Unity Abandoned Big Brother [v0.13.0.007] [Dark Silver]

[Meso]

For folks saying he's changed the model, I'm convinced it's the exact same model, it's just the new lighting that's making it look different. It's fairly easy to make someone go from looking lean to shapeless by removing shadows, just go look at all those gym-bro before and after how-to videos if you don't believe me. Whether or not that was the right move is another discussion. Personally I think it makes the character look more real but unfortunately also makes it look less like a night time scene.

Does anyone know what software (or combination) dark silver is using for rendering his images?

Daz 3D is what you're looking for. Probably Photoshop for color correction and the like. You may find this thread interesting.

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[Asphyx]

@Asphyx Valid points, depends a lot on the creator and why exactly they're making the game in the first place. Is it because they have a story to tell, or is it just a job/way to make a living.

What you originally said isn't completely wrong either... Yes it is Taboo and most people can't fathom any realistic way of Incest actually happening without leverage being involved. Especially if the Author doesn't have any incestuous feelings of their own to draw from. IRL lot of the reported cases of Incest are the abusive kind. Usually Male abusing Female.
The consensual "Loving" cases are rarely ever spoken of as they are kept secret by the participants due to the persecution you mentioned. Those take a long time to gestate and eventually consummate because of the stigma and that really doesn't convey well into a gameplay mechanism.

The Twist is probably the one game that has done it best...Dreaming of Dana has also tried to do this but there is still some corruption involved in the dates that causes the relationship to happen. It's just that the MC doesn't do the corrupting others do it for him.

 

[tjormas]

Maybe it's just me...but the Before looks better than the After.

I agree...facial expression is better, but the body and clothes look kinda "flat".

EDIT: Hair is better too, but again...the old render has more details: shadows of the pants, wrinkles on knees and arms...

 

[Corambis]

No I think it is mostly because it fits much better and is easier story to tell than the slow burn tease, hint and seduce angle in a game format. Corruption/Blackmail/Mind Control are all easy to implement in the gameplay. They are simply made into Puzzles to solve.
Have the MC find something like an object or piece of info, that he then uses to get what he wants.
It's far easier to implement. Without that the game would have to rely totally on conversation, seduction and persuasion. Which really means via Dialogue (it's a text adventure with pictures) as opposed to the Puzzle Quest of finding an item such as embarrassing picture or fact to get what you want.

Add to that the fact it is far quicker to blackmail or mind control your way to sex in the script than it is to seduce and talk your way into it. The initial release almost always has to feature at least some sex in it to entice support, so it's mostly a vehicle for getting to the sex quickly.

I agree somewhat on this. But the puzzle aspect could just as easily apply to the seduction angle as well. He tutors Lisa, actually making her learn instead of just doing her homework for her (and perhaps intentionally messing it up). Each good grade on a test or quiz earns Max a hug, turning into a peck on the cheek, then a quick kiss on the lips. But Max also has to find Lisa's diary to find what her turn-ons and fantasies are. The clothes she likes, or that she likes roses, or things like that.

He has to find the right movies to watch with Ann to further inflame her lust, while at the same time he wins her over by providing for the family through the money he provides. She unconsciously starts treating him as the man of the house, even making special dinners for him while his sisters are out that eventually turn into candlelit dinners and de-facto dates. Perhaps Max has to find just the right wine to buy to lower Ann's inhibitions. Then maybe dancing gets added to the routine, until Max kisses her one night. Ann knows it is wrong, but she also realizes that she loves Max in a way she couldn't, but that she can't ignore.

The book opportunity for Alice could have been continued, with every book Max provided keeping her home on club night to read it. Maybe she goes to watch tv after reading the book, and if you then offer a sensual massage and chocolates, and say all the right things with the right relationship level, she just goes with the moment and has sex with you. We're literally a scene away from it as it is, which would give us the first more-or-less honest incestual sex of the game.

 

[markmaso]

Dang it these next 3 weeks are going to be torture.:heartcoveredeyes:

since you have so much time and love to grind invest yourself in stories and discover all sorts of stuff play more games.not only porn games.from what i understand from your 1000 super in depth posts a massive open world rpg like the witcher 3 or fallout 4 could blow your routine to a whole new level.seriously

 

[a1fox3]

since you have so much time and love to grind invest yourself in stories and discover all sorts of stuff play more games.not only porn games.from what i understand from your 1000 super in depth posts a massive open world rpg like the witcher 3 or fallout 4 could blow your routine to a whole new level.seriously

I have all Fallout games, I have all Sims games from 1-4 modded for adult play.
I have all Command & Conquer from the beginning through 4 and ever thing else in between.
I have all of the Company of Heroes games.
All of the Diablo series.
Icewind Dale with all expansions and 2.
Battlefield 1942 and others.
Home World both new and old with all games in the series.

