Ren'Py Big Brother: Another Story Rebuild [v0.08.02] [Aleksey90]

[Deleted member 361485]

I've checked his patreon and every public posted is getting nuked with people going "another shit ntr game" geez.. hopefully it won't discourage him at what he has originally planned

It will. I mean if its about money and most people just want a safe space...then thats what will be provided. So funny tho, half the 'ntr' labeled games are like 'oh noes there is this one scene where my second cousins sisters Aunt mentions that she had sex with this one dude one time WAAAAH totally cucked now'

 

[Burt Reynolds Mustache]

People must understand one thing.Asking to add more routes in the game,will inevitable lead to slowing the game a lot.Of course if you have 4 paths,and not just 2,it will take much more time to make some significant progress.But I continue to see same people asking for more routes in games and after just 3-4 months start to complain that the game is too slow,the dev is milking etc.
Games with more routes usualy are done in 4 ways.
1.An update for route A,then route B,route C etc. and repeat.It can be not in same order of course
2.Some small content for each route
3.Circling between number 1 and 2.
4.Let the patrons to vote which path or girls should be worked on.
The 4-th is the one that almost always lead to game been either abandoned or "finished" way earlier than the initial idea.
I have saw complains about the other 3 too.
Especially for first/you can wait even years for your girl to finally get some content/ and second/there is barely any progress/.

Well I think part of it will be how difficult it is to port the game and the initial features to Ren'py in the first place. This does have the advantage that the original BB is IMO nearly complete with what honestly would have been about 3-4 updates of realistic material left in the first place. How well you want to do it is the other question, and I mentioned some of the issues design wise that also likely contributed to the Eric cuts more than just a marked distaste in a portion of the fanbase for NTR. Now routes or changes have to be designed with the ability for them to merge in seamlessly with a later route. During the design process this could be difficult especially if the end game scenarios aren't done, but DS also made things much more difficult than they needed to be.

One example is the Lisa/Olivia route. That route simply ended because it was difficult to merge into the sex-ed route and vice versa according to DS. I found that a bit odd as all of the NON Sex ed scenes (original Sex ed, not the abomination that wasthe Ann sex ed route) could easily take place after they were unlocked with the Olivia route, just with slightly different dialog. Or coming from the other angle, instead of a completely different and boring new olivia story on the girlfriend route with Lisa you could have started bringing in the scenes with Olivia and Alex, and just ignored the part with Lisa and Alex, not a lot to be lost there.

The funny thing is because of the layout of the game, the proposed Eric additions are probably going to be the easiest things to add. Alice doesn't need to change her story at ll if Eric fucked her before Max. The only one that would have to change would be Lisa, her sex ed with Eric could run concurrent with an Olvia storyline, and Eric's sex ed could replace the MC's attempts on the girlfriend route. The hooks are there for Max to peep on the lessons, and the only reason DS didn't do it was to avoid another uprising. Whoever pops her cherry, well with a couple of dialog changes, are all that would be required. You could still reuse all of the Lisa/Max images later, maybe with 1-2 different ones, and just change the dialog. Hell if you wanted to go real lazy just add one or two lines that she pretends she is a virgin, when she isn't.

What all of this does take is planning, and that is something I think it was clear was more than a bit lacking in the original BB release. THe problems in that game were manifold, and I'm sure my rants in the original BB thread are still there, and worthwhile. The key is not making every route completely different, but figuring out how assets can be reused between them. A peace with Eric route would be mainly differences in Dialog for Max, but maybe he can get some on his own, or maybe have 1-2 sharing scenes.

What I think is harder to fix is some of the bad design decisions that happened as the game got more linear. Alice's sudden rise to dom status from sub came out of nowhere. The Ann sex ed quest had great renders but was nothing more than ANOTHER attempt to delay vag with Lisa. Olivia 2.0 was hot garbage and so on.

I do agree with you on how difficult it is to choose how to do updates on an open-world game. Polls are generally flawed because it keeps the focus on very spefiic characters, and fans of that character tend to be more likely to become patrons then, while fans of the ignored characters tend to fall off. This makes each subsequent poll skew in favor of whoever won the last poll. Look at MILFY for an example of that.

 

[maxbishup]

You totally ignored his question - you are asking for a game that already exists...to exist? Go play BB your safe harem game, its here on this website. Alongside approximately a million other very high quality popular harem games.

You forget that BB is incomplete and abandoned the object here is to complete that game in Ren'Py.

 

[DawnCry]

Well I think part of it will be how difficult it is to port the game and the initial features to Ren'py in the first place. This does have the advantage that the original BB is IMO nearly complete with what honestly would have been about 3-4 updates of realistic material left in the first place. How well you want to do it is the other question, and I mentioned some of the issues design wise that also likely contributed to the Eric cuts more than just a marked distaste in a portion of the fanbase for NTR. Now routes or changes have to be designed with the ability for them to merge in seamlessly with a later route. During the design process this could be difficult especially if the end game scenarios aren't done, but DS also made things much more difficult than they needed to be.

