Unity Abandoned Big Brother [v0.13.0.007] [Dark Silver]

[bum1]

so will she eventually lose her job? or some new man in her life?

She will lose her job from 0.6 according to dev.

 

[Galin]

thank you i will use it and hope that @ikaruga or @Galin could check it an tell us if this work with out errors

...working on Dia.txt (70%), will look for this, when ready...

 

[summerjo]

She will lose her job from 0.6 according to dev.

so then the MC could be the family provider.

It would take a TON of work by DS, but could that lead them to losing the house?

 

[Skylaroo]

Needless to say I'm just disappointed that the complexity of the Eric story just died off without fanfare or sense of achievement, and Lisa went from merely sleeping topless to anal threesome in a blink of an eye. With mother, aunt and Alice, the routes have all progressed at a reasonable rate, but that might be a rush job next update too. It's certainly an express way to ruin a game.

Personally I would have preferred to add more to the whole, rather than overdo it with Lisa and wipe out Eric in one fell swoop. More Alice Blog, more store items, more to the girls individual stories, but focus mostly on an interesting 'destroying Eric' story, that leaves us feeling a sense of power and achievement.

1. The complexity of Eric and Lisa's progression felt rushed because a lot of people are complaining about the slow progress and the lack of sex scenes in the game, as well as hating Eric. So DS gave what the people asked by giving the option to get rid of Eric if they want to, and advancing Lisa's boyfriend route. When I think about it, Lisa's progress isn't that rushed. She went from sleeping topless -> learn HJ -> HJ during homework -> learning BJ -> BJ practice -> learning anal -> chickening out of anal -> being forced to do anal (remember Kira said she'd tie Lisa up if she ran away again this time). So there are multiple steps there. The feeling of rushed is because there is no obstacle in between the steps other than practice and wait til Kira randomly showed up in the room to teach next step. As for Eric, I tried all 3 routes, but I'm going to keep the one where I keep him as my main route, I want to see what's going to happen next update with him.

2. I agree with you about wanting all these "more of this and that" preference. But at the same time, it's unrealistic to expect those to be included in a single update/month. Lisa's path makes sense because it was somewhat lagging behind prior to this update compared to Alice/Ann/Kira. During this update alone, the game added multiple things:
+ Get rid of Eric, hacker route
+ Get rid of Eric, Kate's route -> Kate's mom could be for potential future story as she took a liking to Max
+ Lisa's boyfriend route -> still ongoing
+ Olivia/Alex route -> still ongoing
+ Progress with "Cunning Plan" -> still ongoing

Wait I've played this version but I've noticed that the mom always goes to work... eric was her employer no?

As far as I remember, Eric was just her manager's manager, right? Not necessarily the employer himself.

 

[3xpurt]

1. The complexity of Eric and Lisa's progression felt rushed because a lot of people are complaining about the slow progress and the lack of sex scenes in the game, as well as hating Eric. So DS gave what the people asked by giving the option to get rid of Eric if they want to, and advancing Lisa's boyfriend route. When I think about it, Lisa's progress isn't that rushed. She went from sleeping topless -> learn HJ -> HJ during homework -> learning BJ -> BJ practice -> learning anal -> chickening out of anal -> being forced to do anal (remember Kira said she'd tie Lisa up if she ran away again this time). So there are multiple steps there. The feeling of rushed is because there is no obstacle in between the steps other than practice and wait til Kira randomly showed up in the room to teach next step. As for Eric, I tried all 3 routes, but I'm going to keep the one where I keep him as my main route, I want to see what's going to happen next update with him.

2. I agree with you about wanting all these "more of this and that" preference. But at the same time, it's unrealistic to expect those to be included in a single update/month. Lisa's path makes sense because it was somewhat lagging behind prior to this update compared to Alice/Ann/Kira. During this update alone, the game added multiple things:
+ Get rid of Eric, hacker route
+ Get rid of Eric, Kate's route -> Kate's mom could be for potential future story as she took a liking to Max
+ Lisa's boyfriend route -> still ongoing
+ Olivia/Alex route -> still ongoing
+ Progress with "Cunning Plan" -> still ongoing



As far as I remember, Eric was just her manager's manager, right? Not necessarily the employer himself.

