Ren'Py Bobby's Memoirs of Depravity [v0.15.494] [ZipTieFun]

[Scotty1212]

Let me explain to you how patreon really works. Creators don't want a real job and look for ways to use their skills from home without much pressure. If you want this never ending stream of western amateurish porn games to continue you will stop demanding that developers have to release x amount of content every x days. This is what they could be doing in an office somewhere and with actual financial security to boot, but then they wouldn't make porn for you to enjoy.

This isn't really the case, mate... Many creators never finish their games, abandon and start new , then abandon, and start new... etc.
Both Patreon and Subscribestar, were created to allow small game developers to create, and i'm not talking here about porn games.
It takes everything, music, writing, painting, dance, then it started to deviate, to adult content, because, why not?

And there lies the problem:
Because you are betting on horny geeks, to support lewd contents no matter what. It ain't only fans bro...
People pay for contents. And some earn quite a lot of money, so they don't mind that $5 here or $10 there, or even $20.
Pocket money... But, take 200 supporters with $10 each and it is $2000. Serious money for some poorer countries.
Look what happened to Dr Bones and his "Manssion"... How many updates this games had or even how many artwork he posted in the last 12 months? One...

 

[Scotty1212]

So I should support the developer because if not, he'll find a well-paid job? You've got to be kidding.. There are a lot of parasites on patreon and other platforms who only prey on human naivety. Promising content and not keeping your word is an example of such parasitism. I know what kind of people they are and I know their mentality, they are just lazy people greedy for cheap money. Someone who approaches work professionally keeps their word both in their career path and by creating games on patreon as a hobby. I know such creators and I can support them with a clear conscience because I will receive the content on the appointed date.

Absolutely! 100%

 

[Scotty1212]

That just increases the amount of new projects which also increases the number of good projects. No one loses. People who support creators on patreon have disposable income and understand that they are not promised anything. They are merely trying to increase the chances of the creator not finding a real job or trying something new.

It's called tiers, or goals. If he meets $1000, will spend more time on the game. $2000 will quit his job and only create the game. etc...
But it's not working. Creators taking the money and not working on the game, just drinking, snoring coke and fucking hot sexy whores $1000 a nigt. Yep. This happened to the Big Brother creator... Happened to Day Z creator... Money corrupt, big money corrupt big.

 

[tarzan999]

This isn't really the case, mate... Many creators never finish their games, abandon and start new , then abandon, and start new... etc.
Both Patreon and Subscribestar, were created to allow small game developers to create, and i'm not talking here about porn games.
It takes everything, music, writing, painting, dance, then it started to deviate, to adult content, because, why not?

And there lies the problem:
Because you are betting on horny geeks, to support lewd contents no matter what. It ain't only fans bro...
People pay for contents. And some earn quite a lot of money, so they don't mind that $5 here or $10 there, or even $20.
Pocket money... But, take 200 supporters with $10 each and it is $2000. Serious money for some poorer countries.
Look what happened to Dr Bones and his "Manssion"... How many updates this games had or even how many artwork he posted in the last 12 months? One...

This is actually 100% the case.

There is no problem. Developers choose to make a patreon account and people choose to support them without being promised anything. That's how this whole thing works. If patreon was a real job there wouldn't be nearly as many porn creators so you should stop complaining. Your favorite and least favorite games exist because people support the developer blindly. It's what patreon is. It's not a job.

So I should support the developer because if not, he'll find a well-paid job? You've got to be kidding.. There are a lot of parasites on patreon and other platforms who only prey on human naivety. Promising content and not keeping your word is an example of such parasitism. I know what kind of people they are and I know their mentality, they are just lazy people greedy for cheap money. Someone who approaches work professionally keeps their word both in their career path and by creating games on patreon as a hobby. I know such creators and I can support them with a clear conscience because I will receive the content on the appointed date.

Stop writing fan fiction. You are free to do whatever you want. Just like the people who support creators like zip. You should be grateful to them tho because without them people like zip wouldn't work on porn games. Of course they are lazy people. That's why they make money on patreon from their homes without deadlines instead of working in an office.

Absolutely! 100%

It's absolutely... incorrect.

It's called tiers, or goals. If he meets $1000, will spend more time on the game. $2000 will quit his job and only create the game. etc...
But it's not working. Creators taking the money and not working on the game, just drinking, snoring coke and fucking hot sexy whores $1000 a nigt. Yep. This happened to the Big Brother creator... Happened to Day Z creator... Money corrupt, big money corrupt big.

