OnlineRando

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I see that the urge to correct was strong enough that you didn't play the scene until the end. :D

The protagonist doesn't know much about guns, so he calls them clips until someone corrects him, and then he starts calling them magazines.
I know. It just reminded me of some drama from some time back, and I felt the urge to say that.

If anyone's curious, just search "mags not clips".
 

AnimeHentaiGamer

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just let you guys know. before you buy or consider buying on steam. this game is missing tags "Gay" and 1 of the developer doesn't want to call it "NTR" but your actually playing as a black hair guy, and the developer calls the "Villian" is the white hair guy you first play, and he's banging the girls you meet. calling them "side girls". now the developer means to say they won't fall in love with the villian but they are infact cheating on you. so the game should also have a "multiple protragnist" tag. since you not only play as the villian, whom i personally enjoyed playing as more, but the last i play you also play as a girl near the end of the spicy demo, whom is getting side action lesbian content. funny thing is when I talk to the twitter dev, he even agreed with me the game has NTR content and many fetishes that people will enjoy. however the one running the steam page is deleting threads if you talk about NTR, and they refuse to mention you play the villian, and another female, and there is gay content. so just a heads up. personally I'm skipping this game on steam, I normally buy and give positive review but the steam person is abit too crazy when coming to deleting threads. same reason i didn't buy the killing antidote.
 

Reefraf

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just let you guys know. before you buy or consider buying on steam.
Your topic has been deleted because it was turning into a pointless fight between people who want NTR and those who don't. The last thing our team has time for right now is moderating heated discussions that lead nowhere. Nonetheless, I undeleted it because the social manager jumped the gun on this one.

On the topic of NTR. Yes, there are sex scenes between side characters, but none of them is romanceable by the protagonist. No, there are no scenes between Love Interests and other characters. Nobody cheats on the MC throughout the whole game, so I don't think that tagging the game "NTR" would be accurate. I'm sure we could get a lot of traffic by tagging the game as NTR, because it's a very popular tag, but I think people who enjoy NTR would be pissed after playing the game.

Additionally, I'll say that it's not the best tactic to ask developers to add content and then, when you don't get it your way, start posting everywhere, telling people "to not buy the game." There was no ill will toward you, so I'm not sure why you're doing that.
 
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battali0n

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You'd be surprised at the mental gymnastics people go through in an attempt to prove that statement wrong
Here, I'll give it a shot *ahem*
"UH BRO? AMY??? THE MC HAS KISSED HER, THEREFORE HE HAS NOW BEEN RETROACTIVELY CUCKED BECAUSE OF THE SCENE AT THE BEGINNING. THIS IS GIGA TURBO NTR, AND I AM MAD"
All the guys that I know that don't like NTR don't want to see any LI's with another guy or girl ever. It doesn't matter if it was before they were with them or not.
That's why the two genre's are so diametrically opposed.
As a matter of fact they also don't want to see any sex scene that the Mc isn't part of.
This is probably the defining difference between a sex game and a visual novel, as a visual novel is usually meant for the player to self-insert and it's considered cuck behavior for the MC to want to see others having sex rather than him doing the deed himself.
Players want to know off the bat what the mentality of the creator is so that they can decide whether to invest their time and money into their art. The market has become so competitive that it is harder to get subs if you are not very clear and the thread can become a real mess.
 

Reefraf

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All the guys that I know that don't like NTR don't want to see any LI's with another guy or girl ever. It doesn't matter if it was before they were with them or not.
Amy isn't a LI. She is a side character who is in a relationship with someone else, but you can still have some optional scenes with her if you want.

None of the LIs has scenes with other people. All the LIs have very pure routes that focus on the romantic relationship between the MC and the girl. There are also more corruption-themed routes, but they still focus on the MC and LI. On top of that, there are side characters that you might optionally have sex with or see someone else have sex with, but none of them are in a relationship with you - those scenes often involve seduction, enthrallment, and so on.

Nonetheless, if you're absolutely 100% purist, you probably won't enjoy the game. It's a game about powerful, depraved vampires told from the perspective of a human. You'll see them corrupt, kill, and seduce other people. You will also see vampires that will try to lie to you, seduce you, and manipulate you only for personal gain. Of course, you can resist all of that, always be on top, and focus on a pure relationship with a girl of your choosing, but I don't think that the themes of the game are suitable for people who look for a lighthearted, pure love story. It's a game filled with life-or-death situations where monsters might badly beat you or your companions.

So, I'm not hiding anything or wanting to deceptively lure anyone to play our game. I just say it's not an NTR game. It's not a vanilla love story, either.

It's a love story focused on horror themes.
 