It bothers me about the people disliking Eric and wanting him removed, because without that antagonist, it becomes another average incest game. Also quickening the progress makes things boring, because once you achieve the goal, you have nothing to look forward to. I felt Lisa was quick, because it was quick to escalate suddenly; the pace of the game suddenly changed. It should have gone more like the Mom route, where she gives you a HJ in 3 different locations, and hasn't yet progressed towards BJ. Even the Alice route felt rushed, where Eric's gone, quickly have sex.

The problem with listening to players when it comes to actual game play direction, is that horny people don't think straight, and aren't thinking about the progression of story, and simply want T and A, and often people don't even know what they want. Asking them what type of content they want is where the feedback should stop, otherwise you potentially alienate the people that weren't complaining because they liked how it was. You risk losing the whole reason it was popular in the first place. The game was massively popular, even with having Eric in there, because it had that conflict. People hate conflict and having their girls stolen, but that is part of what drives you to try harder. It just needed more ways to fight back.

 

[Hryme]

This update was not really my favorite. It seemed like the writing got less interesting. Not that I am complaining as I am not paying for this at all.

I do wish that he could update the regular scenes though. It seems super wierd that Lisa hates me entering the room when she is going to school when she has agreed to be my girlfriend. Ah well.

 

[ide]

...working on Dia.txt (70%), will look for this, when ready...

Ok, thx.

With that "fix" I was able to let game progress to 05.les2.1@112@m-k-2@ and then game continue this route normally up to 05.les7 + i was also able normally finish all 05.anles.1-16 events.

So i think that my game was mess with using liza.spanked option via mod.txt :angel: and when i remove this condition from "poss.sg=4&count.liza.spanked>2&liza.wearbath=1&liza.hw.help.task^" i was able to continue normally.. Anyway i wont dig so deep in dia.txt (all credits goes to @ikaruga for publishing it via 0002.txt) to be sure that it wont have some consequences..

 

[Thjis]

It bothers me about the people disliking Eric and wanting him removed, because without that antagonist, it becomes another average incest game. Also quickening the progress makes things boring, because once you achieve the goal, you have nothing to look forward to. I felt Lisa was quick, because it was quick to escalate suddenly; the pace of the game suddenly changed. It should have gone more like the Mom route, where she gives you a HJ in 3 different locations, and hasn't yet progressed towards BJ. Even the Alice route felt rushed, where Eric's gone, quickly have sex.

The problem with listening to players when it comes to actual game play direction, is that horny people don't think straight, and aren't thinking about the progression of story, and simply want T and A, and often people don't even know what they want. Asking them what type of content they want is where the feedback should stop, otherwise you potentially alienate the people that weren't complaining because they liked how it was. You risk losing the whole reason it was popular in the first place. The game was massively popular, even with having Eric in there, because it had that conflict. People hate conflict and having their girls stolen, but that is part of what drives you to try harder. It just needed more ways to fight back.

I think it is more accurate to say that the majority of the players wanted the option of playing without Eric or they felt that the rewards for dealing with Eric were poor. I am in the second category. I agree that you need Eric, but for most people it is a sex game. Is it unfair for the "horny people" to expect sex after dropping $40 a month sometimes for months? I know this game has cost me a lot more than anything short of an MMO, over the last few months. Without us "Horny people" the game would never of survived to this point.

 

[Voilsh]

It bothers me about the people disliking Eric and wanting him removed, because without that antagonist, it becomes another average incest game. Also quickening the progress makes things boring, because once you achieve the goal, you have nothing to look forward to. I felt Lisa was quick, because it was quick to escalate suddenly; the pace of the game suddenly changed. It should have gone more like the Mom route, where she gives you a HJ in 3 different locations, and hasn't yet progressed towards BJ. Even the Alice route felt rushed, where Eric's gone, quickly have sex.

The problem with listening to players when it comes to actual game play direction, is that horny people don't think straight, and aren't thinking about the progression of story, and simply want T and A, and often people don't even know what they want. Asking them what type of content they want is where the feedback should stop, otherwise you potentially alienate the people that weren't complaining because they liked how it was. You risk losing the whole reason it was popular in the first place. The game was massively popular, even with having Eric in there, because it had that conflict. People hate conflict and having their girls stolen, but that is part of what drives you to try harder. It just needed more ways to fight back.

