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DawnCry

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ptahn Overall the main talk was about Eric being a challenge, but the developer could just give everyone a way, make it a challenge for those that want it and those that don't want it just give them an option to lock all Eric related stats so that he can't manage to do anything.

Personally I enjoy a challenging game but very few developers try this way, overall it's okay that the developer adds a way out for those that dislike that content but no matter what it's done related to make NTR optional or avoidable those that hate it will never shut up, why? because they hate the fetish and no matter what the developer does they will keep hating it, just because it exists.

Overall the other day was reading comments about Seed of chaos and it's incredible how absurd people can be related to NTR, a content that in the game is the most gated content I have ever seen, asking multiple times about NTR and even making you choose the NTR options if you wanna see them and with even more warnings.
 

alfeatcat

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This has to be one of the most ridiculous posts I have ever read. Alpha males like to be alpha males from the start, not start out as a beta male. In this game Max starts out as the beta male and mean old Eric is the alpha male. How does Max take down Eric? As I recall, one option is to sneak around around and try to photograph Eric perving on the sisters. If successful, Max then tells mommy and she gets rid of the big bad man. The other option is to sneak around and overhear a phone conversation leading you to suspect Eric is not who he says he is. After Eric has sex with Ann and falls asleep, you sneak into the bedroom to look in his wallet. You are unsuccessful so Eric has your mom force you to give Eric your lunch money. You later can be successful and find out Eric's true identity. With the help of your aunt, you can get some other bad men to come take care of Eric. Could the pathway to becoming the alpha male be any less "manly" than the pathways in this game.
What I meant is: Without a strong opponent who can be defeated, there can be no good feeling of victory.
And anyone who screams against an "Eric" may not be a challenge.

The translation program may have misrepresented something here. I have to have it translated because my English is not that good.
 
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Shirafune

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  1. Will we be able to git rid of Eric in this game.

  2. 3h
    Yes, there will be a number of ways to do this.
You were supposed to find out if there will be a possibility of not getting rid of Eric to advance the game, meaning allow Eric to corrupt the girls or work together with him haha
I've done it now tho
 

ptahn

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ptahn Overall the main talk was about Eric being a challenge, but the developer could just give everyone a way, make it a challenge for those that want it and those that don't want it just give them an option to lock all Eric related stats so that he can't manage to do anything.

Personally I enjoy a challenging game but very few developers try this way, overall it's okay that the developer adds a way out for those that dislike that content but no matter what it's done related to make NTR optional or avoidable those that hate it will never shut up, why? because they hate the fetish and no matter what the developer does they will keep hating it, just because it exists.

Overall the other day was reading comments about Seed of chaos and it's incredible how absurd people can be related to NTR, a content that in the game is the most gated content I have ever seen, asking multiple times about NTR and even making you choose the NTR options if you wanna see them and with even more warnings.
I don't agree. My experience has been that NTR haters say one of two things. 1) NTR, I hate it. I will never play this game. 2) NTR, I hate it. Can you please make it avoidable? Once it is made avoidable, they don't continue to complain about it. Early in a game's development there will be constant calls for the content to be made avoidable, but that is because new people keep looking at the game. Usually the comments trail off to posters just asking if the content is avoidable so they can decide if they want to play it.

As I mentioned in my previous post, Eric could still be a challenge. Just make it possible to defeat Eric before he starts having sex with Ann (or Kira.) If that is too much of an issue for the developer to have two divergent paths for that long, then make it possible for those that don't want Eric to remove him earlier. Perhaps when Max asks what happens at work if you get into a fight? Ann decides that she needs her job and dating her boss would be a bad idea. Eric never enters the picture.

By reading the previous posts anyone can see that many people are leaving this game or not giving this game a chance because of Eric content. Financially it makes sense for the developer to offer a non-NTR path. I will commit right now that I will support this game if the NTR content is made avoidable. Eric can still be in the game, Max just has to have the opportunity to stop Eric before Eric starts a sexual relation with any of the women. My rash of posts started when someone complained after my post asking to have the value needed to trigger Eric's removal posted once it became possible do to so. I had not even asked for any content change.
 
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armion82

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What I meant is: Without a strong opponent who can be defeated, there can be no good feeling of victory.
And anyone who screams against an "Eric" may not be a challenge.

The translation program may have misrepresented something here. I have to have it translated because my English is not that good.
You do realise that not everybody need to beat Roger Federer on tennis or run faster than Usain Bolt,to fell he made a great victory?
 

ptahn

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What I meant is: Without a strong opponent who can be defeated, there can be no good feeling of victory.
And anyone who screams against an "Eric" may not be a challenge.