Again you are confusing patreon with a job. Patreon is not a job and if it was most developers of porn games wouldn't be using it. They wouldn't be making porn from the comfort of their own homes without any deadlines. Or they would simply switch to subscribestar so they can continue to not have real jobs.


Both of you lack common sense. Stop bitching abouit creators like zip and rainces receiving support. It only increases the chances of more updates. No one loses.

 

[Sid01]

Stop writing fan fiction. You are free to do whatever you want. Just like the people who support creators like zip. You should be grateful to them tho because without them people like zip wouldn't work on porn games. Of course they are lazy people. That's why they make money on patreon from their homes without deadlines instead of working in an office.

Heh, someone here explained to me for a long time that Zip makes the game for free and went to Patreon at the urging of people from the forum.. so how is it? can you make a game without Patreon or not?

Zip is probably working like an ox in a warehouse somewhere because he's clearly not a programmer..

 

[Sid01]

Both of you lack common sense. Stop bitching abouit creators like zip and rainces receiving support. It only increases the chances of more updates. No one loses.

You are wrong. People are losing money and nerves waiting for promised updates. That is why I advise to wait patiently and NOT SUPPORT financially.

 

[Sid01]

I am correct. The people who are losing money and are unhappy about zip can always just stop. They don't owe him anything and he doesn't owe them anything. Patreon is not a job.

And the people losing money, but keeping quiet obviolsy have a lot of disposable income and choose to spend some of it on this project to increase the chances of more updates.

It's really not hard to figure all of this out. You just need to use common sense.

Wonderful. But why are you writing all this and encouraging financial support? Someone is paying you for this? People should be made aware that there are creators who are worth supporting financially and there are those who are not. Zip belongs to the latter group.

 

[Sid01]

Because I am not a moron. I want developers of games I like to receive monetary support so there is chance that when they wake up they will spend at least a few hours per day working on an update instead of looking for a real job or getting into crypto or whatever.

You may not be an idiot but you are certainly very naive. The most optimistic news in Zip's case is that he doesn't have time to create a game because he is too busy. I have an idea. Write to him and cover his salary for a month. If he spends anything because of this I will admit you are right, ok?

 

[Sid01]

I am the opposite of naive. I know what patreon is. You don't. You and that other guy are living in a fantasy land in which patreon is a job, but no one is acting like it. Meanwhile in reality patreon is not a job and only a loud minority of annoying users like you really want to pretend that it is in some misguided effort to increase productivity. If patreon was a real job THE CREATORS WHO USE PATREON BECAUSE IT'S NOT A JOB WILL STOP USING IT.

Let's start with the fact that Patreon itself has already kicked Zip and Raince for inappropriate content, so you probably don't know Patreon that well or you're not up to date. That's one. Two. I never said that Patreon is a job, but just like in a job, you have to keep your promises to be reliable. Unreliable people probably don't deserve financial support? Do you agree with me or not?

 

[Sid01]

Patreon removing certain accounts for content they deem inappropriate for their platform has 0 to do with any of the points we have discussed right now. I have no idea why you brought that up. It doesn't change what patreon is. It only changes the content genre. Not how the content is delivered.

And it's up to his supporters to decide if they will continue supporting him. It has 0 to do with me and you.

It's because Patreon itself decided that this dev shouldn't be supported financially and you keep pushing your own agenda

 

[Sid01]

Patreon makes money from this. They would only remove his content if it risked their reputation. Incest loli rape content can harm them. Zip taking a few months to release an update only makes them money.

And you called me naive. You are just dim.

Yes, I'm dumb because I don't fund creators who don't regularly release updates and don't keep their word. But you say Patreon isn't work but creators need to be paid..

 

[bananana73]

Easy money, fools!!!

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$1269 / month from this.

I mean, it's nothing compared to the $40k/month or whatever ridiculous amount it's up to now for some of the most popular games, but it's definitely not bad for <1 update per year

 

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No update?

 

[Sid01]

I am not calling you dumb because you don't support x creator. I am calling you dumb for thinking that less support will lead to more updates. Patreon is not a job. It's a way for creators to make money without having to find a real job. That's why you shouldn't expect regular updates.