Man, you are so right in that, especially the necessary slow progression to sex instead of the instant sex gratification many people are asking for. Doing that will kill any interest in the game for me, it will be like a cheap sex movie where they have sex in the first 3 minutes or so.
Erotica is always about the build up and playing with what's hidden

 

[3xpurt]

This update was not really my favorite. It seemed like the writing got less interesting. Not that I am complaining as I am not paying for this at all.

I do wish that he could update the regular scenes though. It seems super wierd that Lisa hates me entering the room when she is going to school when she has agreed to be my girlfriend. Ah well.

This is something I have brought up once before. These scenes definitely need an update, and that is part of quality over quantity. Also it works that way with Mom; once you have seen her naked, she lets you stay in her room, but there are no options like that with Lisa or Alice, so it's not consistent.

I think it is more accurate to say that the majority of the players wanted the option of playing without Eric or they felt that the rewards for dealing with Eric were poor. I am in the second category. I agree that you need Eric, but for most people it is a sex game. Is it unfair for the "horny people" to expect sex after dropping $40 a month sometimes for months? I know this game has cost me a lot more than anything short of an MMO, over the last few months. Without us "Horny people" the game would never of survived to this point.

The option to play without Eric would make it another game. This is part of what I touched on in my previous comment. I understand why people believe they want Eric gone, but Eric is part of the reason it was so popular, because it brought out strong emotions. So why pay for a game you like, only to want something different. It's like finding a nice girl IRL, and you noticed her because of the way she dressed, but as soon as you start dating, you make her dress differently, and then suddenly you find you aren't as interested any longer.

We're all horny people, which is why we play these games. However, it doesn't mean we all know what's good for a game, and it's clear some people just want that instant gratification, and will likely end up bored once they get it. To remove the main antagonist, you need to replace it with another mechanic to make the game as complex as it once was, but I doubt that will happen at this point. As for expecting sex for $40; well they don't need to spend 40, but also for that I would expect a good game, and a good game takes time.

 

[megacct]

Please add android version
Sorry for my bad english

Big Brother is a Windows game... there is no Android version.

Unrelated, similar to other recent comments, I too am somewhat content with the slower progression.. if all somebody wants is the money shot, there's plenty of that to be found all over the internet. Here I thought I'd played all the newer content, but sounds like I need to get back to training with Lisa.. anal? What? Sign me up!

 

[nyalest]

This is something I have brought up once before. These scenes definitely need an update, and that is part of quality over quantity. Also it works that way with Mom; once you have seen her naked, she lets you stay in her room, but there are no options like that with Lisa or Alice, so it's not consistent.


The option to play without Eric would make it another game. This is part of what I touched on in my previous comment. I understand why people believe they want Eric gone, but Eric is part of the reason it was so popular, because it brought out strong emotions. So why pay for a game you like, only to want something different. It's like finding a nice girl IRL, and you noticed her because of the way she dressed, but as soon as you start dating, you make her dress differently, and then suddenly you find you aren't as interested any longer.

We're all horny people, which is why we play these games. However, it doesn't mean we all know what's good for a game, and it's clear some people just want that instant gratification, and will likely end up bored once they get it. To remove the main antagonist, you need to replace it with another mechanic to make the game as complex as it once was, but I doubt that will happen at this point. As for expecting sex for $40; well they don't need to spend 40, but also for that I would expect a good game, and a good game takes time.

Well that's the thing the author was focusing on having Eric in the game which means most of the content is focus in having him, once is removed of course you gonna notice less stuff in the game, if since the begging he had focus in the game whit out Eric the story would be different, which is what is see wrong, the author just did't want to come clean on having the story set up for Eric if he had done that he had to say the game is focused in other Genre and not so much in incest or just have say there will be hard content in NTR/cuck/sharing girls/Incest that would sell less for him. Now that he removed him the problem is gonna be you gonna have 2 paths in the game that need same amount of content to not make the game boring that gonna cause longer development. The other path he could have taken is introduce Eric but give the players means to block him, make his life miserable in the house whit out having any pussy for him and making players figure out ways to do it, making the war fair and fun for the players.

 

[jakhmonument]

Glad that dev decided to stop blueballing us.