The translation program may have misrepresented something here. I have to have it translated because my English is not that good.
If Eric is so necessary to the game, how does the majority of the game occur after he is gone? Why create a game to continue the story? Is the victory in this game getting rid of Eric or the conquest of your family? I think the latter is possible without the former.
 

ptahn

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So I am glad Eric is in the game.
I just want to be able to get rid of him hopefully with a baseball bat , meat grinder , wood chipper or shotgun blast to the face from 6''. Maybe some combination of those.
No, you have to get your mom or your aunt to get rid of him while you hide behind their skirts.
 

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But don't you think that if Eric is gone then this game makes no difference with any other vanilla games? basically you were the only guy in the game living with females family member, seduce them, blackmail, corrupting them and so on. That is the typical background story for most of these games. Eric is what makes this game stand out from any other. That's why i said it was easier to just leave the game and find something else to play with than trying so hard to alter the game's code just to make the guy disappear.
 

maxbishup

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No, you have to get your mom or your aunt to get rid of him while you hide behind their skirts.
Well that was last time hopefully not this time. ( It was not my ideal ) Max should have bin allowed to kill Eric and hide or destroy the body. Maybe run him through meat grinder make hamburgers feed them to Ann.
 
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maxbishup

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But don't you think that if Eric is gone then this game makes no difference with any other vanilla games? basically you were the only guy in the game living with females family member, seduce them, blackmail, corrupting them and so on. That is the typical background story for most of these games. Eric is what makes this game stand out from any other. That's why i said it was easier to just leave the game and find something else to play with than trying so hard to alter the game's code just to make the guy disappear.
I do not have a problem with competition. But when someone come in the home takes over and overnight convinces mom to get rid off you if you step one foot out of line with him. while you are powerless to fight back. Then yes I have a problem with it. Thankfully I know now that I can get rid of him. If fare competition is placed in the game thin I am all for it. For those that like NTR I hope they are allowed to keep Eric in the game.
 

DawnCry

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I don't agree. My experience has been that NTR haters say one of two things. 1) NTR, I hate. I will never play this game. 2) NTR, I hate it. Can you please make it avoidable? Once it is made avoidable, they don't continue to complain about it. Early in a game's development there will be constant calls for the content to be made avoidable, but that is because new people keep looking at the game. Usually the comments trail off to posters just asking if the content is avoidable so they can decide if they want to play it.

As I mentioned in my previous post, Eric could still be a challenge. Just make it possible to defeat Eric before he starts having sex with Ann (or Kira.) If that is too much of an issue for the developer to have two divergent paths for that long, then make it possible for those that don't want Eric to remove him earlier. Perhaps when Max asks what happens at work if you get into a fight? Ann decides that she needs her job and dating her boss would be a bad idea. Eric never enters the picture.

By reading the previous posts anyone can see that many people are leaving this game or not giving this game a chance because of Eric content. Financially it makes sense for the developer to offer a non-NTR path. I will commit right now that I will support this game if the NTR content is made avoidable. Eric can still be in the game, Max just has to have the opportunity to stop Eric before Eric starts a sexual relation with any of the women. My rash of posts started when someone complained after my post asking to have the value needed to trigger Eric's removal posted once it became possible do to so. I had not even asked for any content change.
Your experience with NTR haters is just that, your experience, overall depending on the side of the wall that you are you will see different things, I'm kind of neutral on NTR, I never play to lose, but I don't like easy victories and the haters I have seen aren't what you say, I have seen patreons public posts being bombarded with haters messages, developers telling that the haters don't stop messaging them, one of the most recent example is the developer of goddess saga: darkness, ask the developer if you want and if you want a list of games that suffered too much hate for it then I can make one of you, I still remember many games being heavily attacked for it.

This is something that happens a lot.

And here is something that you should understand, Ann and Eric is part of the storyline, that part should never be avoidable. It's what motivates the story, of course on the sisters case you are right, it should be avoidable based on choices and actions. Even more it's wrong to call that NTR, that the mother of the character gets a boyfriend.

But the main point is the following, what you are asking is exactly the opposite of what I think, you see the only thing I'm asking is for a challenge and difficulty that I can overcome, while what you ask is to absolutely separate them and make them into routes. The funny thing is that what I ask can actually give you the game you want, but what you ask is impossible to give it to me:

-If you divide the game in paths, it is based on direct options/choices, you kind of killed all the interaction you can have in the game and all actions that the characters can take. You choose the path so you get it from beginning to end.

-If on the other hand follow what I propose the game itself would be more like a challenge and it would be easy to add a way out for those that dislike it, you just need an option like disable NTR and lock all stats that Eric has with the girls at 0. It would let you play the game without fear of NTR, albeit the experience would be more interesting if you tried and won.

Lastly about your financial point... it worked like that when the adult market started, but now... not so much. Overall this is something that happens a lot, first we go into games that try to offer a bit for everyone, but then when the number of games increase, people won't be able to support all of them, so they will only support those that give a concept that attracts them more, that has a biggest representation of their fetishes. Overall what truly matters is the concept and that people like it. Personally I'm the first one that dislikes pure unavoidable NTR from beginning to end, I can understand to use it at the beginning as a resource to motivate the story, but later on I only want it to exist in the avoidable version.