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Fer978

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You'd be surprised at the mental gymnastics people go through in an attempt to prove that statement wrong
Here, I'll give it a shot *ahem*
"UH BRO? AMY??? THE MC HAS KISSED HER, THEREFORE HE HAS NOW BEEN RETROACTIVELY CUCKED BECAUSE OF THE SCENE AT THE BEGINNING. THIS IS GIGA TURBO NTR, AND I AM MAD"
Everyone comes from their mother's vagina.
Therefore, everyone's first relationship has already been retroactively cucked.
QED

Look, I'm not a fan of NTR, but honestly, idiot being "noooo, it's not their first relationship, they've been cucked" is ridiculous. Like, how many people's first love was their only partner in their life? Very few.
 
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battali0n

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Everyone comes from their mother's vagina.
Therefore, everyone's first relationship has already been retroactively cucked.
QED

Look, I'm not a fan of NTR, but honestly, idiot being "noooo, it's not their first relationship, they've been cucked" is ridiculous. Like, how many people's first love was their only partner in their life? Very few.
It is considered TMI (Too much information) when a girl talks about her past sexual experiences and it makes the girl appear to be a slut or at the very least diminishes her value a s a Li. It's even worse when we have to see it.
I get that some guys are into sluts but the Vanilla harem crowd prefers virgins or at least girls that don't act slutty nor mention their past.
Like I said, we are talking about two diametrically opposed audiences. If we know what the creator intends then there is no discussion or arguments. The correct audience will play the VN and those that don't like such content will move on.
People like what they like and there is never any problem with a VN where it is clearly defined by the creator.
 

OnlineRando

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It is considered TMI (Too much information) when a girl talks about her past sexual experiences and it makes the girl appear to be a slut or at the very least diminishes her value a s a Li. It's even worse when we have to see it.
I get that some guys are into sluts but the Vanilla harem crowd prefers virgins or at least girls that don't act slutty nor mention their past.
Like I said, we are talking about two diametrically opposed audiences. If we know what the creator intends then there is no discussion or arguments. The correct audience will play the VN and those that don't like such content will move on.
People like what they like and there is never any problem with a VN where it is clearly defined by the creator.
How many times would someone need to say that Amy is not a love interest for you to understand?

Like if you wanna complain about seeing someone who isn't the protagonist having sex then sure, but at least stop saying it's about the so-called love interests, as she is not one.
 

battali0n

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How many times would someone need to say that Amy is not a love interest for you to understand?

Like if you wanna complain about seeing someone who isn't the protagonist having sex then sure, but at least stop saying it's about the so-called love interests, as she is not one.
Answer 1 question.
Can you have sex with her?
If you can then it is relevant.
If you can't then she is just wasted time and renders.

We've already determined that this VN is not suitable for the vanilla harem crowd. I have no problem with someone who like sluts.

for some reason you have taken this whole conversation way too personal. Go walk on some grass and relax.
 

OnlineRando

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Answer 1 question.
Can you have sex with her?
If you can then it is relevant.
If you can't then she is just wasted time and renders.

We've already determined that this VN is not suitable for the vanilla harem crowd. I have no problem with someone who like sluts.

for some reason you have taken this whole conversation way too personal. Go walk on some grass and relax.
How can you tell me, or anyone else for that matter, to touch grass with some of the things you've said?

You speak like every woman is nothing but your personal toy, and are not allowed to have personalities beyond that, and you can still unironically tell someone to touch grass?

And the worst part is that none of this even matters. This isn't NTR, as was clearly stated to you, regardless if you could have sex with her or not.

If you just don't like the game or wanna play a self-insert wish fulfillment, then you don't have to die on a hill that is wrong just to annoy some people on a porn website, just go do that instead.
 

Fer978

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Answer 1 question.
Can you have sex with her?
If you can then it is relevant.
If you can't then she is just wasted time and renders.

Beyond me disagreeing with your overall posture (but then, it is, as you say, a matter of preference, I do not mind having character written as if they could be real adult people, with their own will, motives and past that do not put the MC at their core and that are beyond just archetype in porn game), this one bother me.

You will certainly be able to choose whether or not the MC has sex with her, won't you? Unless it's a Pokemon game, you could just decide to "skip" her content. The game is very upfront, from the very first scene of the demo almost, that you'll see people other than the MC/self-insert possibility have sex with each other. It's not like the devs were hiding that at any point.

Also, a good story (which is what the devs seem to be aiming for) requires, among other things, an interesting supporting cast and from the start, the game seems to imply it wants to tell a story and not just be a collection of scene. That means, if you aim for a high level of quality, for assets and renderer created for characters that will not be fucked by the MC...
 
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Belgaesh

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To change the topic from this friendly exchange of views, I would like to inform you guys that the new update is up. Enjoy!

We also launched our Kickstarter:
I hope the Kickstarter goes well, I might even pledge a little. I am praying it gets far enough that we can get the FemMC.
 
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