What I don't like is that one of the 3 Lisa paths seems to have no new content? Friends with Olivia and Fight for him ->Secret girlfriend got a ton, but the updates in the Mentor opportunity didn't trigger on the Give up on Alex and do yoga to be girlfriend.

I'm happy that there are extensions of some storylines. Would really like to see the current content expanded with updates as well, like the peeking and scheduled, non special event interactions.

 

[Skylaroo]

It bothers me about the people disliking Eric and wanting him removed, because without that antagonist, it becomes another average incest game. Also quickening the progress makes things boring, because once you achieve the goal, you have nothing to look forward to. I felt Lisa was quick, because it was quick to escalate suddenly; the pace of the game suddenly changed. It should have gone more like the Mom route, where she gives you a HJ in 3 different locations, and hasn't yet progressed towards BJ.

The problem with listening to players when it comes to actual game play direction, is that horny people don't think straight, and aren't thinking about the progression of story, and simply want T and A, and often people don't even know what they want.

The problem with your idea of advancing slower for Lisa is that it would drag the game development time to be much longer. Imagine if HJ, BJ, anal is separate individual version. That's a whooping $120 for those who paid $40/month, and there's no real sex yet! As much as I agree with you that it would be better to spread things around and slowly progress the advancement, it is simply not realistic to go at that pace with that kind of price. The more the things are held back, the more likely people will stop supporting the game. Remember that the goal is not really to make the best game. The goal is to make money and make the game for those who paid the developer. To me, 0.5 is a reasonable compromise. Lisa's advancement is fast, but remember that it's only on Lisa's boyfriend route, and there's still more room for progression (actual sex and more) for future versions.

I agree that it isn't ideal to ask players about game direction, but you have to remember that it's essentially the purpose of patreon where patrons have some sort of involvement in the service provided. The main problem for me is that even the patrons themselves would have different preferences about what they like/dislike which makes it really difficult/impossible to find the balance to keep everyone happy. So far, I'm okay with the compromise that DS had to make.

The one thing I didn't like about 0.5 is the topless pool part. It felt like it was completely out of nowhere and just fanservice. It would've been so much better if they added a couple dialogues instead of Kira auto-convincing everyone. My idea would've been Kira talking about it openly during dinner with the family, then mom and Lisa definitely against the idea while Alice somewhat okay and willing to try. So Alice started topless first. Then maybe Lisa could be dared to do it once in a while until she got used to it. Then eventually mom joined in after seeing everyone else topless and okay. It would've been great if there's also new poses and not reusing old ones with the top removed.

I do wish that he could update the regular scenes though. It seems super wierd that Lisa hates me entering the room when she is going to school when she has agreed to be my girlfriend. Ah well.

Definitely 100% agree. Regular scenes could be updated with a check on character relationship with Max.

I think it is more accurate to say that the majority of the players wanted the option of playing without Eric or they felt that the rewards for dealing with Eric were poor. I am in the second category. I agree that you need Eric, but for most people it is a sex game. Is it unfair for the "horny people" to expect sex after dropping $40 a month sometimes for months? I know this game has cost me a lot more than anything short of an MMO, over the last few months. Without us "Horny people" the game would never of survived to this point.

I'm looking forward to what happened next if we keep Eric. I most definitely appreciate you "horny people" for your contribution.

 

[Vayleton]

After completing 0.5 update, I am satisfied with the content that we got. Even though the pacing felt abit off on Lisa.

I am one of those boring guys that wanted to get rid of Eric. And finally I did, it wasn't as satisfying I had hoped it to be. But that boils down to me not seeing his fate. And how short his departure was glossed over by Max and Ann. But it felt good getting him out. I personally never felt Eric had to be in this game. But I will say that in the beginning it was somewhat interesting, but seeing how the "eternal struggle" with Eric unfolded it got old fast IMO.

I for one are looking forward to Eric free content. There are still a lot to do, and I am excited for updates without him in my game. Let people who dont want him have their route, and people who do, theirs. Who knows what the dev hav i store for us in the future.

And yeah, he needs to touch up several old scenes to make it more coherent.