Nonsense. You're drawing the wrong conclusions. Not funding the creator won't speed up the update, nor will funding. Most creators complete their projects according to their time, not their patreon revenue. That's how honest creators who have their own jobs work. Your absurd assumption is to support those who want to live off patreon and do nothing, expect nothing from them. Damn it, you want to be supported, you have to earn it. This is normal competition where artists who stand out, have some interesting idea and are hard-working are funded, not mediocre ones who can't properly manage their time. Should I throw to Zip's can out of pity, so maybe he'll discover an artist in himself, not a laborer? No, it won't change anything. Think about it.

 

[Qalx]

I am not calling you dumb because you don't support x creator. I am calling you dumb for thinking that less support will lead to more updates. Patreon is not a job. It's a way for creators to make money without having to find a real job. That's why you shouldn't expect regular updates.

”It's a way for creators to make money without having to find a real job.”- that's the dumbest conclusion ever. No smart person would leave a job, a stable job for Patreon earnings. The actual money they make might be from selling the product, but not on Patreon, which is more of a form of support. So they have no interest in delaying the completion of the product indefinitely. The likes of RAI and Zip are not independent game creators, they have jobs and those are perhaps the most important occupations for them (besides family, home, etc). that's why there are long periods when they give up doing anything for the games they work on, even though they can apparently have significant earnings from the games.

 

[Hollow]

Nonsense. You're drawing the wrong conclusions. Not funding the creator won't speed up the update, nor will funding. Most creators complete their projects according to their time, not their patreon revenue. That's how honest creators who have their own jobs work. Your absurd assumption is to support those who want to live off patreon and do nothing, expect nothing from them. Damn it, you want to be supported, you have to earn it. This is normal competition where artists who stand out, have some interesting idea and are hard-working are funded, not mediocre ones who can't properly manage their time. Should I throw to Zip's can out of pity, so maybe he'll discover an artist in himself, not a laborer? No, it won't change anything. Think about it.

ok its seems some ppl dont get it how much time it takes to make games when ure not professional programmer or daz artist

so let me explain it to u as my friend is making game in free time and doing like 40-60 h on game in month so we told him to get patreon up so that he could make some money at first he told that he sucks so he will continue to develop game as hobby for some of his friends .But after some time he checked out how much ppl on average make on patreon and he told us that its just will be just headache to do it as most average creators get like 1k and some % will take patreon and then u need to pay ure taxes so in my country from 1 k he would make 500


and then ppl like u will bitch as u wont be able to play game

 

[tarzan999]

”It's a way for creators to make money without having to find a real job.”- that's the dumbest conclusion ever. No smart person would leave a job, a stable job for Patreon earnings. The actual money they make might be from selling the product, but not on Patreon, which is more of a form of support. So they have no interest in delaying the completion of the product indefinitely. The likes of RAI and Zip are not independent game creators, they have jobs and those are perhaps the most important occupations for them (besides family, home, etc). that's why there are long periods when they give up doing anything for the games they work on, even though they can apparently have significant earnings from the games.

You are projecting. It's actually stupid of you to think that humans behave this way. It doesn't matter if this is the sole source of income or a secondary income. It's not a real job. The creator and the supporters don't sign any contracts and they don't owe anything to anyone. I already explained all of this to you in previous posts in greater detail.

 

[tarzan999]

ok its seems some ppl dont get it how much time it takes to make games when ure not professional programmer or daz artist

so let me explain it to u as my friend is making game in free time and doing like 40-60 h on game in month so we told him to get patreon up so that he could make some money at first he told that he sucks so he will continue to develop game as hobby for some of his friends .But after some time he checked out how much ppl on average make on patreon and he told us that its just will be just headache to do it as most average creators get like 1k and some % will take patreon and then u need to pay ure taxes so in my country from 1 k he would make 500


and then ppl like u will bitch as u wont be able to play game

If patreon was a real job the creator would have to find a way to release content in a timely manner to not get fired. Either streamline the project scope, ask for help(which costs money) or even quit. But because patreon is not a job the creator can afford to work as much or as little as he wants as long as he has enough support. People smart and successful enough to have enough disposable income to support their favorite games realize this, but users like Qalx don't.

 

[Scotty1212]

Bro if you want to look at thar perspective " The EU law " this game against all laws lol

So how's come, adult games are distributed through Steam platform? LOL

 

[devonY7]

So how's come, adult games are distributed through Steam platform? LOL

many games on steam are not available in certain regions iirc .