Plus 50 other titles between The Temple of Elemental Evil through Warcraft 3.

Singles "Flirt up your Life" and "Triple Trouble" plus many more adult titles.

I have plenty to play but none of them hold my interest like Big Brother does.

I have already started a new playthrough with this time the goal is to get rid of Eric asap to see how long the game makes me keep him there.

 

[markmaso]

I have all Fallout games, I have all Sims games from 1-4 modded for adult play.
I have all Command & Conquer from the beginning through 4 and ever thing else in between.
I have all of the Company of Heroes games.
All of the Diablo series.
Icewind Dale with all expansions and 2.
Battlefield 1942 and others.
Home World both new and old with all games in the series.

Plus 50 other titles between The Temple of Elemental Evil through Warcraft 3.

Singles "Flirt up your Life" and "Triple Trouble" plus many more adult titles.

I have plenty to play but none of them hold my interest like Big Brother does.

I have already started and new playthrough with this time the goal is to get rid of Eric asap to see how long the game makes me keep him there.

didnt you complete that eric experiment?how lmany in game days does it take to get rid of him without mod?

 

[a1fox3]

didnt you complete that eric experiment?how lmany in game days does it take to get rid of him without mod?

I got side track in that game and it went over 70 days, I think it can be done in just under 50 days and that is what I am shooting for.

 

[micmitja]

I got side track in that game and it went over 70 days, I think it can be done in just under 50 days and that is what I am shooting for.

Make sure you update your guide then, under 50 will be most popular

And yes i know the feeling bout games last big game i bought was Prey round 3 weeks ago and its sitting in steam library 3 weeks now haven't even touch it and couldn't wait to get it + got tons of others too that still haven't touch. Now the cheap ones from sales don't care they can wait, but those that have waste 30+ just so that they can sit somewhere did use to finish them before price drops to cheap

 

[Asphyx]

I agree somewhat on this. But the puzzle aspect could just as easily apply to the seduction angle as well.

Yes but that isn't so much of a puzzle as it is relationship building. (which is what "The Twist" does!)
It still makes the MC a passive actor in that he is just being nice and as a result gets more intimate in time. There needs to be some icebreaker moment for each character.
The problem is creating the curiosity about having sex and the ice breaker moment where they decide to have sex with each other. The part where you build up the relationship would seem a bit grindy for most as they expect to have sex as soon as Version .000001. Olivia could have been the icebreaker that made Lisa curious about sex after watching Max and Olivia (and I still hope DS goes that route for those on Olivia's path)

He has to find the right movies to watch with Ann to further inflame her lust

The Movies could be used to spark conversations that the MC could ask about to show Ann he is curious about sex. In fact I was hoping that was the plan with the first Movie clip they watch but then he made Kira the Sexual Mentor to Max. It would have been more a natural and less slimy/peepy/Trickery relationship with Mom if she had been Max's mentor. Again Olivia could be a plot mover here, She breaks up with him because he is bad at sex and Mom gives him lessons.

The book opportunity for Alice could have been continued, with every book Max provided keeping her home on club night to read it.

Or it could have been the key info Max needed to know what turns Alice on and to try and tease/entice her using that inside info.

There are other scenarios DS could have used other than the ones he chose, but from what he has said he doesn't find any incest to be romantic which says he isn't really into the genre and it was just a marketing facilitator.
He is obviously a great coder...perhaps not as imaginative in story as we would like. That isn't a knock though no one is expected to be great at everything in game creation.

 

[blizman]

Does anyone know what software (or combination) dark silver is using for rendering his images?

Standard DAZ Studio which is free as was pointed out is what was most likely used. The models, props, etc. can get expensive. (If you want some tips on buying and on how to keep costs down I can post them.) Poser is another program that can handle most DAZ3D models. that is also commonly used.

DAZ3D originally started as a company that just made models for Poser and DAZ Studio got made as an alternative to Poser when it was believed years back that the company who owned and made Poser was going to fail. (The company was called Zygote and DAZ3D broke off from them to just focus on making Poser compatible content originally. Zygote is still around and they make 3D models used in the construction of medical instruments, medical text, and models for the medical fieald.)

The rendering systems are different between those 2 programs and you can do rendering with different render engines with certain plug-ins and also use other software to work with the figures.

One big thing with the renders in just about every 3D game is that the developers never learned basic lighting and that you often need to adjust material settings for a good looking render. DAZ Studio also had some problems a few years back as the rendering engine that it uses got a major change and a lot of texture and render settings would no longer render correctly for a lot of older content. You can do a good render without any Photoshop or similar graphics program touch up.