 

[3xpurt]

Well that's the thing the author was focusing on having Eric in the game which means most of the content is focus in having him, once is removed of course you gonna notice less stuff in the game, if since the begging he had focus in the game whit out Eric the story would be different, which is what is see wrong, the author just did't want to come clean on having the story set up for Eric if he had done that he had to say the game is focused in other Genre and not so much in incest or just have say there will be hard content in NTR/cuck/sharing girls/Incest that would sell less for him. Now that he removed him the problem is gonna be you gonna have 2 paths in the game that need same amount of content to not make the game boring that gonna cause longer development. The other path he could have taken is introduce Eric but give the players means to block him, make his life miserable in the house whit out having any pussy for him and making players figure out ways to do it, making the war fair and fun for the players.

See last play-through, I went the path of trying to control Eric, and make him my pawn, instead of the other way around, but that has now suddenly lead to the removal of him, and there isn't enough content yet to suggest that there will be another route beyond suffering him, or sending him off. Other than Mom, he had already lost the other girls to the MC, and with the massage path, it started to feel like I was gaining progress on the Mom also. I have nothing against removing Eric from the picture, as that would have been my end goal also, It was just too easy to remove him the way it was done, and there appears to be no consequences, because suddenly in the same time, the MC gets all the sex.

The problem with your idea of advancing slower for Lisa is that it would drag the game development time to be much longer. Imagine if HJ, BJ, anal is separate individual version. That's a whooping $120 for those who paid $40/month, and there's no real sex yet! As much as I agree with you that it would be better to spread things around and slowly progress the advancement, it is simply not realistic to go at that pace with that kind of price. The more the things are held back, the more likely people will stop supporting the game. Remember that the goal is not really to make the best game. The goal is to make money and make the game for those who paid the developer. To me, 0.5 is a reasonable compromise. Lisa's advancement is fast, but remember that it's only on Lisa's boyfriend route, and there's still more room for progression (actual sex and more) for future versions.

I agree that it isn't ideal to ask players about game direction, but you have to remember that it's essentially the purpose of patreon where patrons have some sort of involvement in the service provided. The main problem for me is that even the patrons themselves would have different preferences about what they like/dislike which makes it really difficult/impossible to find the balance to keep everyone happy. So far, I'm okay with the compromise that DS had to make.

The one thing I didn't like about 0.5 is the topless pool part. It felt like it was completely out of nowhere and just fanservice. It would've been so much better if they added a couple dialogues instead of Kira auto-convincing everyone. My idea would've been Kira talking about it openly during dinner with the family, then mom and Lisa definitely against the idea while Alice somewhat okay and willing to try. So Alice started topless first. Then maybe Lisa could be dared to do it once in a while until she got used to it. Then eventually mom joined in after seeing everyone else topless and okay. It would've been great if there's also new poses and not reusing old ones with the top removed.


Definitely 100% agree. Regular scenes could be updated with a check on character relationship with Max.


I'm looking forward to what happened next if we keep Eric. I most definitely appreciate you "horny people" for your contribution.


You talk to Kira about Victor.

I was expecting a small quest to get the girls Topless one by one, and that's another good example of taking shortcuts compared to previous game content. This is what I mean by the progress towards anal with Lisa; Not saying it should have been kept back for another few versions, but the progress towards it just went into overdrive. With Mom, you need to learn massage, receive punishment, peep on her in the shower, etc, and there is a bit of grinding and convincing involved. The same with Alice; you have to setup the right order of events to get the Friday night BJ, living room FJ, spanking or topless massage by the pool, then suddenly it's sex, for a reason that doesn't really make sense. With Lisa, I would have expected to start off progressing some of the other scenes, like bath, sunbathing, homework, etc; foreplay to get her in the mood, and some quests involved to get there, but it just went straight to butt plugs with the aunt.

Hopefully the next update brings something interesting with the Eric route.

 

[3xpurt]

After completing 0.5 update, I am satisfied with the content that we got. Even though the pacing felt abit off on Lisa.

I am one of those boring guys that wanted to get rid of Eric. And finally I did, it wasn't as satisfying I had hoped it to be. But that boils down to me not seeing his fate. And how short his departure was glossed over by Max and Ann. But it felt good getting him out. I personally never felt Eric had to be in this game. But I will say that in the beginning it was somewhat interesting, but seeing how the "eternal struggle" with Eric unfolded it got old fast IMO.