One example is the Lisa/Olivia route. That route simply ended because it was difficult to merge into the sex-ed route and vice versa according to DS. I found that a bit odd as all of the NON Sex ed scenes (original Sex ed, not the abomination that wasthe Ann sex ed route) could easily take place after they were unlocked with the Olivia route, just with slightly different dialog. Or coming from the other angle, instead of a completely different and boring new olivia story on the girlfriend route with Lisa you could have started bringing in the scenes with Olivia and Alex, and just ignored the part with Lisa and Alex, not a lot to be lost there.

The funny thing is because of the layout of the game, the proposed Eric additions are probably going to be the easiest things to add. Alice doesn't need to change her story at ll if Eric fucked her before Max. The only one that would have to change would be Lisa, her sex ed with Eric could run concurrent with an Olvia storyline, and Eric's sex ed could replace the MC's attempts on the girlfriend route. The hooks are there for Max to peep on the lessons, and the only reason DS didn't do it was to avoid another uprising. Whoever pops her cherry, well with a couple of dialog changes, are all that would be required. You could still reuse all of the Lisa/Max images later, maybe with 1-2 different ones, and just change the dialog. Hell if you wanted to go real lazy just add one or two lines that she pretends she is a virgin, when she isn't.

What all of this does take is planning, and that is something I think it was clear was more than a bit lacking in the original BB release. THe problems in that game were manifold, and I'm sure my rants in the original BB thread are still there, and worthwhile. The key is not making every route completely different, but figuring out how assets can be reused between them. A peace with Eric route would be mainly differences in Dialog for Max, but maybe he can get some on his own, or maybe have 1-2 sharing scenes.

What I think is harder to fix is some of the bad design decisions that happened as the game got more linear. Alice's sudden rise to dom status from sub came out of nowhere. The Ann sex ed quest had great renders but was nothing more than ANOTHER attempt to delay vag with Lisa. Olivia 2.0 was hot garbage and so on.

I do agree with you on how difficult it is to choose how to do updates on an open-world game. Polls are generally flawed because it keeps the focus on very spefiic characters, and fans of that character tend to be more likely to become patrons then, while fans of the ignored characters tend to fall off. This makes each subsequent poll skew in favor of whoever won the last poll. Look at MILFY for an example of that.

About having to merge things the ironic thing is that he could just have separated it and don't merge it, I mean, we don't need to see all the game content in one walkthrough, overall if you do the sex ed with Lisa she could just lose interest in Alex and leave it at that, no need to meet them, on the other hand if we interact with Olivia/Alex it doesn't make sense that Lisa still needs the sex ed.

In both of them Lisa would end up with enough sex knowledge, the only difference is the how and if it has an effect how she got it. Overall an important difference is if you met Olivia or not thanks to that option.

 

[Burt Reynolds Mustache]

About having to merge things the ironic thing is that he could just have separated it and don't merge it, I mean, we don't need to see all the game content in one walkthrough, overall if you do the sex ed with Lisa she could just lose interest in Alex and leave it at that, no need to meet them, on the other hand if we interact with Olivia/Alex it doesn't make sense that Lisa still needs the sex ed.

In both of them Lisa would end up with enough sex knowledge, the only difference is the how and if it has an effect how she got it. Overall an important difference is if you met Olivia or not thanks to that option.

Pretty much. That what I meant, after Lisa is sucking off the MC with Olivia then she should be open to doing it in the house, the "solo" scenes from the sex ed route would unlock, but not the Kira scenes. I'd much prefer that route honestly as the Lisa/Olivia route was one of the only ones where Max was an ACTIVE participant.

 

[rf96]

Because some of us do not want some dude in our home fucking our mom and sisters while we watch. Beating him to death
with a baseball bat however sounds like fun.

Nobody is fucking your mom and sisters, relax. It's just a game, you know.

 

[DawnCry]

Pretty much. That what I meant, after Lisa is sucking off the MC with Olivia then she should be open to doing it in the house, the "solo" scenes from the sex ed route would unlock, but not the Kira scenes. I'd much prefer that route honestly as the Lisa/Olivia route was one of the only ones where Max was an ACTIVE participant.

Yeah, the only difference in itself is that while on the Olivia route we would have to deal with Alex in some way, the thing is that the route seems like an "all in", you risk to lose Lisa to Alex just to try to seduce Olivia, I personally would find that interesting to tell you the truth.

Overall the sex ed route seems pretty safe and without risk except if it backfires while having Eric in the house. This game concept I loved it because it seems so risk/reward while having to fight off other characters to earn your harem, I was always a fan of earning it rather than just following a storyline.

 

[maxbishup]

In regard to what i've said couple posts above about there being a possibility of Eric taking over the family in this game, I've checked his patreon and every public posted is getting nuked with people going "another shit ntr game" geez.. hopefully it won't discourage him at what he has originally planned

I'm not sure that I can answer you but I'm a patreon and I ask in a PM if we will be able to get rid of Eric and the answer was
yes. BUT you may be able to keep him in the game I do not know.

