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Omnom88

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Unless i never seen the secret secret rar. You already have it with the artworks. The secret rar you try to open should be a zipped archive version of it. Not sure why you cant extract it. But its the same content as all the artworks you see here.
The images you see here are already in a folder you need the pw for. However idk why you didnt need the pw to access the bonus art folder in the first place.
 

Noah Neim

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This goes down a slight rabbit hole to BS1 + BS2 lore snippets. But seemingly Mabel was already a collaborator with TCO since the Tea Party Adventures. As in not only was Uther Pendragon(Old King) involved but also its kin Arthur Pendragon. Uther/OldKing being refered to as a old enemy of Grimm & Jack o Box telling us some pre BS1 lore about how the Tea Party crew alongside Grimm fought against the Red Queen/Arthur Pendragon. Mabel mentioned she wanted to get revenge on Grimm initially during BS2 because he destroyed her nurtured champions. So whatever sort of backend deal these 2 had Yog was already part of it or intentionally lend her champions as actors to spy on TCO. Considering her whole motive is to prevent the all out war & if TCO had any plans to utulize Wonderland for the war then it would make sense.
And it woulndt have been easy to kill off Yog like the other 2 who helped TCO out to create Wonderland stage.

Regarding GG i think Mary Sues power really is just that special. The rewind/reset mechanic seemingly something other Outer Ones cant use to the extent Mary can. Because as we seen even if we manage to "defeat" the Alice flesh blob in G & kinda already get a happy ending. GG still acts on its own & rewinds the clock. We seen this set up BS1. C end we "kill" Mary Sue however the rewind still happens and Mary Sue in the follow up NG even mocks you for it. However that point isnt that strong considering she could have faked her defeat. What makes GG special is its function & TCO probably needed it as it was running out of actors to the point we use Grimms own children as fodder for the stage.
Oh really? She really can't keep her nose out of things. :KEK: Then she was practically being a tsundere to node by pretending she DIDN'T want to go to wonderland. (of course i know its for the preservation of existence, but this conclusion is funnier)
it's not like im unwilling to accept that mary's the only one who can use spacetime abilities to that extent, but the narrative timeline doesn't make it fit.

GG was made entirely by mabel's suggestion, which came after bs2 wonderland started, because node was not in love with grimm from the start. Node called for mabel's help only after that and suggessted the plan of making grimm into a creator through GG to node. Node herself was quite shocked by the idea, to me it seems as if she had never actually thought of the idea, and since she would never ask for mabel's help until she actually loved grimm, which can only happen later, thus GG only existed later in the timeline. While TCO simply did the rewind job by itself until GG came in.
The only way i see it working is if mabel knew the existence of GG but thought it wasn't being used correctly, then she suggested of using GG to make grimm a creator. This doesn't sti right with me as Nodens is supposed to be wise, wise enough to oppose against Nyarla. Maybe she threw the plan out cause it wasn't feasible but i find the timeline that GG was created somewhere along the cycles, which were controlled by TCO in the beginning, who let GG exist because it made it made the game run smoother, and even ensured a safety net in its death that grimm would not be able to "ever" leave. This does explain TCO's actions better but doesn't answer the inconsistency. Unless we assume node loved grimm from the start and came to mabel from the start who then suggested using GG which was made at TCO suggestion because it was aware that Mary's power will be useful for the game, for the sake of making grimm a creator, then it'd fit completely, but i feel im taking a shit ton of leaps right now without evidence
 

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Yogs direct ties to the Tea Party or Nyarla for that connection is unclear. However Yog/Mabel being a mastermind of her own. I cant see it lending TCO actors for its garden-stage for any other reason. Especially with her own comment never expecting Grimm to beat her champions. It could be lending these 2 was her only connection or she also helped out with the stage. Its definitly vague but the thread is there.

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There is also the question of Prickett as she also has a red door leading to Mabel Chaos Dungeon. So them all working together by grafting Mary Sue power for a machine god is a shaky timeline thing.
I dont think TCO did rewind before GG. It just replaced/burned trough the human vessel actors & its in frenzy started running out of them (white space storage lore we get from ending G & our demon maid). Then Node, Prickett or Mabel presenting GG and its functions. SEN & The Gear Madness showcasing the decaying state of Wonderland. On top off things like most actors cant even shapeshift into proper human forms. So GG has to mentally manipulate Grimm to see them as humans.
At least i would assume thats how they presented it to TCO after a chunk of Outer Ones left due its madness & the rest of set pieces dying. Thats the impression i got after the Node fight telling us how they started using Grimms children as love partners.
The eyeball enemies also being a indicator that a lot of the set pieces are just shapeshifting TCOs flesh blobs. Almost running a one man show at this point of decay.


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Regarding Node. Thats a big what if buuuut: Noden as a Elder God by default is against the Outer Ones. If that translates to ingame Node being a unwilling henchwoman to TCO & only later her core motivation becomes supporting Grimm out of love. It would make sense if thats her initial motivation to work with Yog & Prickett. That also depends when she or anyone else for that matter noticed TCO decend into madness becoming a former shadow of itself.
But thats huge leap. Because i havents seen any evidence of Elder Gods being labeld or mentioned. Most of their crooked relationship comes from the Outer Ones being created by the Elder Gods & the Elder Gods getting backstabbed by them & either killed, sealed or enslaved by the them.

