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Sid01

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The theory that it is the same person is, in my opinion, more likely than the fact that they are delaying each other in releasing the game. Either way, we will soon find out based on the content and size of the content.
 

edgaia

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Even a child can tell the difference in their style of writing, scripting, render style, art and the way they talk when they communicate with fans... take your stupid ass conspiracy bullshit elsewhere.
Pode até não ser ser mas...

# Yeah that's how aliases/personas work... Can you tell American Psycho is Zip...? You can't, can you...? :ROFLMAO: Just kidding. But Zip and RA share a lot of idiosyncrasies. Just saying...
 
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Be specific please, how are they different?
Literally just explained how they are different but I'll make it even simpler for the reading impaired...

Writing= they use different sentence composition and a notably different flow, consistently. Anyone who has ever written knows how difficult it is to convincingly duplicate the word choices, breaks and descriptive language of another author.

Scripting= When it comes to coding/scripting a program the differences in style are even more apparent than writing dialogues, again something that anyone with a modicum of programming experience will notice.

Render Style= There are glaring differences in the way these two not only frame, light and pose the characters in these games but even the way they are sequenced and paced immediately stands out as the work of two different individuals. Doubt it then I challenge you to pick any high tier 3d artist's image on this board and try to duplicate it and fool someone into thinking it was done by that artist. You simply can't. RA's lighting is just a step above Zip's while Zip is a touch better at camera angles, and the choices of facial expressions are noticeably different with Zip using mixed dials while RA tends to rely on one click expressions straight out of the box.
 

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Literally just explained how they are different but I'll make it even simpler for the reading impaired...

Writing= they use different sentence composition and a notably different flow, consistently. Anyone who has ever written knows how difficult it is to convincingly duplicate the word choices, breaks and descriptive language of another author.

Scripting= When it comes to coding/scripting a program the differences in style are even more apparent than writing dialogues, again something that anyone with a modicum of programming experience will notice.

Render Style= There are glaring differences in the way these two not only frame, light and pose the characters in these games but even the way they are sequenced and paced immediately stands out as the work of two different individuals. Doubt it then I challenge you to pick any high tier 3d artist's image on this board and try to duplicate it and fool someone into thinking it was done by that artist. You simply can't. RA's lighting is just a step above Zip's while Zip is a touch better at camera angles, and the choices of facial expressions are noticeably different with Zip using mixed dials while RA tends to rely on one click expressions straight out of the box.
É uma boa exposição mas tb vês as semelhanças...

# Your explanation is quite sound, I'll give you that. You clearly see/looked for the differences. But you can easily spot the similarities/overlaps as well if you want to... ( dragging/milking/lying/teasing; shared assets, scenes and renders; same weak english skills; Zip driving patrons to RA; Zip announcing and waiting for RA's comeback...)
 
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É uma boa exposição mas tb vês as semelhanças...

# Your explanation is quite sound, I'll give you that. You clearly see/looked for the differences. But you can easily spot the similarities/overlaps as well if you want to... ( dragging/milking/lying/teasing; shared assets, scenes and renders; same weak english skills; Zip driving patrons to RA; Zip announcing and waiting for RA's comeback...)
Each of the assets are readily available, they are all assets that have been shared dozens of times on pirate sites (from Renderstate, 3Dload and even here on F95) as well as stock poses from often shared pose packs from vendors like Zeddicus, ATGL (which the dragging poses are from) ect (which also have been posted dozens of times across several pirate sites). Bobby's bedroom for example has appeared in at least 3 dozen games I've seen simply because it is not only not very memory intensive but has been uploaded on at least a dozen pirate sites (heck I even have it in my Daz3d environments folder). Even the characters are stock models which have been uploaded everywhere and have been used in dozens of games (one distinct difference is the scaling of the Bobby Character is slightly different in Zip's game than that used by RA, it's subtle but noticeable).
 
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É uma boa exposição mas tb vês as semelhanças...

# Your explanation is quite sound, I'll give you that. You clearly see/looked for the differences. But you can easily spot the similarities/overlaps as well if you want to... ( dragging/milking/lying/teasing; shared assets, scenes and renders; same weak english skills; Zip driving patrons to RA; Zip announcing and waiting for RA's comeback...)
I get what you're saying. And I understand the suspicion. Lots of people agree with you.

But if you were using someone else's Intellectual Property with their blessing wouldn't you feel grateful to them? Support them and help them continue to build?

I've played both games and seen the code for both. Unless it's a highly elaborate plot, I don't think they are the same person.
It's like when you read a book from 2 different Writers. There are notable differences. Even if the 2nd writer was inspired by the first Writer.

Take Lord of the Rings ( J.R.R. Tolkien ) And A Song of Ice and Fire (George R.R. Martin)
The 2nd writer was inspired by the first. But you would never think it's the same person even if you didn't know who the authors were.

