been the "first thing that appeared in the game". I never said they exclude each other.
(well actually it was the house and Max, but the camera was the first 'thing' that would influence story and/or gameplay)

That Max keeps spying on everyone we all know all too well, the game is called Big Brother for a reason I guess. But NTR an voyeurism are far from being the same. In NTR you lose a loved one to someone else (meaning that person causes you to suffer, which is the essence of NTR).


That's just a different story, but no challenge. If you say that without him it's a grindy VN, then with him it's just the same.
Removing Eric does not simplify the game, you do exactly the same things really. But he gives no challenge, he just makes you grind more and that also only on War path. On the other paths you don't even need to do that. He brings no complexity to the game.

I don't care for corruption btw, I find that rather stupid to be honest, that should never be a stat in a game (gladly in BB it isn't). I prefer a good storyline with characters who also act on their own behalf, not just as a reaction to the MC (of course he usually but not always makes the first step).


On that point we agree and I already stated what I think it was.

Gameplaywise and storywise I have played quite a few games that are more complex than BB was and none of them had a Eric in them. Sure, some included competition storywise, but none had a dickhead like him in the game. And they were not bad either.
Adding or removing Eric neither makes the gameplay better nor does it make it worse, it only affects the storyline. He is just there for people with a different taste, that's all. What it does change, is how the games appeals to certain people. It's not a discussion about how the game would be better or not, it just a matter of "want",

I think the comparison of Eric to the cams is actually a good one. Most good stories need an antagonist, but the antagonist doesn't need to be a person. It could be money problems or any other hurdle for the MC to overcome. The money issue could definitely have been focused on more and made the inclusion of Eric completely unnecessary except to people who want cuck content. I don't mind him being there as long as I can completely shut him down and eventually get rid of him. What I don't like is when there are scenes where he's guaranteed to win, the exception being with Ann since he's her boyfriend. There are some Eric scenes with Alice, Lisa, and Kira that are either unavoidable or require info not contained in the in game hints to avoid, which I find annoying.

 

[greenymph]

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I don't know why, i just find Ann uninteresting. She's like in the bottom of my list of girls that i'm eager for new scenes:
1- Alice
2- Lisa
3- Kira
4- Olivia
5- Ann
6- ...everyone else.

Also, i'm seeing her in some pretty explicit situations with Max already in the previews and sketches, and i'm starting to worry Ann's arc will become rushed. Imho, shouldn't Ann be the toughest one to seduce? She's the one that's always uptight with everything.. i'm not really understanding how she's getting so open with Max, since its so taboo. I don't know... feels rushed Its not like she gets loose with liquor chocolats...

Anyway, just my opinion.

 

[pron2021]

I don't know why, i just find Ann uninteresting.

A milf hater!

 

[khumak]

I don't know why, i just find Ann uninteresting. She's like in the bottom of my list of girls that i'm eager for new scenes:
1- Alice
2- Lisa
3- Kira
4- Olivia
5- Ann
6- ...everyone else.

Also, i'm seeing her in some pretty explicit situations with Max already in the previews and sketches, and i'm starting to worry Ann's arc will become rushed. Imho, shouldn't Ann be the toughest one to seduce? She's the one that's always uptight with everything.. i'm not really understanding how she's getting so open with Max, since its so taboo. I don't know... feels rushed Its not like she gets loose with liquor chocolats...

Anyway, just my opinion.

I would put Ann at the top of the list personally. As for how her progress works, just speculation, but based on what we've seen so far I bet it's a combination of night time massages progressing further while watching naughty videos, and Ann being sexually frustrated once Eric is gone. Just a guess. I am surprised by how far it seems like she'll be going as well though so maybe there's something new. I was not a big fan of the whole carpal tunnel thing in the original. Maybe if she was portrayed as a complete bimbo who might fall for that, but she wasn't.

 

[greenymph]

khumak Its a forum, we can speculate all we want and that's fun
I agree that the night time massages might be the angle from where she's being so open to Max, but still.. didn't she just breakup with Eric? Like a week or two before? She's already so sexually frustrated that she's letting herself get naughty with her son?
I don't know, it seems like a big leap for a character that's supposed to be so uptight like a nun

 

[armion82]

I don't know why, i just find Ann uninteresting. She's like in the bottom of my list of girls that i'm eager for new scenes:
1- Alice
2- Lisa
3- Kira
4- Olivia
5- Ann
6- ...everyone else.

Also, i'm seeing her in some pretty explicit situations with Max already in the previews and sketches, and i'm starting to worry Ann's arc will become rushed. Imho, shouldn't Ann be the toughest one to seduce? She's the one that's always uptight with everything.. i'm not really understanding how she's getting so open with Max, since its so taboo. I don't know... feels rushed Its not like she gets loose with liquor chocolats...

Anyway, just my opinion.

Some of the previews are not for next realease,but for after 3-4 updates.

 

[Saluja]

i love eric