Yog can see past, present and future. But how that would tie into GG creation of or if its a actual inverse thing for the lore idk. Beyond her saying she knows Azathot will awaken if the all out war happens. If thats just a calculated guess based on evidence of the forces clashing or if its a future premonition power.
There is also the puppet GG instances to consider aka the 1-A, B C etc.
So if Mary Sue needed to create a "puppet" instance that will use the rewind in her stead after dying. Knowledge about that circumstance might have lead to the idear of GG by the others.
(Refering to puppet Alice from BS1 & the lore about the other puppet classifications being tied to GG)
 

Dima1999

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Hey, guys. I know the version of the game here is kinda supposed to be the final one, but there is something wrong with it. I downloaded this game from another website and found this:
Prickett's sprite in this version.
プリケット.png
And how its looks in other version of the game i found.
プリケット.png
Is this really final update here?
 

TheDennyGuy

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Hey, guys. I know the version of the game here is kinda supposed to be the final one, but there is something wrong with it. I downloaded this game from another website and found this:
Prickett's sprite in this version.
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And how its looks in other version of the game i found.
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Is this really final update here?
The version you got is probably the "censored" DLsite version, which among other things like sprite changes for characters like red-hood and I guess Prickett, replaces some soundtracks due to copyright issues I think, here's an example:

Pre-patch


Post-patch


The version you find here on F95 is the fan-translated final version before the soundtracks were changed, which does include all the DLCs so you won't be missing anything. People here prefer this version since it's more in-line with the creator's original vision.
 

Dima1999

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The version you got is probably the "censored" DLsite version, which among other things like sprite changes for characters like red-hood and I guess Prickett, replaces some soundtracks due to copyright issues I think, here's an example:

Pre-patch


Post-patch


The version you find here on F95 is the fan-translated final version before the soundtracks were changed, which does include all the DLCs so you won't be missing anything. People here prefer this version since it's more in-line with the creator's original vision.
Dunno about translation. I didn't noticed any differences in the text and all 3 dlc is also included, but new soundtrack is indeed kinda meh. So I decided to copypaste audio folder from this version.

I found it on anime-sharing if someone wondering.
 
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Noah Neim

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The version you got is probably the "censored" DLsite version, which among other things like sprite changes for characters like red-hood and I guess Prickett, replaces some soundtracks due to copyright issues I think, here's an example:

Pre-patch


Post-patch


The version you find here on F95 is the fan-translated final version before the soundtracks were changed, which does include all the DLCs so you won't be missing anything. People here prefer this version since it's more in-line with the creator's original vision.
holy fuck i never knew that, the patch version sounds creepy but it's so off beat :KEK:
 
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its been two years since i last checked this thread.So any news on his next game? Iirc he was going to make a game with RRH as a MC before doing a Black souls 3
 

Noah Neim

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I'm honestly fine with the new moon theme, I even prefer it but look at what they did to cheshire cat
Mahjong game menu music :KEK:


its been two years since i last checked this thread.So any news on his next game? Iirc he was going to make a game with RRH as a MC before doing a Black souls 3
T must make a billion cgs before he's satisfied with DRH :BootyTime:
 

Noah Neim

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The original 150 CG was already a big goal. But ever since Toro stopped counting & kept pushing the limit i wonder how much art we will get in the final version. In before its several gigs all for CGs.
I mean hopefully he doesn't lose himself in the CGs so much that he forgets about the other parts of the game. Also i wonder how much of those are gonna be porn. :unsure:
 

Noah Neim

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Honestly, I don't even need the porn. I would play his games even If they didn't have any.
I kinda agree, just made the question of of curiosity, is T wanted to develop normal games he'd still be as successful as long as he made more actual cgs
Bs1 and 2 severely lacked those, hopefully bs 3 does't.
 

Omnom88

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Also i wonder how much of those are gonna be porn
From the wording A LOT. If the devs claim come true that every assasino target target will have a H scene on top of side lewd interactions. One of the older blogposts has example scenes where Red is in missonary with a snowy background. That alone had 8 CG variants. Depending on how many targets are there to hunt down...yeah you get the gist.

From the other statements it seemingly all boils down to finishing the CGs to include them in the scenes & the base game is done besides bugtesting.
 

Noah Neim

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From the wording A LOT. If the devs claim come true that every assasin target target will have a H scene on top of side lewd interactions. One of the older blogposts has example scenes where Red is in missonary with a snowy background. That alone had 8 CG variants. Depending on how many targets are there to hunt down...yeah you get the gist.

From the other statements it seemingly all boils down to finishing the CGs to include them in the scenes & the base game is done besides bugtesting.
If a single scene has 8 variants than bro should just make a visual novel already :KEK:
I would kill for a bs dating simulator ngl :BootyTime:
Also damn red hood is one horny bitch, i guess you dont fuck dogs for nothing, unless those scenes are loss scenes like it is with most female protag games
 
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