I do not have a problem with competition. But when someone come in the home takes over and overnight convinces mom to get rid off you if you step one foot out of line with him. while you are powerless to fight back. Then yes I have a problem with it. Thankfully I know now that I can get rid of him. If fare competition is placed in the game thin I am all for it. For those that like NTR I hope they are allowed to keep Eric in the game.
I totally agree with you, in fact the mother is kind of messed up to submit so fast. But well overall in the aspect of competition, I only ask for a competition that I can win, starting at an unfair point it makes it more sweet the victory.

If Eric is so necessary to the game, how does the majority of the game occur after he is gone? Why create a game to continue the story? Is the victory in this game getting rid of Eric or the conquest of your family? I think the latter is possible without the former.
About this part I suppose you didn't notice the quality drop in storyline, the incomplete parts because of a rushed kicking of Eric and how the game tried to generate a different antagonist by using Alice and forcing her character to evolve that way out of nowhere.
 
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armion82

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About this part I suppose you didn't notice the quality drop in storyline, the incomplete parts because of a rushed kicking of Eric and how the game tried to generate a different antagonist by using Alice and forcing her character to evolve that way out of nowhere.
Despite the fact that I realy like BB,I can say the game never have a real storyline.Just a bunch of events that delete the one before them.Each new update just replace all old activities you can do instead of adding more.
Not to mention how bad the dev menage to implement Eric in the game.
All females just lost like 50% of their intelligence,Ann almost 100%.
Like for real-Ann start talking about marriage on day 6-wtf.
 

ptahn

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Your experience with NTR haters is just that, your experience, overall depending on the side of the wall that you are you will see different things, I'm kind of neutral on NTR, I never play to lose, but I don't like easy victories and the haters I have seen aren't what you say, I have seen patreons public posts being bombarded with haters messages, developers telling that the haters don't stop messaging them, one of the most recent example is the developer of goddess saga: darkness, ask the developer if you want and if you want a list of games that suffered too much hate for it then I can make one of you, I still remember many games being heavily attacked for it.

This is something that happens a lot.

And here is something that you should understand, Ann and Eric is part of the storyline, that part should never be avoidable. It's what motivates the story, of course on the sisters case you are right, it should be avoidable based on choices and actions. Even more it's wrong to call that NTR, that the mother of the character gets a boyfriend.

But the main point is the following, what you are asking is exactly the opposite of what I think, you see the only thing I'm asking is for a challenge and difficulty that I can overcome, while what you ask is to absolutely separate them and make them into routes. The funny thing is that what I ask can actually give you the game you want, but what you ask is impossible to give it to me:

-If you divide the game in paths, it is based on direct options/choices, you kind of killed all the interaction you can have in the game and all actions that the characters can take. You choose the path so you get it from beginning to end.

-If on the other hand follow what I propose the game itself would be more like a challenge and it would be easy to add a way out for those that dislike it, you just need an option like disable NTR and lock all stats that Eric has with the girls at 0. It would let you play the game without fear of NTR, albeit the experience would be more interesting if you tried and won.

Lastly about your financial point... it worked like that when the adult market started, but now... not so much. Overall this is something that happens a lot, first we go into games that try to offer a bit for everyone, but then when the number of games increase, people won't be able to support all of them, so they will only support those that give a concept that attracts them more, that has a biggest representation of their fetishes. Overall what truly matters is the concept and that people like it. Personally I'm the first one that dislikes pure unavoidable NTR from beginning to end, I can understand to use it at the beginning as a resource to motivate the story, but later on I only want it to exist in the avoidable version.



I totally agree with you, in fact the mother is kind of messed up to submit so fast. But well overall in the aspect of competition, I only ask for a competition that I can win, starting at an unfair point it makes it more sweet the victory.



About this part I suppose you didn't notice the quality drop in storyline, the incomplete parts because of a rushed kicking of Eric and how the game tried to generate a different antagonist by using Alice and forcing her character to evolve that way out of nowhere.
I hear that the Patreon posts get ugly, I am just speaking about what I see here.

You say that the story line gets weaker by making Alice the antagonist but then agree that the mother was messed up at the beginning. I say both story lines are weak, you are just willing to overlook the flaws at the beginning of the story.

WVM is as far from NTR as you can get and still have more than one male character in the game. The game has been out since the end of August and already brings in close to $7000/month. Are his renders the best? There really good but not the best. Is the story the most compelling? No, only six game days have occurred so far. Why is he so successful? No NTr, almost all the women are virgins. Romance will guilt free sex with many partners. He gives the paying audience what it wants.
 
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