The majority of professional renders do get touched up in an editor.

One big tip I'll give to wrap this up is to get this book :

Figures, Characters and Avatars: The Official Guide to Using DAZ Studio to Create Beautiful Art, 1st Edition, by Les Pardew

The 1st edition of the physical book comes with a disk that has a lot of older expensive content. The full V4 & M4 Pro Bundles are on it and so is an older version of Carrara Pro, etc . DAZ's tech support will add those items to your DAZ Account if you contact them and send a email scan of your receipt. The serial key for Carrara and the Hexagon copy can be gotten by contact DAZ's support or going to the publishers website and looking for the supplemental downloads for the book.

The latter 2nd edition doesn't have the disk of goodies.

 

[a1fox3]

isn't Max supposed to go to school to?How old is he anyway?
And for the pic'--again with the spider??

I see no one answered this so I will.

It is stated that all NPC's are 18 years or older so I take it that Lisa is 18 with Max 19 and Alice somewhere between 20 and 22. Max got expelled in his last school and in this game once expelled then its no more school.
The pic hinting at the spider is a new action that Max gets to sleep in Alice's bed some nights because of spiders.

 

[PepsiMan]

is any patron here that can tell me if @DarkSilver replied to me again in the post

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[Mirewen]

question...
Isn't it possible to make the scenes animated? It would give the player a lot more satisfaction if the goals would be in animation format I suggest...
or am I asking for something wrong?

 

[a1fox3]

question...
Isn't it possible to make the scenes animated? It would give the player a lot more satisfaction if the goals would be in animation format I suggest...
or am I asking for something wrong?

That or putting in more pic's in order of this. 1st pic just started, 2nd pic 1/4 way in, 3rd pic 1/2 way in and 4 pic all the way in. For both BJ and sex. HJ could use something like this to.

 

[Mirewen]

That or putting in more pic's in order of this. 1st pic just started, 2nd pic 1/4 way in, 3rd pic 1/2 way in and 4 pic all the way in. For both BJ and sex. HJ could use something this to.

that's exactly what I mean. a few more pics and the suggestion of animation could be achieved. Hope dev reads this.

 

[Corambis]

that's exactly what I mean. a few more pics and the suggestion of animation could be achieved. Hope dev reads this.

I wouldn't mind more pics, although I don't really need to see multiple pictures of going in. I've seen that in other games, and it becomes almost like watching a slideshow, and about as exciting. Maybe right before going in, entering just a little, then fully in? The rest of the pics could be more focused on the two people. I have a thing about wanting to see their face as they're having sex, or just seeing how they react. I wouldn't be spending all of my time looking at their pussy.

Animation in these types of games always seems a little off to me, because it's always on a loop, and the more you watch it, the more artificial it seems. I guess I'd rather have the motion described to me rather than see it clumsily demonstrated on the screen. Hopefully we'll see more natural animation in the future though.

 

[micmitja]

I wouldn't mind more pics, although I don't really need to see multiple pictures of going in. I've seen that in other games, and it becomes almost like watching a slideshow, and about as exciting. Maybe right before going in, entering just a little, then fully in? The rest of the pics could be more focused on the two people. I have a thing about wanting to see their face as they're having sex, or just seeing how they react. I wouldn't be spending all of my time looking at their pussy.

Animation in these types of games always seems a little off to me, because it's always on a loop, and the more you watch it, the more artificial it seems. I guess I'd rather have the motion described to me rather than see it clumsily demonstrated on the screen. Hopefully we'll see more natural animation in the future though.

Well i wouldn't mind if sex scenes would be animated rest can stay the same . [Beggar of Net] My New Life is great example of that got others too and he even included sounds in to game.

I doubt that will happen, but on other hand he got new 3d guy employed so we will just have to see what he/she will do.

 

[Deleted member 62788]

I wouldn't mind more pics, although I don't really need to see multiple pictures of going in. I've seen that in other games, and it becomes almost like watching a slideshow, and about as exciting. Maybe right before going in, entering just a little, then fully in? The rest of the pics could be more focused on the two people. I have a thing about wanting to see their face as they're having sex, or just seeing how they react. I wouldn't be spending all of my time looking at their pussy.

I'll second you on that. Seeing the full body in a saucy position is what does it for me, not just looking at tits or cooch.

 

[Asphyx]

question...
Isn't it possible to make the scenes animated? It would give the player a lot more satisfaction if the goals would be in animation format I suggest...
or am I asking for something wrong?

Animations would be much better but also means a lot more work on the rendering.