 

[maxbishup]

Nobody is fucking your mom and sisters, relax. It's just a game, you know.

My mom has bin dead for 23 years and I have no sisters. So game or no your right.

 

[Dwarian]

Another idea for the game would be to be able to visit or spy on anne at work or at erics place plus your sisters at school and the club that would set this game apart from all the other BigBrother clones out there

 

[Dongness]

Is there any content in the game so far ?

 

[Rakssu]

Unfinished Big Brother: *exists*

Lazy-ass devs:

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[Pervie-Dan]

What I think is harder to fix is some of the bad design decisions that happened as the game got more linear. Alice's sudden rise to dom status from sub came out of nowhere.

While I agree that the dom status came way too sudden and had no hints beforehand, I hope it will be in the game nontheless because I liked the other Alice.
So hopefully Aleksey90 will put it in but also make it more plausible for Alice to be a switch. Which could be done just by a few renders and dialogue changes about how she has dom and sub thoughts but since her girlfriend is only dom, she mostly fills the sub part or somehting.

 

[keisezr]

How can I make money in this game I tried so many times please help

 

[elink]

How can I make money in this game I tried so many times please help

Ask Mom for money or work or setup the camera. But at the moment ist more or less senseless to earn money because you cant do somthing with it.

 

[Shirafune]

I'm not sure that I can answer you but I'm a patreon and I ask in a PM if we will be able to get rid of Eric and the answer was
yes. BUT you may be able to keep him in the game I do not know.

If possible please find out for us

 

[rf96]

How can I make money in this game I tried so many times please help

Edit your save with a save editor online.

 

[OnlyFunz]

I used the console as well. It seems like the developer is not going to offer an option to keep Eric out of the game. When it is possible to eliminate him from the game, can you post the variables that need to be set so he can be removed immediately?

I don't think there are any variable(s) to immediately remove Eric from the game. As with the current state of the game.

However, there is a defined variable:

characters["lisa"].releric

characters["ann"].releric

characters["alice"].releric

Currently its all set at "None", and not used in the game with the current update.

Relationship Chart:

(not set)

-3 level (War) -2 level (Hostile) -1 level (Rocky) 0 level (Acquainted) 1 level (Not bad) 2 level (Good) 3 level (Warm) 4 level (Friendly) 5 level (Very close)

Maybe! if we keep setting the variable to stay in "0" level or upto "-2" level, we can hope, NTR could/would be avoided.

We will have to wait for few more updates to see on how he is implemented and what changes or opportunities he can create for Max in the long run.
As per the Relationship level understanding, if he reaches level "5", then there is no stopping NTR.

 

[Burt Reynolds Mustache]

While I agree that the dom status came way too sudden and had no hints beforehand, I hope it will be in the game nontheless because I liked the other Alice.
So hopefully Aleksey90 will put it in but also make it more plausible for Alice to be a switch. Which could be done just by a few renders and dialogue changes about how she has dom and sub thoughts but since her girlfriend is only dom, she mostly fills the sub part or somehting.

Well the later routes of BB had loads of problems, the Alice one was bad because at NO point could the MC try to fight back. I mean to be honest the bigger issue was making Alice a sub in the first place if you look at the structure of the game. Ann is a sub, Lisa is a sub, Kira is a switch, maybe, and that means that if Alice is a sub that makes for a lack of variation within the house. Then again, BBs biggest issue was that in 90% of the opportunities in the game, any sexual activity was gated through a third party, and was not just because Max initiated it, or the girl wanted it. Ann's story moved away from this only at the end, but the entire game is max basically begging for sex from someone who isn't the person he wants to fuck.

Alice ->Get her through Kate
Ann -> Get her through Kira or Eric
Lisa -> Get her though, Kira, then Alice, then Ann.

this is why the Lisa/Olivia arc was such a nice change. Lisa was an active and willing participant in it, and things moved relatively (for this game) naturally.

In a perfect world this mod would let you decline Alice on the Dom route, and still keep going or do something else, but that would require a lot of work. A few lines early on about Alice just being a sub to try it out or something might fix the logical consistency, but it won't fix the gameplay issues.

 

[Derpino]

I don't think there are any variable(s) to immediately remove Eric from the game. As with the current state of the game.

However, there is a defined variable:

characters["lisa"].releric

characters["ann"].releric

characters["alice"].releric

Currently its all set at "None", and not used in the game with the current update.

Relationship Chart:

(not set)

-3 level (War) -2 level (Hostile) -1 level (Rocky) 0 level (Acquainted) 1 level (Not bad) 2 level (Good) 3 level (Warm) 4 level (Friendly) 5 level (Very close)

Maybe! if we keep setting the variable to stay in "0" level or upto "-2" level, we can hope, NTR could/would be avoided.

We will have to wait for few more updates to see on how he is implemented and what changes or opportunities he can create for Max in the long run.
As per the Relationship level understanding, if he reaches level "5", then there is no stopping NTR.

I think you can only avoid lisa and alice NTR. This variables will maybe be used in case of war with eric.