I for one are looking forward to Eric free content. There are still a lot to do, and I am excited for updates without him in my game. Let people who dont want him have their route, and people who do, theirs. Who knows what the dev hav i store for us in the future.

And yeah, he needs to touch up several old scenes to make it more coherent.

The Eric grinding got old fast, in that I agree. We just needed more ways to neutralise him, while keeping him around in the background. The pills were a good start at toying with him, but if the player is careful from the start, he should never have actually got to have contact with anyone but Mom, and that should have been short-lived.

Considering he had a fake ID, I would liked to have used that against him further, and done some investigation, manipulated his work life with hacking skills, or got the sisters to help get revenge. Maybe kept him around as a stalker that kept showing up trying to sabotage things until he finally gets arrested. What I'm saying is there are so many possibilities story wise, but eventually it just became an off switch.

 

[nyalest]

See last play-through, I went the path of trying to control Eric, and make him my pawn, instead of the other way around, but that has now suddenly lead to the removal of him, and there isn't enough content yet to suggest that there will be another route beyond suffering him, or sending him off. Other than Mom, he had already lost the other girls to the MC, and with the massage path, it started to feel like I was gaining progress on the Mom also. I have nothing against removing Eric from the picture, as that would have been my end goal also, It was just too easy to remove him the way it was done, and there appears to be no consequences, because suddenly in the same time, the MC gets all the sex.


I was expecting a small quest to get the girls Topless one by one, and that's another good example of taking shortcuts compared to previous game content. This is what I mean by the progress towards anal with Lisa; Not saying it should have been kept back for another few versions, but the progress towards it just went into overdrive. With Mom, you need to learn massage, receive punishment, peep on her in the shower, etc, and there is a bit of grinding and convincing involved. The same with Alice; you have to setup the right order of events to get the Friday night BJ, living room FJ, spanking or topless massage by the pool, then suddenly it's sex, for a reason that doesn't really make sense. With Lisa, I would have expected to start off progressing some of the other scenes, like bath, sunbathing, homework, etc; foreplay to get her in the mood, and some quests involved to get there, but it just went straight to butt plugs with the aunt.

Hopefully the next update brings something interesting with the Eric route.

Haha, Yah i mean the problem is we don't know anything because author did't make it clear, i mean he could have keep Eric (letting us block him in all ways) and make it that by the end of the game we mind fuck him so hard now he's just our puppet/cuck that enjoys watching us fuck all the girls in the house and you only let him stay just to keep up the front of being a normal family while you enjoy all the pussy. lol. So many options for sure, imagination the only limit huh

 

[Skylaroo]

but if the player is careful from the start, he should never have actually got to have contact with anyone but Mom, and that should have been short-lived.

This doesn't make sense. The basic premise of the story is how everyone is on Eric's side because he's a successful rich man, and everyone thinks nothing of you because you're a loser who stay at home after being kicked out of school.

Considering he had a fake ID, I would liked to have used that against him further, and done some investigation, manipulated his work life with hacking skills, or got the sisters to help get revenge. Maybe kept him around as a stalker that kept showing up trying to sabotage things until he finally gets arrested. What I'm saying is there are so many possibilities story wise, but eventually it just became an off switch.

Manipulated his work life with hacking skills? What hacking skills? Max doesn't even finish school. I think you're running too far away with your imagination for this part. I do wish we get to convert everyone one by one to be against him. It seems only Kira was the one on your side while Ann/Alice/Lisa are all on his side. It would've been satisfying to get them turn against him.

A good way to use Eric IMO is to set a planned event on certain days where you have to be able to counter to prevent his increase influence. The "buy dress/bikini before Day 10" is a good start, but then there's really nothing afterwards. Would've been great if there are more goals to complete (e.g.: bi-weekly lingerie shopping for Alice to use for her blog, monthly clubbing dress for Alice, helping Lisa for exam (harder than homework), more photoshoots with Kira, etc). Then after completing one person's path (let's say starting from Lisa then Alice then Ann), that person will turn to be on your side. Once everyone is against Eric, then the whole family get to kick him out.

 

[Carlo S]

I try to play this game again, hoping I can drive Eric out before he gets into the house, and I failed, I'm out, when those who do not like Eric find a way to kick him so hard to the other side of the Dark Side of the Moon, tell me and then I can play. I play only 20 minutes. Just wasted my time.