Anyone can get BBS assets. There's an entire post on this website dedicated to them 100% free.

https://f95zone.to/threads/fan-art-and-assets-for-bad-bobby-saga.27860/post-1860499
 

edgaia

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Each of the assets are readily available, they are all assets that have been shared dozens of times on pirate sites (from Renderstate, 3Dload and even here on F95) as well as stock poses from often shared pose packs from vendors like Zeddicus, ATGL (which the dragging poses are from) ect (which also have been posted dozens of times across several pirate sites). Bobby's bedroom for example has appeared in at least 3 dozen games I've seen simply because it is not only not very memory intensive but has been uploaded on at least a dozen pirate sites (heck I even have it in my Daz3d environments folder). Even the characters are stock models which have been uploaded everywhere and have been used in dozens of games (one distinct difference is the scaling of the Bobby Character is slightly different in Zip's game than that used by RA, it's subtle but noticeable).
Não foi isso o que eu disse...

# That's not what I meant. Zip posted print screens of original RA scenes that "he helped creating/worked on" (right... ). Same assets files as RA? Probably. No point doing it any different. And he hasn't run into any kind of dispute/"copyright" issues while creating this mod for years using RA's old renders ( which he eventually replaced with his own ). Why would he... ? :D
 
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edgaia

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I get what you're saying. And I understand the suspicion. Lots of people agree with you.

But if you were using someone else's Intellectual Property with their blessing wouldn't you feel grateful to them? Support them and help them continue to build?

I've played both games and seen the code for both. Unless it's a highly elaborate plot, I don't think they are the same person.
It's like when you read a book from 2 different Writers. There are notable differences. Even if the 2nd writer was inspired by the first Writer.

Take Lord of the Rings ( J.R.R. Tolkien ) And A Song of Ice and Fire (George R.R. Martin)
The 2nd writer was inspired by the first. But you would never think it's the same person even if you didn't know who the authors were.

Anyone can get BBS assets. There's an entire post on this website dedicated to them 100% free.

https://f95zone.to/threads/fan-art-and-assets-for-bad-bobby-saga.27860/post-1860499
Sim eu percebo mas fica sempre a pulga atrás da orelha...

# yeah, I get that and I agree it makes a lot of sense. But I can easily see it the other way around too... And many times it feels it could easily be true. It's just a wild guess, just for fun... But I mean it. :ROFLMAO:
 
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edgaia

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lol if I was Zip I'd have no problem calling you an idiot.
I wouldn't have to make up a second account to make you look dumb.

You do that all on your own.
O menino está com soninho...? :ROFLMAO:

# Time for bed? Well then. Nighty night :ROFLMAO:
 
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The theory that it is the same person is, in my opinion, more likely than the fact that they are delaying each other in releasing the game. Either way, we will soon find out based on the content and size of the content.
I don't think either is the case. My guess is they have real lives (and possibly, jobs) outside of porn game development. :D
 

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É uma boa exposição mas tb vês as semelhanças...

# Your explanation is quite sound, I'll give you that. You clearly see/looked for the differences. But you can easily spot the similarities/overlaps as well if you want to... ( dragging/milking/lying/teasing; shared assets, scenes and renders; same weak english skills; Zip driving patrons to RA; Zip announcing and waiting for RA's comeback...)
You should also measure how much ZIP from the original BBS is copied and start talking about these "similarities". "Zip announcing ..."-what? Zip was surprised (or even more surprised) at the appearance of the summer demo! He did not know beforehand, it may have seemed to you because he probably saw in the discord and wrote here afterwards, but that was long after Rai's announcement on the discord
 
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edgaia

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You should also measure how much ZIP from the original BBS is copied and start talking about these "similarities". "Zip announcing ..."-what? Zip was surprised (or even more surprised) at the appearance of the summer demo! He did not know beforehand, it may have seemed to you because he probably saw in the discord and wrote here afterwards, but that was long after Rai's announcement on the discord
Não é esse anuncio...

# Not that announcement (demo), the latest one (a few weeks ago - Zip). As I said before, I get the differences ( keeping in mind he could fake it all to maximize his passive income - multiples aliases, multiple streams - too farfetched? :ROFLMAO: ). From that point of view I accept it's quite unlikely. But again, the similarities/overlaps are there too and they are way more appealing to me, just for the sake of fun, specially in those times it feels we've been through this before... It's just horseplay while we wait for the update... But I do mean it. :ROFLMAO:
 
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Sid01

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someone is an optimist thinking that we will soon have both updates :D
I stopped being optimistic about a month after the last update :) Taking into account the release cycle of this dev, I bet that the update will be this month (next update in early autumn :unsure:) As for RAince, I don't know because I'm not interested in his content
 
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